Trophy, 182 and 172! Whats the crack??

[dangle172]

I was on a clio meet earlier this year and there was a lot of fast driving going on (without braking the speed limit may i add;o). There was 182's, a trophy and some 172 including mine and there wasn't one of us that was any faster than the other. i can understand this between the 172 and 182 but i expected the trophy to be fastest there considering EVO placed it the 7th best drivers car ever!! What exactly has the trophy got that the other 2 haven't??
Technically whats the difference

 

[Revels]

Uh oh.

 

[172Ben]

 

[dangle172]

Do i sense a big can of worms opening?

 

[TimR26]

Loads of threads on this.

 

[Bazzon]

IN

 

[MikeLYR27]

:banghead:

 

[Fletcher]

Hi

 

[Lee-182]

 

[Will.]

They are just worth it. Thats all you need to know

 

[DannoTheGreat]

face palm

 

[maz172cup]

limited production
Last of the line
bucket seats
Sash suspension
V6 spoiler
gun metel grey turinis

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

Can a Trophy spec please be made a sticky so we don't have this everyday?

 

[Cooksport]

faided

Edit: oops i mean Faded

 

[DrR]

Simple, drivers car does not mean it's the fastest, and i'm pretty sure 99% of people on here couldn't drive any of the RS range anywhere near it's full potential.

 

[kev182cup]

Speak for yourself I can drive mine to and beyond the limits. Ask any1 from the norf east crew if ya doubt that.

 

[DrR]

Speak for yourself I can drive mine to and beyond the limits. Ask any1 from the norf east crew if ya doubt that.

Are you taking the piss or being serious?


I need some driving skill proof then please.

 

[Jamie]

I've had a 172 and now the Trophy. The Trophy is much more planted and simply much better in the go round corners department. It's difficult comparing the cars on a meet as you cannot really extropolate any real differences, I sure don't push that hard unless it's somewhere I know and willing to take that risk. However, I have found huge, huge differences in them. The only similarity is straight line pace. Before I got a Trophy I was one of the doubters saying there cannot be that much in it.

 

[dangle172]

Im not saying that its about speed because quite clearly its not. I was just asking what the technical difference was. Ie: someone mentioned sash suspension??. Its pretty obvious that there a better looking car with better seats and a fatter spoiler and there in limited numbers and that non of that is the reasoning behind getting to 7th in the drivability chart. I was wondering what makes it a better drive than the 172 and 182.

 

[young_lew]

Im not saying that its about speed because quite clearly its not. I was just asking what the technical difference was. Ie: someone mentioned sash suspension??. Its pretty obvious that there a better looking car with better seats and a fatter spoiler and there in limited numbers and that non of that is the reasoning behind getting to 7th in the drivability chart. I was wondering what makes it a better drive than the 172 and 182.

You pointed it out yourself

Having the Sachs suspension is enough to put it over the rest, otherwise like you say the differences are minor

 

[Jamie]

Just the suspension lad. That's it. As an out of the box car it's stunning. The damping is firm but easily bareable as everyday driving. The way it goes around corners and feels so planted and inspires confidence makes you grin ear to ear.

 

[dangle172]

And it makes all the difference? I take its a whole different set-up suspension wise? Not just like coil-overs?

 

[dangle172]

Just the suspension lad. That's it. As an out of the box car it's stunning. The damping is firm but easily bearable as everyday driving. The way it goes around corners and feels so planted and inspires confidence makes you grin ear to ear.

I do think they look fantastic and if my 172 makes me feel like that as it is, then the trophy must be a wet dream!

 

[kev182cup]

Are you taking the p**s or being serious?


I need some driving skill proof then please.

In what way exactly. You'll just have to see if any1 from my way pipes up. I ain't gonna put vids up of me driving like a t**t am I. Lol

 

[Jamie]

I'm not massively up on the differences tbh, however I think the Trophy has (over the 172) a wider track, wider alloys, sachs suspension. People say a well set up 172 or 182 on coilovers would bridge the gap but I'm dubious. One lad on here when I was considering getting a Trophy or modding the 172 PM'd me to tell me not bothering upgrading the 172 and just get the T. This bloke does a fair bit of racing to. I myself just couldn't see a set of £1k or even £800 coilovers coming close to a custom Renault tried and tested set up. But that might be my own prejudices.

 

[dangle172]

Your probably right tbh. I suppose Renault have pumped 1000's into developing it.

