Cams

[JohnnyE]

Mine are fitted correctly just have an issue at the moment should be sorted this week

I will have an update soon.

 

[davo172]

^^have you posted your results online with a graph? Wouldn't mind seeing it if you have.

Btw. The car at the West Midland RR day that produced 179bhp did have approx 103k on the clock and had either worn piston rings or valve seals. Just thought I would paint a more complete picture.

That being the case should this have not been tested for and pointed out at time of fitting ? and/or should he not of been advised against fitting cams and mapping an engine in that condition ?

 

[MartinR]

That being the case should this have not been tested for and pointed out at time of fitting ? and/or should he not of been advised against fitting cams and mapping an engine in that condition ?

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[Silent_Scone]

sure why not, bring your bore scope with you or pay whoever the extra to take the head off as well just for piece of mind. Should be part of every cambelt change really





Not sure if srs

 

[Dan519]

That being the case should this have not been tested for and pointed out at time of fitting ? and/or should he not of been advised against fitting cams and mapping an engine in that condition ?

not entirely realistic to health check before doing the work. Last one I did was running pretty badly when it came in and the cams were fitted at the same time as sorting the issues. Fixing the issues forst, then doing the cams would have been double the work for a lot of it (alternator change, dephaser pulley change ect)

179 sounds about right on stock airbox as I said (different dyno's dependant)

 

[davo172]

not entirely realistic to health check before doing the work. Last one I did was running pretty badly when it came in and the cams were fitted at the same time as sorting the issues. Fixing the issues forst, then doing the cams would have been double the work for a lot of it (alternator change, dephaser pulley change ect)

179 sounds about right on stock airbox as I said (different dyno's dependant)

Exactly my point, why not health check sort issues and do cams at same time.
No point fitting cams and mapping an unhealthy engine, pointless imo .
It will just make the issues already there worse or fail sooner will it not ? you so then end up with a bill to sort them at a later date anyway so end up with same high costs or higher still !

 

[Fred@BTM]

Thats two that have had those cams and haven't performed!

Incorrect fitting?? Something isn't right imo........

not incorrect fitting, i did it, timing is perfect unlike some cars we see

4 other cars have done good power on them

Harri's is a bit tired and the history of f**k ups on that car is long (not by us) so that's about right really but Johnnys is a strange one, im thinking it might be a dodgy batch, but until i look into it who knows!

 

[MartinR]

not incorrect fitting, i did it, timing is perfect unlike some cars we see

4 other cars have done good power on them

Harri's is a bit tired and the history of f**k ups on that car is long (not by us) so that's about right really but Johnnys is a strange one, im thinking it might be a dodgy batch, but until i look into it who knows!

Flol crafty dig their ay Fred?? nothing wrong with my timing as it run the best power of the day!!! must have been the way it was checked!

I shall leave it there.

 

[JohnnyE]

I've been in a car with GT cams fitted, the guy who works for Fred and that was a quick car.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Flol crafty dig their ay Fred?? nothing wrong with my timing as it run the best power of the day!!! must have been the way it was checked!

I shall leave it there.

Fred definitely knows how to fit a set of cams, and from what I can tell he wasn't having a dig at your car anyway. If you're going to jump to the conclusion that a set of cams are s**te just because you saw one car run poor power more fool you tbh

 

[MartinR]

Fred definitely knows how to fit a set of cams, and from what I can tell he wasn't having a dig at your car anyway. If you're going to jump to the conclusion that a set of cams are s**te just because you saw one car run poor power more fool you tbh

You don't know the full story mate lol and iam not willing to share it on here, as i shall get shot down and banned. hence why i said i will leave it there

 

[Fred@BTM]

your timing IS out Martin, i'll put money on it as 3 of us checked it, but its out in a good way obviously from your power output

 

[MartinR]

Fred the exact same process was done to check the timing a day later and all it took was a slight wiggle and the tool went in??

Something doesn't add up? i was showed the position that the cams sit at if the balancing hole is used (which they sat as they did when i bought it to you) and when the other hole was used it took a slight wiggle to get the tool in and the wiggle was down to belt stretch.

either way the figure i got sums it up for me.

 

[Fred@BTM]

well i remember showing you the line on the flywheel lining up with the 0 on the gearbox, theres a slight wiggle and a heave ho, there's a difference

come get your money back anyway seeing as youre not happy, i did text you but had no reply?

 

[MartinR]

:SErrm i don't remember that mate?

it wasn't a heeve ho either it was a gentle wiggle

I don't want my money back Fred as you did fit the exhaust for me and stayed late.thanks anyway

 

[davo172]

Mine are fitted correctly just have an issue at the moment should be sorted this week

I will have an update soon.

whats the latest mate ?

 

[JohnnyE]

Still the same bud Fred is waiting to hear back of his supplier........

Just done another sprint at Aintree and the results are :

April sprint top speed was 113mph and best time was 58.14 without cams and remap

June sprint top speed was 105 and best time was was 58.24 with cams and remap

Should be getting sorted soon as i have a couple more sprints soon..

