Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideways)

[Ed.200]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Just to be clear, that was a gifted overtake - I was on a cool down lap!
And my wheels stand out like anything lol

I only have the tail end of your spin, just lots of smoke in the distance

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Just to be clear, that was a gifted overtake - I was on a cool down lap!
And my wheels stand out like anything lol

I only have the tail end of your spin, just lots of smoke in the distance

Hope this doesnt sound arrogant mate but I overtook so many clios so many times during the day and the speed difference was just so huge that from within my car it was kind of hard to tell when the other cars were trying to when they werent as I could so easily pull from them either way on the way out of the bends, it was only entry speed that differed really.

 

[Ed.200]

Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sidew

Haha not in the slightest mate, was just trying to salvage some dignity by being overtaken by almost everything
Was not meant to be serious, just a joke!

 

[Dan@SJM]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

I need to free up a few weekends to get mine done after driving this. It's just so driveable, I certainly want throttle/boost control when chip maps it

 

[MG cup]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Yes he did. It's certainly noticeable.

The Quaife behaves quite like an open diff by spinning inside wheel and spinning after touching kerbs which I was surprised at. Maybe its a bit much power for its use but I bet it made an alright improvement.

Goes like s**t watching the videos again, looks a good track as well for an old airfield. I take it your not running a dump or recirculating valve with all the chatter?

 

[Dan@SJM]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

It left a set of 11's out of a corner when I drove it lol.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

I need to free up a few weekends to get mine done after driving this. It's just so driveable, I certainly want throttle/boost control when chip maps it

I might not do quite as good a job of making yours so controllable, I need to make up for my lack of talent compared to you I think judging by the annihilation I suffered at karting!

 

[JaredHasNoBrain]

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[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

The Quaife behaves quite like an open diff by spinning inside wheel and spinning after touching kerbs which I was surprised at. Maybe its a bit much power for its use but I bet it made an alright improvement.

If you have a wheel off the ground completely then it will just spin the power away on that one, but so long as you have at least some resistance it does a reasonable job of spreading the torque out.
Its certainly MUCH better than an open diff with the amount of power I have, I still think Mike got the original spec perfect for a basic turbo conversion, the extra power and especially the extra torque mine has does require other changes to the car to work well.
Been thinking about turbo'ing the mrs one as well at some point (but will keep the RS2 as she wont let me cut the bonnet about for a 197 inlet on her car) and if I do then I will be aiming for only about 230-240bhp or so and no more than 230-240lbft I think, nice high comp and very low boost so it drives as much like an N/A car as possibly but without the lag of an N/A car.

Goes like s**t watching the videos again, looks a good track as well for an old airfield. I take it your not running a dump or recirculating valve with all the chatter?

Thanks, it does go well
No valve on it mate, that sound is just the pressure coming back through the filter.

 

[mozzer_morrey]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

awesome video chip. That clio flys, I want one!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

awesome video chip. That clio flys, I want one!

Thanks mate.

Its not been mega cheap to get to this spec but I cant think of anything else for the money I would sooner have at the moment really, so Im quite pleased with it.

That said, you could do it as per the spec it originally was and it still be 90% as good fun for 50% of the cost of course, its always the way that its a law of diminishing returns.

 

[MG cup]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

If you have a wheel off the ground completely then it will just spin the power away on that one, but so long as you have at least some resistance it does a reasonable job of spreading the torque out.
Its certainly MUCH better than an open diff with the amount of power I have, I still think Mike got the original spec perfect for a basic turbo conversion, the extra power and especially the extra torque mine has does require other changes to the car to work well.
Been thinking about turbo'ing the mrs one as well at some point (but will keep the RS2 as she wont let me cut the bonnet about for a 197 inlet on her car) and if I do then I will be aiming for only about 230-240bhp or so and no more than 230-240lbft I think, nice high comp and very low boost so it drives as much like an N/A car as possibly but without the lag of an N/A car.


Yeah i bet its fine in a straight line just seems to spin inside wheels a lot. Im glad I bought a gripper but I wouldn't fit one on a regular road car. I always wondered if the RS2 would hold a good bit of boost, what psi do you think it could hold?


Thanks, it does go well
No valve on it mate, that sound is just the pressure coming back through the filter.

Yeah that's why I asked, it stalls the turbo aswell as I'm sure you know but sounds epic doing it.

 

[mozzer_morrey]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Thanks mate.

Its not been mega cheap to get to this spec but I cant think of anything else for the money I would sooner have at the moment really, so Im quite pleased with it.

