Russ_16v's ITB'd & Caged 182 Track Car (Was Crispy's)

[chrispy.clio]

Whats central on the dash? A plug in heater?

Yes its just a little heater, but its for demisting the windscreen. I dont actually think i need it though as theres enough air flow though the car not to mist up the screen when its raining!


Oulton on the 25th of June?

 

[Tony Hunter]

What rear toe are you running?

 

[daveski]

Love this car, its good to see it getting used again.

 

[chrispy.clio]

What rear toe are you running?

I have the cheepo set up at the rear.

So i have 2 small washers to give me about -3.0 camber and then what ever the standard toe is! i assume your going to say run some toe out?

 

[Tony Hunter]

 

[trackdayvalver]

Any thoughts on how i can get rid of some of the high speed understeer?

lift the back ride hight a bit and soften the front damping off a bit. what settings do you run the car at? (eg toe and camber on front?)

 

[chrispy.clio]

Front Camber = -3.45
Front Toe = 0.40 (toe out)
Tyre Pressure = 30psi (hot)

Rear Camber = 3.0 Roughly
Rear Toe = not sure, a little toe in though
Tyre Pressure = 30psi (hot)


Suspension is AST sportline 2's (race set up)

About half way on the damping settings
Fully soft on the rear


The ride height is allready quite high compaired to a lot of clios! I didnt get chance to play with the damper settings on the last trackday so i will have a play with them next time!

 

[Martin.]

Keep the updates coming mate, I'm sure everyone wants to see.

How much does the car weigh in at now?

 

[chrispy.clio]

Well Oulton Park does have a weigh bridge but i totally forgot to take it there! I've allways aimed for 800kg but i suspect it might be a little heavier!

The Ultraleggers + Slicks are 20kg lighter than my F1's and r888's.

 

[Martin.]

Seriously impressive if it is as low as that mate. Good skills

 

[MG cup]

Car is going good in the vids, were you running slicks there?

As has been said, heighten the rear or lower the front to get the weight over the front wheels. Not quite the same level but the principle is there, I have just built a road car with cup shocks, sportlines and RARB. The car sits with some rake and the rear is obviously stiffer than the front roll resistance wise and what a good handling car it is. It always sticks with me that Fred said have the rear hard and the front soft and it works perfect.

 

[chrispy.clio]

Thanks the car was going quite well at oulton, I was using R888's in the videos. Not used my slicks yet!

The car handles very well but its when i'm going really fast round the corners it understeers a little and i'l like it to be a bit more aggressive on the turn in! I will try one thing at a time i recon. So i'll stiffen up the rear AST's and see if that helps!

 

[domsclio182]

Love this car, very cool.

 

[sonny172cup]

The Ultraleggers + Slicks are 20kg lighter than my F1's and r888's.

Bloody hell thats some weight saving, thought the F1s was light!!! The unsprung weight will make that so much faster as you know.

 

[Cup_Phil]

That's properly quick in the video - fair play

I'm not sure I'd be happy running without a speedo and rev counter - you not thought about just wiring a simple stack dial in ?

 

[NorthloopCup]

Try some toe out on the rear if you really want it to turn in better!! I have run shims on the back of mine to put a very small amount of toe out on mine and the results speak for themselves! You look like some kind of drift hero as well! Lol!

From the factory they run quite a lot of toe in. Even a small reduction in this improves them.

 

[Vicky.]

Seems like you're having a lot of fun with it! Looks great .

 

[Cup_Phil]

Try some toe out on the rear if you really want it to turn in better!! I have run shims on the back of mine to put a very small amount of toe out on mine and the results speak for themselves! You look like some kind of drift hero as well! Lol!

From the factory they run quite a lot of toe in. Even a small reduction in this improves them.

That's quite interesting - I have some toe shims from K-Tec I was going to try on the rear but they're cheap plastic things and wasn't sure if they'd make much difference

 

[Cro]

Love it mate, coming along really really well. How are you finding looking down and not seeing a rev counter or speedo?

 

[Tony Hunter]

That's quite interesting - I have some toe shims from K-Tec I was going to try on the rear but they're cheap plastic things and wasn't sure if they'd make much difference

yes they do, thats why I asked. Even parrallel it would be better. But what do I know.

