Just been reading many many discussions about CTRs and Clio Cups..... I have never ever been beaten by a Clio Cup.... They are quick but not refined. I raced one up country roads and straights and no chance at all. They seemed plagued by faults and generally cheap cars... I personally would rather spend the extra cash and get a car you know wont keep going wrong. Inside the CTR is well built unlike the CUP... Why you lot just sl*g the CTR off when you know its a better car?