That said, you could do it as per the spec it originally was and it still be 90% as good fun for 50% of the cost of course, its always the way that its a law of diminishing returns.

i've got a lot of saving to yet and third year of uni to finish. Cant even afford to put the low and slow 1.4 on the road. Ill get one eventually!

 

[sbridgey]

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Your Turbo clio was f**king quick in a straight line! I was on the main straight and I looked in my mirror and saw a little black rocket catching me at approximately 1 billion mph, it got a but hairy when we got to the chicane as you hadn't passed me and i wasn't sure exactly where you were.

 

[dmallett]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Awesome chip! i like the noises it makes

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Your Turbo clio was f**king quick in a straight line! I was on the main straight and I looked in my mirror and saw a little black rocket catching me at approximately 1 billion mph, it got a but hairy when we got to the chicane as you hadn't passed me and i wasn't sure exactly where you were.

The handling in the morning sessions was pretty ropey, I had to raise the suspension to clear the high sidewall tyres and it threw the tracking out but me and dan reset it at lunch by eye and it was a lot better. Will get it to protyre or see if I can borrow cooksports setup again before its next outing.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Awesome chip! i like the noises it makes

When dan was driving it and I got to hear it from the pits I though it sounded epic, powerful noise without being too over the top.

 

[MartinR]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Bloody hell Chip that is one awesome clio!! Great bit of driving too

Next time i'm visiting family in Okehampton i will drop my car off(if not to far) and a large chunk of money so you can turbo mine

 

[JohnnyE]

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Car looks awesome on track mate gutted i missed out was really looking forward to giving my car decent run...................

 

[jack_davey]

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s**t a brick!

I have got to attend a trackday just to get a passenger ride in this car it looks sensational!

 

[Clart]

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Impressive. The silver ph1 puts up a valiant effort.

 

[Coops Mk1]

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mikes phase 1 doesn't half shift, I mean a turbo adds something but he's clean away on the corners!

nice work though chippio, if I catch you at some point i'd like to see the diff difference and see if its worth the investment, seems your box is holding up......

 

[McGherkin]

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If anyone asks you what happened just tell them it was a reverse entry drift and got maximum points for angle, style and entry speed

 

[Stefan.]

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Jeez your shifts, makes a cracking noise too as said the silver ph1 goes well too

I want more power :dapprove:

 

[SharkyUK]

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PMSL at the way the M3 disappears as you exited the corner...

That looks like a very nicely setup boosted engine mate - congrats! I can't wait to see it in the metal.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

mikes phase 1 doesn't half shift, I mean a turbo adds something but he's clean away on the corners!

i was on a cool down lap for my brakes when I was following mike on that vid, when I took oli out though and was behind mike I hung off his bumper on every bend just to show how little if any difference there is on the two engines for cornering ability.

Mike was going really well (especially considering his car had no engine or rear beam the night before) but when I was trying to I could stay with him for every bend and blast past him on any straight.

nice work though chippio, if I catch you at some point i'd like to see the diff difference and see if its worth the investment, seems your box is holding up......

Biggest difference on mine now is the boost request input from the tps but the diff has certainly helped too.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Bloody hell Chip that is one awesome clio!! Great bit of driving too

thanks, although tbh the car makes my driving look better than it is. Lol

Next time i'm visiting family in Okehampton i will drop my car off(if not to far) and a large chunk of money so you can turbo mine

lol, sorry mate I've not got enough time for the work i want to do on my own cars this year as so busy with work let alone take on anyone else's project.

Car looks awesome on track mate gutted i missed out was really looking forward to giving my car decent run...................

Thanks, Shame you couldn't make it.

s**t a brick!

I have got to attend a trackday just to get a passenger ride in this car it looks sensational!

passenger rides varied between "awesome" and "oh arse half a lap and a boost pipe popped off" on this occasion, you're welcome to a ride out but I can't offer any promise what yours will be like as its very much only being shaken down at the moment. So short of time

Impressive. The silver ph1 puts up a valiant effort.

Yeah thats mike from Mwm, he was going well all day, his 438 and bodies car and danlp6's rs2 and 197 cammed cars were having such epically long battles from being so even that they actually got told off for being so close for so long. Literally too close to call. Cracking pair of cars.

If anyone asks you what happened just tell them it was a reverse entry drift and got maximum points for angle, style and entry speed

Ha ha

Jeez your shifts, makes a cracking noise too as said the silver ph1 goes well too

I want more power :dapprove:

thanks mate, its nice to not even have to consider the next engine mod as its doing everything I wanted on its first outing. Was chuffed to bits at how it drove

PMSL at the way the M3 disappears as you exited the corner...