 

[Jay Payne]

I'm not sure I'd be happy running without a speedo and rev counter - you not thought about just wiring a simple stack dial in ?

Why would he need a speedo? :S

 

[Tony Hunter]

TBQH, the last thing I would want is a speedo.

 

[rdoxenham]

I might have missed this in this 92 page thread, but wondering whether you still have the key, immobiliser etc?

If not, how have you got around this? Thanks... great thread btw

 

[NorthloopCup]

That's quite interesting - I have some toe shims from K-Tec I was going to try on the rear but they're cheap plastic things and wasn't sure if they'd make much difference

Throw them in the bin and buy some pms ones. Far superior.

 

[chrispy.clio]

That's properly quick in the video - fair play

I'm not sure I'd be happy running without a speedo and rev counter - you not thought about just wiring a simple stack dial in ?

Love it mate, coming along really really well. How are you finding looking down and not seeing a rev counter or speedo?

Why would he need a speedo? :S

TBQH, the last thing I would want is a speedo.

Yeah i'm not bothered about a speedo.

I have a Blue LED in the middle of my "Dash" which i was going to use as a shift light but never got round to wiring it in.

But TBH i have just got used to the sound of the engine to change gear. I didnt hit the limiter once at Oulton and its not like i was been driving like an old man. Allthough some old men do drive fast don't they Tony

 

[chrispy.clio]

I might have missed this in this 92 page thread, but wondering whether you still have the key, immobiliser etc?

If not, how have you got around this? Thanks... great thread btw

I threw away all the wiring. And i made a new Engine loom and Interior loom. So no key or Immobiliser!

 

[rdoxenham]

I threw away all the wiring. And i made a new Engine loom and Interior loom. So no key or Immobiliser!

Wow, impressive... would love to do the same! I've just heard plenty of horror stories about people trimming down looms etc.

 

[chrispy.clio]

Wow, impressive... would love to do the same! I've just heard plenty of horror stories about people trimming down looms etc.

Lol, i was one of those Horror Stories!! Hence then building my own looms

 

[Slammed172]

Awesome, love this project/car.

 

[Jay Payne]

Lol, i was one of those Horror Stories!! Hence then building my own looms

best way, if its not seeing the road theres no need for most of it

 

[rdoxenham]

best way, if its not seeing the road theres no need for most of it

Completely agree... and this is the direction I'm going with my car. As I'm useless with electrics, I'd ideally need to pay an electrician to do this... any idea of the cost of the materials and the labor time?

 

[Jay Payne]

Lots and lots.

 

[Tony Hunter]

And more lot's.

 

[chrispy.clio]

Understeer!!!!! What Understeer?????

So these are 1.0deg camber shims which i will use on the rear to give me some toe out! Hopefully this will improve my turn in



On another note, friday i get the car its wash after its trackday at Oulton Park a few weeks ago and started to give the car the once over to check everything. Upon looking at how much brake pad was left i noticed they had crumbled away on the inside pads!!! So i had to remove them for further inspection.

So as you can see they have fully had it! So i will be looking to replace them. I want a fully race brake pad and may go for Performance Friction or maybe another set of CL's

The discs are worn a little funny too so i might have to replace them too

​Money Money Money!

 

[Russ_16v]

Pffft, plenty of life left in them!

 

[sonny172cup]

What pads are they? CLs? if so I have heard a few ppl say that theirs have crumbled/cracked.

 

[Jay Payne]

You should replace discs anyway if changing pad compound

 

[Fred@BTM]

What pads are they? CLs? if so I have heard a few ppl say that theirs have crumbled/cracked.

and people say i make it up!

 

[dmallett]

How many washers did you add to get the rear camber? Thinking of doing it to mine but want less camber.

 

[chrispy.clio]

There was plenty of life left on the outer pads but the inside ones had crumbled away!

They have served me pretty well to be honest.

Two Bedford Autodrome trackdays
Castle Combe
Quite a few laps of the Nurburgring
Oulton Park
8000 Road miles

But it still they shouldnt fall apart!

I will buy a new set of pads and a set of Brembo HC's this time as i really dont need the Max's


Dmallett, i just put a 1mm think washer in the bottom iirc. but i will be using these shims for Toe out.