clio 182T yey or ney?

[DMS]

Thing is if you have an almost bog standard looking Clio 172 (like moi), Scooby drivers are going to assume they'll obliterate you off the lights (because they all think their cars are the fastest cars in the world and nothing can touch them).
There's nothing more satisfying than tearing Scooby / M3 drivers a new arse hole off the lights (apart from maybe shooting one's muck up Megan Fox... probably...)

 

[Peperami]

I can see what you're saying, but i think id rather be the guy driving the evo for the same money? I guess its horses for courses, and must be satisfying.

I wonder if you could just get the bus and bed megan fox for £11k?

 

[W17GLE]

ha ha you wouldn't beat a scooby or evo if they did a proper launch. rexe had an wrx impreza and yes it was slow but when he did a 5k launch the clio wouldn't have a chance of the line. He's got an evo v now and thats would dick the scooby. no matter what power you have in the clio it will not beat an evo or scooby doing a proper full on launch.

 

[Peperami]

But would it beat a night in bed with the fox?

 

[W17GLE]

nope

 

[DMS]

The way I see it is that with a 280bhp / 280lb/ft ish Clio with a bit of weight stripped out, you've essentially got round about 300bhp/ton.
That's more than a Porsche 911 turbo 996 and nearly as much as the new 997.
Fair enough the Clio might not have the same traction off the line, but when rolling it makes for a VERY quick car.

 

[Joshua.J]

Do u really need all this power though on todays roads? if your not stuck in traffic your stuck behind a tosser, if your not stuck your being watched by coppers every where and if theres no coppers there's speed cameras every 200yrds. I was actually thinking about turbo on my 172 but id rather have a seat leon that i can drive in comfort and do a 300 pound remap and have 300bhp then spend 5k on a rattle can and have 250bhp.

I love the clio but hate the build

 

[sideways danny]

If you're looking for it to get you from A to B without any hassle, forget it.

(Going by what I've read in the forced induction projects).

you're going off DIY home builds. people screw up. dont base your judgement on home brew hack jobs that try to run the stock ECU

 

[W17GLE]

yeah but you said off the line. ok once rolling but off the line it wouldn't stand a chance against a properly driven scooby or evo

 

[sideways danny]

yeah but you said off the line. ok once rolling ok but off the line it wouldn't stand a chance against a properly driven scooby or evo

guff

 

[T.Trophy]

you're going off DIY home builds. people screw up. dont base your judgement on home brew hack jobs that try to run the stock ECU

Damn those stock ECUs, that ktec bunch and there home brew kits

 

[W17GLE]

clio's spin up at the slightest little spec of damp on the road you'd have to be on some stupidly grippy tarmac to get off the line quicker

 

[gaz44]

The way I see it is that with a 280bhp / 280lb/ft ish Clio with a bit of weight stripped out, you've essentially got round about 300bhp/ton.
That's more than a Porsche 911 turbo 996 and nearly as much as the new 997.
Fair enough the Clio might not have the same traction off the line, but when rolling it makes for a VERY quick car.

Stats are all very well but there is no way it's hanging with a 911 Turbo.

 

[sideways danny]

Damn those stock ECUs, that ktec bunch and there home brew kits

taken rather out of context i think you paid for the mechanical work to be done, the sensible way. And once you upgrade your ECU, you'll see Night and day difference.

 

[rexe]

I say no... its a waste of £££ which could be put to better things, if you want big power buy a car with big power from the off. saves a lot of money, time effort. etc.

This is strange me saying this after building loads of stuff over the years lol.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

Whats yours running mate?

260bhp with a blowing center, decat and backbox (exhaust has had a hard life bless it)

Exactly, nice evo 5 or something for 6k, done.

Love these comparisons of what cars you could get instead lol. Anyone stopped and thought about the petrol, insurance, parts and 4500k service costs, or is all of that free?

I'd prefer the Clio, it's newer, cheaper to run as well as being much faster.

 

[Fred@BTM]

^i saw a ford Ka with the exact same sticker on it today, i did chuckle!

 

[W17GLE]

Is there any need for a turbo on a clio? i've never once found mine too slow apart from trying to keep up with rexe's evo and even if i had it turbo'd i'd struggle as he can get the power down far quicker pulling out of corners or off roundabouts.

 

[Bazzon]

Is there any need for a turbo on a clio? i've never once found mine too slow apart from trying to keep up with rexe's evo and even if i had it turbo'd i'd struggle as he can get the power down far quicker pulling out of corners or off roundabouts.

My thoughts on the matter aswell especially if its only a road car. How ever if its a track car its fun

 

[T.Trophy]

Have either of you actually driven a high powered clio?

Well then thats probably part of the reason you dont understand.

W17GLE if your struggling to get the power down coming out of bends in a stock 172 then you really need to get some decent tyres and/or suspension looked at as I have no problems at all.

Bazzon Trackdays in cars are for losers

 

[DMS]

Have either of you actually driven a high powered clio?