That looks like a very nicely setup boosted engine mate - congrats! I can't wait to see it in the metal.

Yeah I've got more torque and better power to weight so knew I would be quicker especially pulling out that corner where he'd struggle to keep his on the boil but even I was shocked at how much I was pulling from those sort of cars! There's being quicker and then there is being ridiculous. Lol.

 

[BIGASH]

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Nice vids Chip probably more exciting than the Top gear i'm about to watch lol! Well held on the slide and getting going again. The camera views are mint

 

[Sir_Dave]

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As i said in the passenger lap, bloody quick, but seems to drive almost N/A like. Great work tbh.

Bet my Trophy felt like a right slug in comparison lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

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As i said in the passenger lap, bloody quick, but seems to drive almost N/A like. Great work tbh.

Thanks mate, I thought you would be someone who could appreciate the extra control compared to most turbo motors, ultimately what we all want is something that feels like a V8 but weighs like a 2 litre, and I reckon ive got reasonably close

Bet my Trophy felt like a right slug in comparison lol

Lol, really enjoyed the passenger ride mate, your driving is bang on, super smooth, car felt like it was missing a couple of plug leads compared to mine but then so does our own RS2 car as well so certainly it didnt stop me enjoying it for what it was.

 

[Lal B3N]

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Nice videos. Car looks seriously quick.

Shame your so far away, would love a passenger ride in it. Maybe one day.

 

[Chip-mk1]

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Nice videos. Car looks seriously quick.

Shame your so far away, would love a passenger ride in it. Maybe one day.

Yeah thats the only problem with forums, all these people you chat to online and would like to meet up with for a pint and to compare cars etc and then they live 5 hours away!

 

[mr.pink87]

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Fook me, that thing is rapid! Good work Gentleman!

 

[Chip-mk1]

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Fook me, that thing is rapid! Good work Gentleman!

Thanks mate, I was really pleased with how it drove.

For a fully trimmed road car with rear seats and a radio etc, it was managing real in a lot of track prepped stuf pretty readily in both the twisty and straight parts.

Case of looking at upgrades for brakes next I guess, then maybe suspension although this is only meant to be a cheap and cheerful temporary car till the mk1 is done and TBH I have already got a bit carried away with the budget

 

[Jakey92]

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Bravo, those cars didn't know what hit em'

310lbft and 280bhp, but more importantly, I have the boost mapped against throttle angle as the user torque request element of the algorythm so it means that im only running that torque when I want it, it doesnt run away with you like a lot of turbo cars do.

This is full throttle curve and 3/4 throttle curve overlaid:

but if you just give it half throttle it is like an ITB car in terms of making moderate torque but holding onto it all the way up:

P.S - I love those graphs! Very well done with the mapping

 

[Chip-mk1]

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Thanks mate.

Certainly drives like a totally different car now with the boost control strategy controlled by a 3d map of rpm versus throttle angle.

Only takes a few mins to setup on the Mtech V4 ECU as well, and once done initially would literally be a 30 seconds change now if I wanted to tame it down for wet days etc.

 

[Jakey92]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Only takes a few mins to setup on the Mtech V4 ECU as well, and once done initially would literally be a 30 seconds change now if I wanted to tame it down for wet days etc.

Sounds like a nice bit of kit

No valve on it mate, that sound is just the pressure coming back through the filter.

Also, would it not be better to run a re-circ as I had read somewhere that the pressure coming through the filter can stun the turbo and decrease its life?!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Clio turbo out at bedford (inc following Mikes ITB car and a huge 100mph+ sideway

Sounds like a nice bit of kit

Yeah they are a very very capable ECU if you know how to map them properly.

Also, would it not be better to run a re-circ as I had read somewhere that the pressure coming through the filter can stun the turbo and decrease its life?!

Re-circ are more designed for mass air flow based fuelling algortyhm TBH, easier option on a speed vs density based setup like mine would be an atmospheric dump valve, but im not really running enough boost for long enough for it to be an issue and its just one more place to get a vac leak etc.

 

[Rob G]

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Epically fast!! Looks to be set up spot on for a track car!

 

[Chip-mk1]

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Epically fast!! Looks to be set up spot on for a track car!

Thanks mate, the engine drives pretty much perfectly on track now, just need to sort some silly niggles like boost pipes blowing off and a sheared bolt for the throttle bracket on the throttle body (luckily me and danlp6 managed to exact a temp repair that works fine for now after it sheared off) and then the engine is finished really, more power would be pointless and just break the gearbox too often.