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Suspension is still to be confirmed mate 
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lol! Not sure yet on 3/4 way I highly doubt it as I am going to be running the car myself for the rest of this year and next so I need to be able to get the car setup without a suspension engineer with me at all times. We know what damping we want for the car though and should be able to valve to suit although it will take a few days of playing around on the damper dyno to get it spot on but it should then be fit and forget (Famous last words ) I should then have predetermined settings for dry/damp/wet etc to go with the tyres. Will be much more simple for me than having to faff with 3 way's as exciting as that may be
Don't think my girlfriend would approve :rasp:I feel a three way coming
lol! Not sure yet on 3/4 way I highly doubt it as I am going to be running the car myself for the rest of this year and next so I need to be able to get the car setup without a suspension engineer with me at all times. We know what damping we want for the car though and should be able to valve to suit although it will take a few days of playing around on the damper dyno to get it spot on but it should then be fit and forget
(Famous last words ) I should then have predetermined settings for dry/damp/wet etc to go with the tyres. Will be much more simple for me than having to faff with 3 way's as exciting as that may be 
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
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Having less adjustability is sometimes more advantageous anyway really. It's all to easy to get carried away making adjustments here and there. Carrying out one adjustment and then testing it out to see if you've gone the right or wrong way is more the key to success, making notes of any set-up changes and the effects of each change.
Don't think my girlfriend would approve :rasp:
lol! Not sure yet on 3/4 way I highly doubt it as I am going to be running the car myself for the rest of this year and next so I need to be able to get the car setup without a suspension engineer with me at all times. We know what damping we want for the car though and should be able to valve to suit although it will take a few days of playing around on the damper dyno to get it spot on but it should then be fit and forget
Having less adjustability is sometimes more advantageous anyway really. It's all to easy to get carried away making adjustments here and there. Carrying out one adjustment and then testing it out to see if you've gone the right or wrong way is more the key to success, making notes of any set-up changes and the effects of each change.
182cup & 172 racecar
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Too many knobs to fiddle with can be dangerous IMO
Too many knobs to fiddle with can be dangerous IMO
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
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Couldn't agree with you more Tony!
Couldn't agree with you more Tony!
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Just want to get back out in the car now lol!
Yeah definitely Mark
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Im a big fan of "harder" and "softer" and nothing else as well, does keep things a lot simpler when you dont have an unlimited testing budget, especially when its not a car you are going to be out testing with on the road etc, so everytime you want to check something its more money gone.
Hopefully if you can get a good setup from cornering force it should just be a case of wind the shocks a little harder and add more ARB resistance on a dry day, back them off a little on a wet day, and easy to play with the front end grip versus the rear via the same simple process, so you can tailor it 90% of the way with 10% of the effort.
That will allow you to develop the main thing that its going to be important to focus on at this stage, your driving and race craft.
Im a big fan of "harder" and "softer" and nothing else as well, does keep things a lot simpler when you dont have an unlimited testing budget, especially when its not a car you are going to be out testing with on the road etc, so everytime you want to check something its more money gone.
Hopefully if you can get a good setup from cornering force it should just be a case of wind the shocks a little harder and add more ARB resistance on a dry day, back them off a little on a wet day, and easy to play with the front end grip versus the rear via the same simple process, so you can tailor it 90% of the way with 10% of the effort.
That will allow you to develop the main thing that its going to be important to focus on at this stage, your driving and race craft.
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Yes definitely Chip!
Exactly and hopefully on the test day with Simon + uber complicated data logger we should sort most of the fine tuning too!
That's exactly what I want, just a car that I can get in and then learn to drive fast and get plenty of seat time which is what has been so frustrating since February!
Yes definitely Chip!
Exactly and hopefully on the test day with Simon + uber complicated data logger we should sort most of the fine tuning too!
That's exactly what I want, just a car that I can get in and then learn to drive fast and get plenty of seat time which is what has been so frustrating since February!