Well then thats probably part of the reason you dont understand.

I was thinking that myself. I've noticed that everyone being critical of boosted Clio's in this thread doesn't actually own one, and yet they're all throwing opinions round like they somehow know more about them than the owners do.
Yes it's illogical. Yes it's completely unnecessary and yes you could just buy a faster car to start with. But that's the boring option.

 

[Bazzon]

Have either of you actually driven a high powered clio?

Well then thats probably part of the reason you dont understand.

W17GLE if your struggling to get the power down coming out of bends in a stock 172 then you really need to get some decent tyres and/or suspension looked at as I have no problems at all.

Bazzon Trackdays in cars are for losers

Yes i have a ITBd car running over 200 BHP currently and it will be runnning 230+ in January, But i find when i drive this car on the road the power it has is never used to its full potential. I can fully understand the wanting to modify a car.

But i can honestly say i have never put myself/found my self in a situation on the road where i need more power than my 182 has.

As for Car Trackdays, i discussed this with you in lenght in another post, I dont like bikes, my father had a dreadful accident on one So i dont go near them. I enjoy my track days as much as you enjoy dressing like a power ranger though.

/Adrian.

 

[Poopensharten]

I like the idea of a 182 Turbo but i dont like the idea of doing it myself if that makes any sort of sense.

Im more of the opinion if you want somthing fast then buy a fast car but horses for courses and all that etc

 

[T.Trophy]

Yes i have a ITBd car running over 200 BHP currently and it will be runnning 230+ in January, But i find when i drive this car on the road the power it has is never used to its full potential. I can fully understand the wanting to modify a car.

But i can honestly say i have never put myself/found my self in a situation on the road where i need more power than my 182 has.

As for Car Trackdays, i discussed this with you in lenght in another post, I dont like bikes, my father had a dreadful accident on one So i dont go near them. I enjoy my track days as much as you enjoy dressing like a power ranger though.

/Adrian.

Adrian, I know the reasons why your not into bikes and the previous comment was meant in good jest hence the smiley.

It's difficult to compare a turbo set up to ITB's yes your car may put out 230 bhp but you can gaurantee it will be right at the very top of its rev range and I'm almost certain that you will have to sacrifice some mid range performance to achieve the top end results.

What are you looking to cap the rev limit at to achieve 230bhp? And how much is this going to cost for the components and full rebuild with high comp forged internals? You'lll probably find that the costs are not to dissimilar.

Obviously if I used my car exclusively on track then I would of , in all honesty went for itbs the whole thrill of high reving engines is part of the attraction to bikes for me. The fact that mines a road car means forced induction with a flexible decent midrange is the better option.

It really is horses for courses as mentioned but untill people experience the fun of a 250+ clio they won't quite get it.

Steve

 

[Magic Johnson]

Nobody's doubting the fun and games of it all, it's when things start to go wrong with them. They are specialist cars and the OP has said he doesn't know a lot about them. Plus living quite a bit away from the specialist he'd have to take it to when it does go t1ts up is another negative.

 

[Darren S]

is there more power to be had from a supercharged 1*2 over a turbod version

It could have double the power over the turbo, but superchargers just sound shite to me. Pathetic, feeble whine of a noise. I purposely drove the MCS so slowly that I didn't have to hear it. But then you got to a corner and the power-steering pump noise took over the instant you turned. :dead:

The supercharger has many, many benefits over a turbo for pure daily driving, imo. Much quicker (ney - instant) delivery of power and that tied to normal delivery of the 182 engine is a very good match. I'd still prefer a turbo though.

D.

 

[T.Trophy]

Nobody's doubting the fun and games of it all, it's when things start to go wrong with them. They are specialist cars and the OP has said he doesn't know a lot about them. Plus living quite a bit away from the specialist he'd have to take it to when it does go t1ts up is another negative.

Very good comment mate, and with that in mind you'd be better off given it a miss. Once you put yourself into a position where your at the mercy of a specialist you can kiss your bank balance goodbye LOL

 

[Magic Johnson]

Very good comment mate, and with that in mind you'd be better off given it a miss. Once you put yourself into a position where your at the mercy of a specialist you can kiss your bank balance goodbye LOL

That is EXACTLY what I've been saying, yet am being ridiculed for 'not knowing anything'.

I would never advise somebody to build a computer and overclock it if they don't know much about them, yet it's clearly the best bang for your buck option and you get far more power if you do it that way. I would advise them to get a Dell or something.

Which is what I'm doing here, same applies. Get a fast standard car if you don't know much about heavy modifications.

 

[iimushroomzii]

That is EXACTLY what I've been saying, yet am being ridiculed for 'not knowing anything'.

I would never advise somebody to build a computer and overclock it if they don't know much about them, yet it's clearly the best bang for your buck option and you get far more power if you do it that way. I would advise them to get a Dell or something.

Which is what I'm doing here, same applies. Get a fast standard car if you don't know much about heavy modifications.

