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Fair play if you have the cash and all that but dare I ask what the rush is to get a 360? From what I can see in the pipeline its the same games with better graphics with a considerable price premium added for good measure, as usual no significant jumps in AI are apparent from what I've heard...

Am I missing something? Still 20 left according to the RS website and that seems to be updated daily. Have they sold out?

Hopefully we cab expect a TG review, he said he had it for a week so I can't imagine he did that for a few paragraphs in the ST! Speaking of TG did you see what they are doing throughout the next series, GT4 v real life (Clarkson on GT4 in NSX around Laguna Seca vs Clarkson in real life in...

Torx is T40 by the way, the final central black one takes quite a bit of work to shift!

They quote 202bhp then go on to say that the work can be done on a 172 for £50 less, can I take my Cup in and expect an extra 30bhp instead of 20 :D

I've spent less on my DS and extensive games collection than it would cost me to buy a standard PSP and two games, yet despite buying it nearly a year ago its still used nearly every day, and importantly for a handheld...still works and isn't damaged in the slightest despite a few drops. Advance...

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61490 Dribble. Literally the best gaming news I've seen since the good old days before that damn Playstation wiped out the Dreamcast and ruined entertaining gaming for years. It even looks like Sensi Soccer! If there is any justice in the world...

A 182 Cup is a matter of pounds more expensive than the Fiesta ST, that much is fact. I can't get over the fact that someone is quoting 'ring figures though, how the hell were they verified?! If anything a shorter track would have a more realistic outcome, with the 'ring its as much about...

If you switch the headlights on manually you can flash away as much as you like, its only when they are auto-on that it leaves them on full beam when you pull the stick back for a second. I've given up flashing annoying fog-light users, mostly mothers in people carriers that seem to do it...

I'm guessing 172 owners can join in because they are much the same... Likes: Acceleration Cornering Exclusivity* Bit of a sleeper (I guess this applies less to 182s and 172 Cups) Relatively cheap to run Above all, its just pure fun Dislikes: Renault Dealerships Seat too...

Psycho Fox Master System. Pure genius, greatest platformer ever made. I still have it and still play it often. So gutted that the 3D "revolution" has killed the 2D platformer, I haven't seen a 3D platformer thats beaten a really good 2D one. NHLPA Hockey 93 Mega Drive. Not EA Hockey or NHLPA...

Something about that advert I really like. Renault always have a lot to live up to with new adverts but I think they've done it again...and yes she is very fit!

I'm in the market for something like that too, would like it to be nearly as quiet as it is at low speeds, but then sounds a little better when I open it up. Only problem is I have a 172 and also want to keep the pipe hidden!

Out of order from him but I have to say he probably has to put up with the local "krew" hanging out there every night parking badly and annoying the hell out of everyone, he probably assumed you were one of them on a morning run!

Have a good look at the rear window through the rear view mirror when moving at a good speed in the 172 Cup, sometimes it vibrates so much I swear its going to fall out! I may be a bit odd but I like these quirks though, some call it build quality issues but I call it character! Admittedly if I...

Could it be a rogue individual at the place in question pocketing the £450 rather than an actual dealer "scam"? I know things can be dodgy but I would find it really hard to believe that a main dealer would actually pull something like this.

Seems to me that some inexperienced chap has come on here, clearly been robbed of £450 and all most people can do is laugh at him. Doesn't exactly inspire you to come back or become a member does it?! As others have said, get on to the dealer asap and get all the details of this so called...

230kmh is about 142mph, so as an indicated speed that would be about right I would imagine. Where is it being quoted that you can do 250kmh out of interest?

But the original 172 wouldn't receive a "Mk" of its own as its based on a particular model of Clio (the Mk 2 Phase 1), therefore (and I'm being anal here) a Mk1 172 doesn't exist, if anything you have a Phase 1 and Phase 2 172, then a Phase 2 182.

I might be missing your point entirely, but... Surely if you are just talking about 172s...which you are according to the title and first paragraph, you have the MK2 Phase 1 which just had the 172, and then the MK2 Phase 2 ("facelift") which had the 172 (full fat) and 172 Cup.

Get your service done first in my opinion, plenty of Cups around at this time of year (people scared to keep them over the winter I guess!) and values tend to be a little lower. If you don't get the work done someone will only try and knock you down a further £200 anyway.

I'm getting about 35mpg around town in my 172 Cup, upto 43mpg or so on a longer journey with a reasonable amount of traffic about, 30mpg when "having fun" on the open roads, and then 12mpg on the track! Averages out at about 30mpg in the long run. Just remember to reset the trip computer weekly...

Regardless of power output (which I imagine will be enough to compensate for the extra weight plus a tiny bit more) its the handling which really matters. I'm sure at some point figures of 195bhp or whatever will be released and possibly even a slower 0-60 time than 172 Cup standard, and people...

Did you shop around? Between my first call to a Renault dealer locally and my last (I got quotes from most in the area) I got my Cup service down from £250 to £170. A few other things... Make sure all bulbs are working, change them if needs be. Also check the conidition of wiper blades and...

Have never really thought about this, but after seeing the title of this thread it prompted me, and oddly enough I think I would keep my Cup. I'm not disputing the Trophy's superb attributes in the slightest, but I love the raw edge of my Cup. Got to have been one of the last cars built...

Have deliveries started of the new Clio or was last weekend just when the order book opened? I spotted my first on the road today in Trowbridge, was black and I have to say on the road it looked very nice (better than the stationary one at RWS), I was never sure but now I think a RenaultSport...

Is that how Renault "secure" them?! I put my carbon one in with about 8 self tappers and it doesn't budge at all. Now I know how the original owner of my Cup lost the standard one...

Great vid, none of me on the circuit thankfully! Nice production and some decent effects, all with Windows software?!

Excuse me?! Hat off to you lad, I was 22 before I even considered insuring a 172!

Considering the general shift towards smaller engines with super/turbochargers to improve emissions and economy maybe we will see a 1.4 or 1.6 RS Turbo in the future along the lines of the forthcoming Golf GT..?