 

[Jamie]

It's a shame you're so far away as I'd take you out in mine. I mean, if you're really interested in them go to a local dealer if they have one and spurn some s**t that you are going to get one. 10 minutes in the drivers seat on a test pilot and you'll know all the differences you need to.

Like I say, I was a doubter before getting mine. Matwills was always saying try one they're like a different car blah blah, and the guy was dead right despite me telling him to do one a few times. Cheers mat.

 

[dangle172]

To be honest im debating getting one. The thing is with the new clio getting better im not sure how long it will be before they start getting a little dated. And finding one with low miles. Im very picky!

 

[kev182cup]

Have you ever tried a 182 or 172 cup jamie? I've drove a trophy abit and I did like the suspension but I found abit of the adjustability had gone, obviously not every1 likes that loose feeling and the stronger grip does show in the trophy. Just something I noticed.

 

[Sash]

limited production
Last of the line
bucket seats
Sash suspension
V6 spoiler
gun metel grey turinis

 

[Jamie]

I've not driven a 182 (with or without cup packs) but have had a go in a Cup. I know what you mean when you say the "loose" feeling in the 172. I didn't like that too much tbh. You could drive through that feeling but it felt a little edgy as though it was on the limit and would understeer imo. It's the opposite with the Trophy grips and grips and when it is on the edge, it is. Not as though you can go beyond that. Well, I haven't tried that as you're usually going very quick.

I'm not sure what you mean about the adjustability though? What do you mean it had gone?

 

[kev182cup]

When you can adjust the balance of the car with the brakes getting the back end to come out just slightly into corners. You can do it more in a 172 cup my 182 has alot more grip so isn't as loose but similar effect.

Example that you can try so ya understand. In dry. lol drive into a round about and lift off, in a trophy it will just stick in a 172 or standard 182 the back end will go light so you can change your line and helps carry more speed.

 

[maz172cup]

I'm not massively up on the differences tbh, however I think the Trophy has (over the 172) a wider track, wider alloys, sachs suspension. People say a well set up 172 couldn't see a set of £1k or even £800 coilovers coming close to a custom Renault tried and tested set up.

Trophy still sits too high for my liking, and the chances of u taking the suspension to its limits is pretty slim. If u got 7k to play with buy a 172 cup add a £4k- supercharger, H&R coilovers, decent brakes and tyres., the handling will be more then satisfing for wat ur gonna do on the road

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

When you can adjust the balance of the car with the brakes getting the back end to come out just slightly into corners. You can do it more in a 172 cup my 182 has alot more grip so isn't as loose but similar effect.

Example that you can try so ya understand. In dry. lol drive into a round about and lift off, in a trophy it will just stick in a 172 or standard 182 the back end will go light so you can change your line and helps carry more speed.

Erm no.

If the back end is sliding its scrubbing off speed.

Do you see the Clio Cup racers lifting off to get faster lap times.

 

[El Marko]

in b4 itll hav it in the twisties

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

Trophy still sits too high for my liking, and the chances of u taking the suspension to its limits is pretty slim. If u got 7k to play with buy a 172 cup add a £4k- supercharger, H&R coilovers, decent brakes and tyres., the handling will be more then satisfing for wat ur gonna do on the road

Mate if you've dropped a 172 Cup 70mm you don't have a clue as it will handle like s**t and the rear will hop around on the bump stops like a Kangaroo on acid.

Will people get it into there heads that a Trophy is a properly sorted car and Renault gave it the ride height for a reason.

I am bored of this discussion now but how many people with opinions about Trophy's have never ever driven one.....................

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

in b4 itll hav it in the twisties

Feel free to venture over to Bracknell and have a play against a Trophy any time mate.

 

[Jamie]

You can get a 172 Cup for £850? (£4,000 s/c, £1,000 H&R's, £750 brakes, £400 tyres) [If you don't understand you said if you had £7,000 to spend you'd have got a 172 cup plus the following mods. £7,000 less those mods = £850]

Kev, I had loads of lift off oversteer in the Williams (which is what you're describing) and I didn't like that too much.

 

[maz172cup]

if anyone wants to take me for a spin in a trophy, be glad to give fuel cost plus do a write up of how it compares to a cup with 70mm coilovers. My brother has a VX220 turbo and we both agree the clio handles better.

 

[Jamie]

Go on a R Sport track day. I'm sure mat will take you for a spin and you can even put some laps in on yours. Not going to be able to review them on the road.