220 Trophy
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Hi James, hope you’re well, haven’t been on much lately due to work but have enjoyed being kept updated on your thread. Saw your car at TDF a couple of weeks ago – its looking good.. Mine’s going back at the end of the month for some more power and…… Alcons!! Can’t wait!! Mark
Hi James, hope you’re well, haven’t been on much lately due to work but have enjoyed being kept updated on your thread. Saw your car at TDF a couple of weeks ago – its looking good.. Mine’s going back at the end of the month for some more power and…… Alcons!! Can’t wait!! Mark
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Hi Mark yes long time no speak! Thanks hopefully another update in the next day or so Very nice what are you doing for more power? Cam's or Engine build? Haha very good mate I bet you can't wait
Hi Mark yes long time no speak! Thanks hopefully another update in the next day or so
Very nice what are you doing for more power? Cam's or Engine build? Haha very good mate I bet you can't wait
220 Trophy
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The engine (and car) has only done 24k so it doesn't need a re-build yet, Matt will be sticking some 421's in as apparently they're the wildest that can be fitted with standard pistons, along with ARP bolts so it can rev a bit higher and a bit of tarting up. Should be around 215-218 bhp and 185 ftlb. I'm looking forward to the brakes more than anything, my Willwood/AP's are great but I just want/need even more braking power!!Hi Mark yes long time no speak! Thanks hopefully another update in the next day or so
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Wow nice low milage PH1 It did look very tidy when I saw it so that would explain it! Ahh very good will be the same spec as mine then! Your not planning to run without the VVT are you? I did do and to be fair it was a mistake!
Yes the brakes are epic in the dry! Do you run ABS Mark?
Wow nice low milage PH1
It did look very tidy when I saw it so that would explain it! Ahh very good will be the same spec as mine then! Your not planning to run without the VVT are you? I did do and to be fair it was a mistake! Yes the brakes are epic in the dry! Do you run ABS Mark?
220 Trophy
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Yes, hunted a long time for such a low miler. Its had both sides and the bonnet re-sprayed so that's why it probably looked so tidy!! Good to hear, apparently that's about it as far as power is concerned without spending a lot more for only a little more gain. But truthfully circa 220bhp in 900kg is fine is'nt it (he says!!!). Hadn't thought about non-VVC, Matt hadn't mentioned anything - what are the pros and possibly as you've found out the cons? I really cant wait for the brakes, yes have ABS, that was the reason I went for a non-Cup because I wanted ABS. Is that still ok with the Alcons?Wow nice low milage PH1
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Pros of non VVT :
Allows fine tuning of the cam timing
More reliable than a dephasor solenoid arrangement
Cons:
With something like 421 cams you want to be able to run a lot more advance in the midrange than at the top end, so if you lose the VVT it means you have to pick a timing that suits one or the other, or compromise on both
So it sounds like for your application you would be much better with it. (as would James IMHO although maybe not if doing an endurance race)
Pros of non VVT :
Allows fine tuning of the cam timing
More reliable than a dephasor solenoid arrangement
Cons:
With something like 421 cams you want to be able to run a lot more advance in the midrange than at the top end, so if you lose the VVT it means you have to pick a timing that suits one or the other, or compromise on both
So it sounds like for your application you would be much better with it. (as would James IMHO although maybe not if doing an endurance race)
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Yes I think it is really and it's plenty fast enough! I just wouldn't do it if I were you Mark, I am looking into refitting it over winter but it's a mistake that will cost me about 1k (So I really don't want to do it) As Chip has explained its basically given me a rocket ship above 6k but the car doesn't do much IMO under about 5k. I think I will just get the cam's retimed and give me the power/torque lower down and compromise on top end as I can't justify swapping cams etc.
