clio 172 vs 172 cup prices???

[graham_172]

Excuse me for being out of place, if needing correction.

I'm in the market for a clio 172 or cup. 2002 onwards but the prices for 172's with all the gadgets etc are almost £1000 cheaper than the cup which has a cloth interior and hardly any frills.

I know the cup is a track based car but come on, it was cheaper than the standard 172 from new.

What is going on?

 

[Chris n nic]

Maybe less people are bothered about xenons and air con than some people think lol

chris

 

[John D]

Are you sure your not confusing ph1 172's and ph 2 172's. A 172 Cup can be had for less than a ph2 172 surely. But ph 1 (pre face lift) 172's are cheapest of all.

Cups are becoming an endangered species though. And are the best

 

[Englebert]

No, the Cup costs more. It is more exclusive, so not suprising.

 

[graham_172]

i see. so what do I go for? I am doing 4 or f5 track days and I play on country lanes all the time.

 

[John D]

Cup if your doing track days - its the only place it will have any real 'edge' over the standard 172.

As long as you can live without the toys of course.

 

[Jazz Maverick]

This is probably a little bit cheeky :nono: but if you're interested I'm selling my beloved 2003 172 (not Cup) at the moment. It's only got just over 26k miles on the clock, metallic black, around £6.8k. It's on the pistonheads website for pics etc if you want a closer look.

Just a thought....and apologies if this isn't the done thing

 

[lewisniven]

cup spoiler, turinis, exclusive colour (mondial blue), splitter, harder sus, all these things make it in realisty a more desireable car. plus there are fewer and fewer of them about. FF172's are pretty common, hence they depriciate more.

 

[Big Iain]

the cup is actually the most common if u include colour even then its not far off even with 2400 cups made and 3000 FF made all different colours though. Bar the colur of the cup all other parts can be added or thrown away fom a ff to get the cup effect!!

 

[_Kenny_]

When I was looking at 172s the majority of Cups were cheaper than FF 172s, even Cups with very low miles.

 

[FlamingMonkey]

All the decent Cups are more expensive, there are a lot of shitty cups about, I have seen most of them in the last few weeks I reckon, these are cheap priced to sell, decent cup and decent FF my money would be on the Cup.

While im on the subject, why does renault have steering wheels that are made from chocolate, almost All the 172s I have looked at, the steering wheels looked like a melted welly, not bad if your that bloke from Robocop

 

[172cupwizard]

the cup is actually the most common if u include colour even then its not far off even with 2400 cups made and 3000 FF made all different colours though. Bar the colur of the cup all other parts can be added or thrown away fom a ff to get the cup effect!!

Not true! The cup has uprated subframe and bench tested engine! Edde dont even start. :rasp:

 

[lewisniven]

most normal buyers dont want to buy a car and then change the spoiler/wheels etc anyway. Cups looks more agressive (better) too, which to the average buyer, is a good thing, hence the higher price. 172FF looks more like a standard clio (at a glance, to the untrained eye) imo.

 

[team_penetrator]

most normal buyers dont want to buy a car and then change the spoiler/wheels etc anyway. Cups looks more agressive (better) too, which to the average buyer, is a good thing, hence the higher price. 172FF looks more like a standard clio (at a glance, to the untrained eye) imo.

Plus FFs look suspiciously like 1.2s unless you know what you are looking for...

Im sure the alloys are the same as the non sport models????

 

[lewisniven]

they are, but just an inch bigger.

 

[team_penetrator]

What a stupid idea...

Hoestly, before I started looking at Clios I couldnt spot an FF without looking twice, wheras a cup always stood out...

 

[John D]

the cup is actually the most common if u include colour even then its not far off even with 2400 cups made and 3000 FF made all different colours though. Bar the colur of the cup all other parts can be added or thrown away fom a ff to get the cup effect!!

I think your forgetting all the crashed Cups

 

[John D]

When I was looking at 172s the majority of Cups were cheaper than FF 172s, even Cups with very low miles.

Ditto.

And that was only last summer

 

[Big Iain]

I fail to see what makes a cup look more aggressive or does the horn go RRRRAAAAAAAAR!!! instead of beep beep? Uprated subframe lol thats the best one I heard yet, I really hope u are takin the piss. And yeah I forgot about all the crashed ones lol!!!

