1.5DCi or 2.0VVT?

lukeboston · May 5, 2014

Debating whether to get rid of my 1.5GT DCi and get a 197 2.0 petrol.
What are the pros and cons?
Obviously speed and power for the petrol, but my car needs some new alloys as one of mine got split in an accident and begrudge spending £179.99 for one wheel so have a horrible set on at the minute - and has given me an excuse to swap it.
Here's a picture of mine at the minute:

N4TH4N · May 5, 2014

Get rid of the dirty derv and get a 182 ! Depends if economy is important to you.

lukeboston · May 5, 2014

182? I like the newer ones 197/200. Economy is important as I do mostly motorway miles but also spend a lot of time on country roads and want something with a bit more pick up.

GrahamS · May 6, 2014

mild remap of DCi

Starlet_gt · May 6, 2014

I'm not sure a 197/200 is for you if economy is important

Goodj · May 6, 2014

So.....change to a 197, to save money on fixing a wheel? That's a new one, even for CS

Fix your wheel, get a remap.

Barnett · May 6, 2014

Get a decat and a remap, faster car + keep the good economy.

lukeboston · May 6, 2014

Anybody know of any decent remappers in the north east/North Yorkshire area? My mate had his done but didn't reckon much to it

McGherkin · May 6, 2014

Goodj said:
So.....change to a 197, to save money on fixing a wheel? That's a new one, even for CS

Fix your wheel, get a remap.

This.

'Fucked my wheel, time for a new car!'

Martin_172 · May 7, 2014

I swapped my 10 month old GT DCI for a brand new 200 when my GT was getting serviced.

2 different types of cars, massive massive difference in economy my GT would do 50mpg without trying where my 200 would do 25 without trying.

can you justify doubling your fuel bill, if you can go for it, If you cant then don't!

remember its not just fuel, cambelts are twice as much, brakes are twice as much, tyres are twice as much!

Mr Plums · May 7, 2014

Martin_172 said:
I swapped my 10 month old GT DCI for a brand new 200 when my GT was getting serviced.

2 different types of cars, massive massive difference in economy my GT would do 50mpg without trying where my 200 would do 25 without trying.

can you justify doubling your fuel bill, if you can go for it, If you cant then don't!

remember its not just fuel, cambelts are twice as much, brakes are twice as much, tyres are twice as much!

Fun is 100x as much!

danilogabriel66 · May 7, 2014

If you have a DPF the best option is to remove. Yet the 1.5 dci with a good remap you can get around the 140hp and You keep low mpg , and you still gonna have a fast car.

sorry for my bad english... here in Portugal almost nobody has clios sport. so we had to go for diesel ones

Martin_172 · May 7, 2014

MrTom said:
Fun is 100x as much!

wouldn't go that far lol! day to day driving it wasn't much quicker than the GT DCI was!! only when you drove like your hair was on fire.

and where it handled better, on your typical UK backroad the GT was just as fast as it didn't skip and jump about!

but in keeping with the theme, it was probably twice as fun!

Mr Plums · May 7, 2014

Martin_172 said:
wouldn't go that far lol! day to day driving it wasn't much quicker than the GT DCI was!! only when you drove like your hair was on fire.

and where it handled better, on your typical UK backroad the GT was just as fast as it didn't skip and jump about!

but in keeping with the theme, it was probably twice as fun!

Im probably used to my 182

AdDaMan · May 7, 2014

I have a tuning box for sale from my DCi if your interested?

Goodj · May 8, 2014

MrTom said:
Fun is 100x as much!

for almost 1% of the time.

Especially for OP. Mostly motorway miles, and even when you get on a B-road, how often do people actually, seriously, deicde to drive on their door-handles?

Keep DCi, get MX5 for cheap-to-run, RWD 'lolz'...hell, they'll even do 35mpg...and servicing can be done by cavemen using breeze-blocks for tools

Knuckles · May 8, 2014

197s are great on fuel!

... I saw 30mpg for a second the other day

Knuckles · May 8, 2014

lukeboston said:
Anybody know of any decent remappers in the north east/North Yorkshire area? My mate had his done but didn't reckon much to it

Rstuning in leeds

Chrisgti6 · May 8, 2014

Knuckles said:
197s are great on fuel!

... I saw 30mpg for a second the other day

Lol, I can't beleive that i'm now getting better MPG in my new car. More weight (only just), 60% more power & an extra cylinder and i'm still consistantly getting hight MPG than my 197 ever did! lol

I even saw 40mpg at the weekend over a 60 mile journey!

Simon_16v · May 8, 2014

Theres Big Fish Tuning in Stokesley

lukeboston · May 10, 2014

I've heard of big fish tuning, not heard of rstuning. Any reports on them?