Yes I think it will be fine, I have had problems from day 1 with my ABS been intermittent so that could be at fault but with the PF97 pads in the wet the ABS just kicks in instantly which is a tad scary! I now swap the pads around depending on the weather so run yellowstuff's for the wet. If I can't get the ABS working reliably before winter then it will be getting binned when the car gets rebuilt
Ahh well it certainly looked like a pick of the bunch car
Yes I think it is really and it's plenty fast enough! I just wouldn't do it if I were you Mark, I am looking into refitting it over winter but it's a mistake that will cost me about 1k (So I really don't want to do it)
As Chip has explained its basically given me a rocket ship above 6k but the car doesn't do much IMO under about 5k. I think I will just get the cam's retimed and give me the power/torque lower down and compromise on top end as I can't justify swapping cams etc. Yes I think it will be fine, I have had problems from day 1 with my ABS been intermittent so that could be at fault but with the PF97 pads in the wet the ABS just kicks in instantly which is a tad scary! I now swap the pads around depending on the weather so run yellowstuff's for the wet. If I can't get the ABS working reliably before winter then it will be getting binned when the car gets rebuilt
Exactly Chip, Wish I had left it in but I just realised the pro's unfortunately and not the con's! Will see what I can do over winter to rectify it
shiftspark
ClioSport Club Member
R53 GR86
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Suspension sorted ? Pm.
Suspension sorted ? Pm.
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Ok, thanks Chip/James - will definitely leave it on, it’s the mid-range torque I love - wouldn't want to loose that!! Matt's hoping for another 10ftlb with the 421's. Interesting with regards the ABS, although I had a great day at Brands a couple of Thursdays ago in the dry, the last handful have all been p1ssing it down. Are the Yellowstuff less aggressive then so they don’t lock up so easily in the wet?
Ok, thanks Chip/James - will definitely leave it on, it’s the mid-range torque I love - wouldn't want to loose that!! Matt's hoping for another 10ftlb with the 421's. Interesting with regards the ABS, although I had a great day at Brands a couple of Thursdays ago in the dry, the last handful have all been p1ssing it down. Are the Yellowstuff less aggressive then so they don’t lock up so easily in the wet?
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On porkies car, with cams not greatly dissimilar to the 421, it loses around 20lbft of midrange torque without the dephasor!
What we did in the end was set the timing to a partway point that works really well at high RPM, and then turn the dephasor on only upto 5250rpm or so.
So over that RPM, even if the dephasor fails, it will make no difference anyway, so that way its a bit of a halfway house reliability wise and power wise.
On porkies car, with cams not greatly dissimilar to the 421, it loses around 20lbft of midrange torque without the dephasor!
What we did in the end was set the timing to a partway point that works really well at high RPM, and then turn the dephasor on only upto 5250rpm or so.
So over that RPM, even if the dephasor fails, it will make no difference anyway, so that way its a bit of a halfway house reliability wise and power wise.
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Matt will know exactly what he will achieve as he has done quite a few ITB kits now with the 421's I think
Yes they are and it shows as 15-20 mins in the dry and they are past it but they can keep going for a long time in the wet
Yes I think thats best mate
Matt will know exactly what he will achieve as he has done quite a few ITB kits now with the 421's I think Yes they are and it shows as 15-20 mins in the dry and they are past it but they can keep going for a long time in the wet
Wow I would love to find 20lbft midrange lol! Do you think it's worth putting VVT back in Chip knowing what it will cost?
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I'd hate to promise you that it will do the same as your specs are quite different.
He has a very short induction length which you dont so as a result his car might rely on the extra cam advance more than yours will. Same for my mrs RS2 car which also loses a similar amount in the midrange if I turn off the VVT.
Sounds like your best bet is to see what space cadet's car will make as thats a more similar spec to yours, and then decide from that.
If I was pressed to give an aswer though, based on what Ive seen not just on Porkies car but on other F4Rs as well, I would say yes I would do it if I was in your position.
Yes I think thats best mate
Yes they are and it shows as 15-20 mins in the dry and they are past it but they can keep going for a long time in the wet
Wow I would love to find 20lbft midrange lol! Do you think it's worth putting VVT back in Chip knowing what it will cost?
I'd hate to promise you that it will do the same as your specs are quite different.
He has a very short induction length which you dont so as a result his car might rely on the extra cam advance more than yours will. Same for my mrs RS2 car which also loses a similar amount in the midrange if I turn off the VVT.
Sounds like your best bet is to see what space cadet's car will make as thats a more similar spec to yours, and then decide from that.
If I was pressed to give an aswer though, based on what Ive seen not just on Porkies car but on other F4Rs as well, I would say yes I would do it if I was in your position.