I disagree! There are lots of people with heavily modified cars who know naff all about them!

 

[Magic Johnson]

I disagree! There are lots of people with heavily modified cars who know naff all about them!

Could be! But they could pay to have it maintained etc without this. The OP doesn't have these endless funds and is far away from a specialist.

 

[T.Trophy]

I disagree! There are lots of people with heavily modified cars who know naff all about them!

I agree, however there also the ones who are always back at the place getting work done as there incapable of doing it themselves.

For example I had a mysterious oil leak on my car cam belt side of the engine. Because of the cam covers it looked as though it was the oil sump gasket had gone. I assumed it was where Ktec had removed the oil sump to fit my turbo oil return.

Now I live in Sunderland and obviously ktec are way down south, they were willing to sort it out under good faith if I could get my car down to them (easy enough just have it recovered) now imagine the costs of going down to pick it back up and the fact that it was actually an exhasut cam seal that had gone (which obviously required the cam belt/pulleys off) it could easily of been £700+ in travel costs, labour etc....

Fortunatley I'm a bit switched on so I stripped it down myself and put a new £3 seal in. Easy and I'm now hundreds of pounds better off.

Steve

 

[Gaz_]

260bhp with a blowing center, decat and backbox (exhaust has had a hard life bless it)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz-kev
Exactly, nice evo 5 or something for 6k, done.

Love these comparisons of what cars you could get instead lol. Anyone stopped and thought about the petrol, insurance, parts and 4500k service costs, or is all of that free?

I'd prefer the Clio, it's newer, cheaper to run as well as being much faster.

Yes i have. Both 2L Turbos....... Insurance if PROPERLY declared would be the similar i'd have thought. Then you have all those gearbox replacements...... Least an evo/scoob can take the power, 182's cant if this place is anything to go by.........

 

[W17GLE]

I was thinking about this and by the time you have bought a 182 and turbo'd it you will have spent about 12k. You could buy a decent evo v probably with exhaust and filter already fitted for about 6k then get it mapped for £500 will give you about 350bhp you could then use the save money to pay insurance and servicing cost for a very long time or you could use the 6k on tuning and have a car that will be far faster than a turbo'd clio and still be able to handle the power.

 

[Gaz_]

+1, you could have a really nice sorted motor for 7-8k without any of the hassle of running a standard NA with a Turbo conversion. Proper can of worms imo. Dont think i've ever seen one on here without some kind of running fault?

 

[Christophe]

i guess it comes down to how much balls you have to go ahead with it. As much as i'd love to do it i never would as the thought of spending 10k in total on modifying a clio would make me feel very guilty. And the thought of problems which may occur doesn't help. i'm sure you could get a car and remap it and get 300bhp for less than a turbo/sc clio.

 

[DMS]

Mine doesn't have any running issues whatsoever.
And if it ends up chewing gearboxes when running 20 odd PSI I'll get over it. The car isn't going to be a daily driver for much longer anyway.

And for those who are going on about insurance, mine costs £622 a year fully comp with ALL mods declared - right down to the make and model of the components used in the conversion.
When I got a quote for an Evo 8 FQ320 not too long ago, same circumstances, the cheapest I could find anywhere was £1,870. Then it'd need servicing every 4500 yards.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

Yes i have. Both 2L Turbos....... Insurance if PROPERLY declared would be the similar i'd have thought. Then you have all those gearbox replacements...... Least an evo/scoob can take the power, 182's cant if this place is anything to go by.........

You can speculate all day, but nothing there is based on any kind of facts, only assumptions.

Insurance: £550
Gearbox, clutch, bottom end, head, cams: 110k+, never been replaced, all absolutely fine.

172/182 can take the power easily, sure, you hear horror stories, but people are hardly likely to title a thread "Morning, my car works fine ".

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

You can speculate all day, but nothing there is based on any kind of facts, only assumptions.

Insurance: £550
Gearbox, clutch, bottom end, head, cams: 110k+, never been replaced, all absolutely fine.

172/182 can take the power easily, sure, you hear horror stories, but people are hardly likely to title a thread "Morning, my car works fine ".

Also how many cars that were correctly setup by tuners were then modified badly by there owners to give more power.......................

I know of a fair few that only blew up because the owner decided they knew more than the tuner.

Each to there own and I love the 'charged cars but I'll just leave my engine standardish for the moment and play with the chassis to have more fun on track.

 

[W17GLE]

those insurance quotes are ace for the clio then. I was quoted £980 just for a wrx impreza. How big an increase was it over your policy when it was standard? I still don't think it would keep up withan evo but its something i'd be willing to do if i knew it was cheap to insure. My clio costs £630 now as a second car with no ncb attached to it.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

strangely the insurance is cheaper than if it were standard and cheaper than our other car which is group 17 insurance.

As for keeping up with Evo's, Chris n Nic will tell you, as his cup was all over a Rallyart Evo when we did the Evo Triangle