Cupman29 · May 10, 2014

lukeboston said:
I've heard of big fish tuning, not heard of rstuning. Any reports on them?

Rstuning have a very good rep on here. Big fish tuning sound like sharks.

Cant believe the difference in fuel economy between 197's and 172/182's. When my 172 cup was standard I would easily get 40+mpg on the motorway and average around 35 the rest of the time.

aucky · May 10, 2014

Just go to Rs Tuning, and then fix your wheel.

lukeboston · May 11, 2014

The wheel is not repairable. It's £180 for a new one from renault but I'm looking for private sellers of one. I'm going to go to rs tuning. How much is it? Around £200?

Knuckles · May 11, 2014

lukeboston said:
The wheel is not repairable. It's £180 for a new one from renault but I'm looking for private sellers of one. I'm going to go to rs tuning. How much is it? Around £200?

you'll have to ask them yourself but I was always under the impression a map would be about £300

con1981 · May 11, 2014

lukeboston said:
I've heard of big fish tuning, not heard of rstuning. Any reports on them?

Big fish is popular with vw crowd

glenn_adam_doble · May 11, 2014

i did the same went form a GT DCI 106 to a Raider,

obviously the running costs are higher but definitely worth it IMO

lukeboston · May 11, 2014

I'll give them a ring to see what they both charge. I always thought it was around the 200 mark?
I fancied a 197 but people have just said running costs are more or less double. It's not that much of an issue - but with a remap and a sorted wheel my car would be spot on.

AdDaMan · May 12, 2014

Tuning box?

Martin_172 · May 12, 2014

no point in tuning boxes they cant affect boost.

my map at RS Tuning was £450 from memory

Chrisgti6 · May 12, 2014

Martin_172 said:
no point in tuning boxes they cant affect boost.

my map at RS Tuning was £450 from memory

I think £3-400 is common place for a remap. My remap on the Volvo was £419, however I did gain 70+bhp and 90lb-ft torque, so felt worth it. I think if I spent that kind of money for better drivability and 2bhp i'd be annoyed! (1*2 owers!) however on the DCI you should get good results

lukeboston · May 12, 2014

Yeah I went to a remapping place near me in Northallerton and he said it would add about 37-45ish bhp, which would be noticeable.
Definitely going to get it done but I didn't realise it was so expensive.
Has anybody heard of one of those bluefin boxes? If so, any reports?

AdDaMan · May 13, 2014

Martin_172 said:
no point in tuning boxes they cant affect boost.

my map at RS Tuning was £450 from memory

And how does that make them 'no point'?

£80 for a tuning box or £450 for a map...that's the point.

I ran one for 65k and made a hell of a difference.

lukeboston · May 13, 2014

Would you recommend them? Are they easy enough to sort out?

AdDaMan · May 13, 2014

lukeboston said:
Would you recommend them? Are they easy enough to sort out?

Yeah I absolutely would. As I say used one on my brand new megane 1.5dci 110 from 1000miles to 66000 miles and it was brilliant.

Whenever it went in for service I just unplugged it and that was that till I got it back. And when I did unplug it the difference was immense. It made it awful to drive without it.

I am selling mine if you want it as I no longer have the car.

lukeboston · May 13, 2014

AdDaMan said:
Yeah I absolutely would. As I say used one on my brand new megane 1.5dci 110 from 1000miles to 66000 miles and it was brilliant.

Whenever it went in for service I just unplugged it and that was that till I got it back. And when I did unplug it the difference was immense. It made it awful to drive without it.

I am selling mine if you want it as I no longer have the car.

How much are you after? And what make is it?
How much extra bhp did it give you? I've heard that remapping gives slightly more than a box, don't know whether that's right though.
Cheers

AdDaMan · May 13, 2014

lukeboston said:
How much are you after? And what make is it?
How much extra bhp did it give you? I've heard that remapping gives slightly more than a box, don't know whether that's right though.
Cheers

Yeah remapping will be better but thats why its £350+ more!!
It gave me approx 20bhp and about 40ft-lbs of torque at a guess. And MUCH better low down drivability.
Not sure what make it is tbh mate, yours for £85 delivered. PM me if you want it.

lukeboston · May 13, 2014

AdDaMan said:
Yeah remapping will be better but thats why its £350+ more!!
It gave me approx 20bhp and about 40ft-lbs of torque at a guess. And MUCH better low down drivability.
Not sure what make it is tbh mate, yours for £85 delivered. PM me if you want it.

How do you install it? Very stupid question, but I've never put one in!
Are there different settings on it or is it the same setting all the time?

AdDaMan · May 13, 2014

Very easy mate. Just fits in between the fuel rail plug. It's adjustable yes, pretty crude but works perfectly.

lemonnobby · May 13, 2014

You won't get 40 bhp from any map.
Most you might get is 20.
I had k9k engines

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