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Yes of course Chip
Yes that isn't a bad idea at all!
Okay thanks for that mate, I will look into the costs involved and go from there and see how Mark gets on
Yes of course Chip
Yes that isn't a bad idea at all!
Okay thanks for that mate, I will look into the costs involved and go from there and see how Mark gets on
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What date is Donington? I feel a day off for some photography is required lol
What date is Donington? I feel a day off for some photography is required lol
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Would be great if you can make it mate!
The race is on the 15th September but not 100% I will be doing that and the test will hopefully be before the end of August
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Ahh ok - I'll head down on 15th anyway as it's only an hour from us
Ahh ok - I'll head down on 15th anyway as it's only an hour from us
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Update time:
Finally time for an update! I’ve had a really busy few weeks behind the scenes with the car but feel like I’m finally getting somewhere.
Following on from the disappointment of Anglesey it was time for me to sit down and assess how to move forward. The key issues for me were that the car/driver is slow and also the car has had a lot of reliability issues. The nail in the coffin is when I looked back at my trackday video from 2009 in my Clio 197 and I was doing quicker laptimes than in my racecar that is lighter and has more power so something is fundamentally not right.
The first issue is that while the KW suspension is very good it just isn’t racecar suspension and doesn’t have the scope to be made into such. The spring rates were very soft, the valving not suitable, the adjustment been very limited and it seemingly didn’t take well to the continued abuse. The failure seems to have been caused by the damping adjuster going over it’s limit and breaking down which explains why when we put the stiffer springs on that I still thought it was softer. This led to the damper bottoming out and subsequently led to the failure of the bearing. They have been replaced by KW and will be up for sale once I receive them back.
Ever since the car was built I have suffered from an intermittent ABS issue where sometimes it work and sometimes it doesn’t. This is far from ideal and leads me to locking up or not braking as hard as I could be doing. TDF have checked all the sensors which seem to be working and it is having a final tweak as we speak. If this isn’t then 100% reliable then I will be removing it over winter as it’s better for me to know I don’t have it rather than been unsure.
The car is currently with TDF for some final jobs to be finished and then the car will be returned to me where I have got a long list of job’s to get started on before the car is next out.
I have looked back at the issues I have had and I think learnt from them all. From this point forwards I will be in control of what happens on the car and be carrying out the work myself where ever I can. If I can’t do something then within reason I will try it and learn as I go along. However job’s like cambelts, detailed suspension engineering and electronics will be shipped out to specialists to ensure they are carried out correctly and not affect reliability.
The reliability is thing that has struck me the most as a lot of money has been wasted by the car not working when I have been scheduled to test. To try and combat this for next season I am going to carry out a full nut and bolt re-build over winter and change various spec’s of the car to make things more simple (Reliable). It will also give me an understanding of how things work so that I can work out what spares I need to carry and also how to go about fixing the problems quickly. I will do another update in the near future with more details of the re-build but I am really looking forward to it
The plan for the rest of this season is to get the car back out and hopefully for me to enjoy myself and give me the motivation to go and carry out the rebuild over winter.
Over the last month or so I have been investigating various suspension options. The AST’s are the only real off the shelf option available which I found hard to believe. I spent a long time researching and kept coming back to the fact that people found AST customer services far from ideal so I discounted that option and went in search of something else. One of the manufatures I contacted was Nitron who were already in development with the Clio so this seemed like a great option we made good progress and I was going to be supplied with a kit but unfortunately this didn’t work out and frankly they were messing me around and i've had enough of that with this car so it was back to the drawing board. I then heard that AST had issued a new distributer for the Renault sport products with an aim to improve the customer services. Cooksport are now the excusive retailer for the AST’s and I have been dealing with Josh for a couple of weeks. The first time I spoke with him I explained the situation and that I needed to get sorted soon and didn’t want to have a faff trying to get sorted. He was really helpful and got straight onto AST Holland and said I could have some week commencing 13[SUP]th[/SUP] August. He didn’t rush me into anything and gave me time to think so I went and explored some more options. I spoke with Fred who has been very kind to me and he offered me a possible solution. I also got in touch with Dan@519 to see if he could offer a solution and he kindly got in touch with Spax. It was very kind of them both to go out of their way to try and help me and I really appreciate their help. In the end I have decided that the quickest solution and also a proven one is to go with the AST’s. I got a phone call today from Josh to say that AST Holland can ship them directly to me and they have now valved them to suit along with the springs and could be with me next week so this afternoon I went ahead and ordered them
It seems I can finally get the car back on track and see how it works with the new suspension. It’s a shame that I spent so much time and money trying to get somewhere with the KW’s but I have learnt from that raft of mistakes and won’t do it again as it will take a long time for my wallet to forget them!