 

[Fred@BTM]

0.1 of a second down isn't as bad as i was expecting! I'm on at GT Racing everyday, you haven't been forgotten mate, i'll get it sorted as soon as poss! As i said on the phone if needs be we'll rip them out and put something else in

 

[JohnnyE]

0.1 of a second down isn't as bad as i was expecting! I'm on at GT Racing everyday, you haven't been forgotten mate, i'll get it sorted as soon as poss! As i said on the phone if needs be we'll rip them out and put something else in

Cant wait im itchin to find a couple of seconds

 

[shiftspark]

Cant wait im itchin to find a couple of seconds

How are the cams coming along Johnny ? need a bit of competition at the next event lol

 

[JohnnyE]

How are the cams coming along Johnny ? need a bit of competition at the next event lol

Hi Colin. Still the same nowts been done yet. I spoke to Fred about 10 days ago and his supplier have not got back to him yet, i will try and chase it up this week.

 

[JohnnyE]

Colin whens your next event?? I done a 2 dayer this weekend at Blyton this weekend...

 

[shiftspark]

Hi Johnny

I have just sent off a very late entry for the Chester MC 3 sisters 2 lapper on the 5th August as they are accepting late entries with no penalty, looks like the financial situation for people is taking effect.

I have also tried to get Russ out......

What about you?

 

[JohnnyE]

Hi Johnny

I have just sent off a very late entry for the Chester MC 3 sisters 2 lapper on the 5th August as they are accepting late entries with no penalty, looks like the financial situation for people is taking effect.

I have also tried to get Russ out......

What about you?

Ive just booked Aintree 1/9/12 and i might do Wigan. How do i book??

 

[shiftspark]

Ive just booked Aintree 1/9/12 and i might do Wigan. How do i book??

http://www.chestermotorclub.co.uk/

 

[JohnnyE]

I will sort it tonight when I get home

 

[sprintcup]

Hello John, see you and Colin on the 5th, just had the confirmation and it's passed it's MOT, just need to raise the suspension back up about 10-15mm, should of had it set to standard ride height and started there but don't have time, and well done at Blyton as well.

Regards Russ....

 

[JohnnyE]

Hello John, see you and Colin on the 5th, just had the confirmation and it's passed it's MOT, just need to raise the suspension back up about 10-15mm, should of had it set to standard ride height and started there but don't have time, and well done at Blyton as well.

Regards Russ....

Nice one Russ we can give Colin some serious competition now, i just need to get my car sorted lol

 

[sprintcup]

Nice one Russ we can give Colin some serious competition now, i just need to get my car sorted lol

Hows it going with that, any news John?

Regards Russ.......

 

[JohnnyE]

Hows it going with that, any news John?

Regards Russ.......

Hi Russ I need to try and chase it up this week its been going on a bit to long now me thinks.

Looking forward to Wigan and Aintree

 

[Fred@BTM]

ready whenever you are (not this week though) am i collecting?? i want to keep the car for a few days

 

[JohnnyE]

ready whenever you are (not this week though) am i collecting?? i want to keep the car for a few days

I have a sprint next Sunday so i will try and sort myself a lift down to you after that but it might be in the evening as ive got a lot of work on at the moment.
I will ring you once ive sorted a lift and see if it fits in with you

 

[Space Cadet]

Sorry to highjack the thread a bit but this thread has been good reading as Dr Faulks will soon be fitting some uprated cams in my 172. It’s currently at 202bhp / 175ftlb with ITB's, de-cat & EC1 etc. I think Matt mentioned fitting 428's and we’d be looking at 215-220bhp and 185ftlb but it appears from this thread that there are 438's available, is it therefore worth going for something wilder than the 428's?? The car is a track-car foremost but must be drivable to and from the track. (James - will also soon be having Alcons fitted!!)

 

[The Dominator]

From what I have been told 438's and ITB's are not worth doing 421's maybe a better choice

 

[sonny172cup]

Sorry to highjack the thread a bit but this thread has been good reading as Dr Faulks will soon be fitting some uprated cams in my 172. It’s currently at 202bhp / 175ftlb with ITB's, de-cat & EC1 etc. I think Matt mentioned fitting 428's and we’d be looking at 215-220bhp and 185ftlb but it appears from this thread that there are 438's available, is it therefore worth going for something wilder than the 428's?? The car is a track-car foremost but must be drivable to and from the track. (James - will also soon be having Alcons fitted!!)

I have 438s with ITB, Gen90 ecu with 182 manifold and a 200cell racing cat and it made 204bhp at Ktec.

 

[The Dominator]

438's are making somewere in the region of 194-196 from what I have seen without ITB's so I imagine with maybe different cam's you could see better results

 

[Space Cadet]

Thanks, I got the impression 421's are for standard engines & ECU whereas 428's are for ITB's & stand-alone ECU's. I'm just wondering if I could go wilder?

 

[mark123]

Other way around really 428s are milder.

Thanks, I got the impression 421's are for standard engines & ECU whereas 428's are for ITB's & stand-alone ECU's. I'm just wondering if I could go wilder?

 

[mitch1503]

yep as above 428's for standard management and 421's for stand alone n ITB's

 

[Silent_Scone]

428s are mild, mine still made 208 bhp and 179ftlbs though.