 

[Jazz Maverick]

Obviously it's all down to personal choice, but I had a bit of a dilema over the Cup vs Std 172 when I bought mine a couple of yrs ago. For me it just boiled down to the fact that you have to drive the car everyday over our "Great" British road network....hence I'm grateful for the creature comforts and the slightly softer suspension (still find the normal 172 rattles your fillings out on some roads).

Agree that the Cup looks slightly more agreesive but I thought the effort that they made on the interior was woeful IMO

 

[Alan]

I fail to see what makes a cup look more aggressive or does the horn go RRRRAAAAAAAAR!!! instead of beep beep? Uprated subframe lol thats the best one I heard yet, I really hope u are takin the piss. And yeah I forgot about all the crashed ones lol!!!

You crack me up sir!! lol

 

[brisa4984]

reselling a 172cup is shite.. people want more for their money when buying second hand. That is unless the some one (minority) is looking for the cup specifically. New, the cup was cheaper but now the FFs are becoming more so and in my opinon it hurts cup owners to sell at such a low price.

IMO Think prices of cups are going to crash like mad soon (literally too ). If you want creature comforts but cup ability all you have to do is. get FF, + coils + throw back wheel out + get on a treadmil to loose fat. Walla. alot cheaper than an extra 2k

 

[Big Iain]

Aint the cups meant to be 3.00340506mm lower too? IMO thte evil glow of the mean old xenons there make a ff look more aggreassive!!!

 

[brisa4984]

then just deflate the tyres to get rude boy low.

 

[Alan]

Best comparison pic i've ever seen ^

Loved your black 172!!

 

[Alan]

the just deflate the tyre to get rude boy low.

Lol comment!!

 

[lewisniven]

The cup is supposed to be lower yes, but i swear all the FF's looks lower than my cup. The cup is a serious b-road weapon tho.

 

[Jazz Maverick]

I made the annual pilgrimage to Le Mans in my FF 172 this year. I think the Cup driver I pulled up next to at the lights would have backed the arguament for the FF 172 in the 35 degree temperature down there.....it was a bit parky in my car with all that uneccessary air con.

 

[Chris n nic]

lol So what you are saying is if you drive to Le Mans for a few days a year buy a FF?

Chris

 

[Jazz Maverick]

Exactly......I'm glad someone's paying attention :approve:

 

[rabbos]

You can get cups with climate control for the lemans trips, or any other place where betty swollocks might be an issue.

 

[len_beach]

Cups are cheaper than FF's, just look in the 'For Sale' section for proof of that. You don't see many FF's for sale for £4950 let alone the £5500 another one is up for.

FF is a better buy as there will be a wider audience interested rather than more dedicated enthusiasts.

 

[Gaz_]

Thats on here though chap, people always undersell on forums. Look on the trader and it pretty even tbh

 

[jason isbell]

the cup is actually the most common if u include colour even then its not far off even with 2400 cups made and 3000 FF made all different colours though. Bar the colur of the cup all other parts can be added or thrown away fom a ff to get the cup effect!!

I think your forgetting all the crashed Cups

anybody know how many cups are still living?

 

[lewisniven]

with the amount of them i see on ebay being broken, and pics on here of them smashed up, id say 1. mine.

 

[TJ182]

Fair play the cup is a super car, but you dont pay more for it over a FF year for year and miles model. You are shooting yourself in the foot. You don't get zenons, decent interior, climate control, and so on.

I have rarely seen one proced more. They are booked priced less and when you come to sell it you will no doubtedly get less so dont pay more for less!!!

And unless you are 20 stone lighter than the fat bast in the FF you wont go any faster.

 

[BREMBO]

Have been noticing this as-well, the CUP is more rare and is a very cool car!

 

[Big Iain]

its only rarer because every c**t keeps crashing them.

2300 cups in one colour as appose to the most common ff colour of silver 1300???

rarer?

 

[lewisniven]

theres got to be more than 1300 silver 172's, theyre common as muck.

 

[team_penetrator]

Maybe Cup prices are kept up by the people who read road tests of the two cars before choosing....