My plan is to get the car out for testing and see how it feels, if it is still in need of some work on the setup then it will go off to a local suspension specialist for some work doing. However if it feels good then I will enter one more race this season, which is unfortunately all that funds will allow for as I need to keep money to one side for the rebuild and other work over winter.
It has been a tough month or so but I am determined to get the car sorted and get the results that the car deserves.
Thanks as always for reading!
James
Update time:
Finally time for an update! I’ve had a really busy few weeks behind the scenes with the car but feel like I’m finally getting somewhere.
Following on from the disappointment of Anglesey it was time for me to sit down and assess how to move forward. The key issues for me were that the car/driver is slow and also the car has had a lot of reliability issues. The nail in the coffin is when I looked back at my trackday video from 2009 in my Clio 197 and I was doing quicker laptimes than in my racecar that is lighter and has more power so something is fundamentally not right.
The first issue is that while the KW suspension is very good it just isn’t racecar suspension and doesn’t have the scope to be made into such. The spring rates were very soft, the valving not suitable, the adjustment been very limited and it seemingly didn’t take well to the continued abuse. The failure seems to have been caused by the damping adjuster going over it’s limit and breaking down which explains why when we put the stiffer springs on that I still thought it was softer. This led to the damper bottoming out and subsequently led to the failure of the bearing. They have been replaced by KW and will be up for sale once I receive them back.
Ever since the car was built I have suffered from an intermittent ABS issue where sometimes it work and sometimes it doesn’t. This is far from ideal and leads me to locking up or not braking as hard as I could be doing. TDF have checked all the sensors which seem to be working and it is having a final tweak as we speak. If this isn’t then 100% reliable then I will be removing it over winter as it’s better for me to know I don’t have it rather than been unsure.
The car is currently with TDF for some final jobs to be finished and then the car will be returned to me where I have got a long list of job’s to get started on before the car is next out.
I have looked back at the issues I have had and I think learnt from them all. From this point forwards I will be in control of what happens on the car and be carrying out the work myself where ever I can. If I can’t do something then within reason I will try it and learn as I go along. However job’s like cambelts, detailed suspension engineering and electronics will be shipped out to specialists to ensure they are carried out correctly and not affect reliability.
The reliability is thing that has struck me the most as a lot of money has been wasted by the car not working when I have been scheduled to test. To try and combat this for next season I am going to carry out a full nut and bolt re-build over winter and change various spec’s of the car to make things more simple (Reliable). It will also give me an understanding of how things work so that I can work out what spares I need to carry and also how to go about fixing the problems quickly. I will do another update in the near future with more details of the re-build but I am really looking forward to it
The plan for the rest of this season is to get the car back out and hopefully for me to enjoy myself and give me the motivation to go and carry out the rebuild over winter.
Over the last month or so I have been investigating various suspension options. The AST’s are the only real off the shelf option available which I found hard to believe. I spent a long time researching and kept coming back to the fact that people found AST customer services far from ideal so I discounted that option and went in search of something else. One of the manufatures I contacted was Nitron who were already in development with the Clio so this seemed like a great option we made good progress and I was going to be supplied with a kit but unfortunately this didn’t work out and frankly they were messing me around and i've had enough of that with this car so it was back to the drawing board. I then heard that AST had issued a new distributer for the Renault sport products with an aim to improve the customer services. Cooksport are now the excusive retailer for the AST’s and I have been dealing with Josh for a couple of weeks. The first time I spoke with him I explained the situation and that I needed to get sorted soon and didn’t want to have a faff trying to get sorted. He was really helpful and got straight onto AST Holland and said I could have some week commencing 13[SUP]th[/SUP] August. He didn’t rush me into anything and gave me time to think so I went and explored some more options. I spoke with Fred who has been very kind to me and he offered me a possible solution. I also got in touch with Dan@519 to see if he could offer a solution and he kindly got in touch with Spax. It was very kind of them both to go out of their way to try and help me and I really appreciate their help. In the end I have decided that the quickest solution and also a proven one is to go with the AST’s. I got a phone call today from Josh to say that AST Holland can ship them directly to me and they have now valved them to suit along with the springs and could be with me next week so this afternoon I went ahead and ordered them
It seems I can finally get the car back on track and see how it works with the new suspension. It’s a shame that I spent so much time and money trying to get somewhere with the KW’s but I have learnt from that raft of mistakes and won’t do it again as it will take a long time for my wallet to forget them!
My plan is to get the car out for testing and see how it feels, if it is still in need of some work on the setup then it will go off to a local suspension specialist for some work doing. However if it feels good then I will enter one more race this season, which is unfortunately all that funds will allow for as I need to keep money to one side for the rebuild and other work over winter.
It has been a tough month or so but I am determined to get the car sorted and get the results that the car deserves.
Thanks as always for reading!
James
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Perfect mate well i'm certainly hoping to get the car out for it but can't be certain about anythingAhh ok - I'll head down on 15th anyway as it's only an hour from us
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OUCH that sucks!
I must admit, and I don't mean to be horrible in any way with this, but when we were at Anglesey I had honestly expected your car to fly off and leave me for dead lol.
I'm sure it's got a LOT more potential if the reliablity issues can be sorted, I hope they are with this last round of replacement parts
Good luck mate, hope to see it dominating at Donington
OUCH that sucks!
I must admit, and I don't mean to be horrible in any way with this, but when we were at Anglesey I had honestly expected your car to fly off and leave me for dead lol.
I'm sure it's got a LOT more potential if the reliablity issues can be sorted, I hope they are with this last round of replacement parts
Good luck mate, hope to see it dominating at Donington
Evo 5 RS
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Nothing is ever straight forward, it is pretty bizarre that the AST's are the only off the shelf option!
Jonny the only option for the mk2 is the B14s which I'd put in the same category as the KWs if not worse due to the lack of adjustable damping. They're good, but they're not race suspension. Anything that's remotely usable on the road is a compromise, FACT
Nothing is ever straight forward, it is pretty bizarre that the AST's are the only off the shelf option!
Jonny the only option for the mk2 is the B14s which I'd put in the same category as the KWs if not worse due to the lack of adjustable damping. They're good, but they're not race suspension. Anything that's remotely usable on the road is a compromise, FACT
Glad you've gone down the AST route, you know they're proven so aside from the customer service aspect which will be sorted soon enough, they are a safe and quick bet! What ones did you go for?
Also regarding the full nut/bolt refresh, is it really worth it? Surely just spanner checking/torquing all the bolts would show the weak parts, on top of that isn't the things like bearings and moveable parts that's been the weak point?
Nick
What ones did you go for?Also regarding the full nut/bolt refresh, is it really worth it? Surely just spanner checking/torquing all the bolts would show the weak parts, on top of that isn't the things like bearings and moveable parts that's been the weak point?
Nick
Golf GTD Mk7
The cup racer ones I mean
Hassle of finding parts and modifying them to make it all fit, plus John at R-Sports words... 'The cup racer suspension is rubbish, after all it was just a generic/control suspension used so it wasn't ment to be good stuff. Just stuff that works and sets an even playing field'
He did say if you were to go for anything, go for the Clio GroupN Tarmac rally car suspension. Fully adjustable, though the price would make you wince!
I'll edit it for BIGASH as he missed a bit, if he doesn't like the AST's then he's having these bad boys
Ooh, modified Bilstein cup racer suspension!
Very nice! How much did they cost to modify? Also how do you get around the fronts changing them to 172/182 fitment?
