Cup vs BMW 330. What u think

.Stevo.C. · Nov 22, 2013

Jeff simply said:
lmao this thread...

Holy thread revival batman.

Ex-User (19928) · Nov 22, 2013

s**t, it was from "Similar threads".

I did think it a bit strange some bloke was talking about running in a 172 cup...

Kyle 86 · Nov 22, 2013

Re: Archived Post from old forum

Ive raced a 330 ci and I destroyed it

Kyle 86 · Nov 22, 2013

Re: Archived Post from old forum

Fook me this thread is old lol

Edges · Nov 22, 2013

While we're commenting on this.. I had a e46 330ci last year and round silverstone I couldn't get past a standard 172 on 888's. Even the straights I was struggling. Then got my 182 and the Clio is so much better to drive and it's faster.

Charlie-silver172 · Nov 23, 2013

I've had a tear up with a 330ci... They ain't fast at all lol

sam JFM · Nov 23, 2013

Iv got a 330d as well as the cup and the bmw is much quicker

Edges · Nov 24, 2013

sam JFM · Nov 24, 2013

E91 ;-)

sbridgey · Nov 24, 2013

My old 328i was slower than Micks RS2's 172 up to 90-100 but not by a huge amount and then after that the beemer was faster

chris2r · Nov 24, 2013

Having owned both I would say the 330 for outright speed on a long straight, but throw a few corners in there and the clio would probably edge it. Big heavy cars the 330's!

yeecup · Nov 25, 2013

Charlie-silver172 said:
I've had a tear up with a 330ci... They ain't fast at all lol

he wasnt trying.

MarkCup · Nov 25, 2013

Wasn't he?

In my 172 Cup I stuck to the rear bumper of an M3 quite happily up to 100mph - it was only then that it started to get away from me.

chris_p · Nov 25, 2013

MarkCup said:
Wasn't he?

In my 172 Cup I stuck to the rear bumper of an M3 quite happily up to 100mph - it was only then that it started to get away from me.

I thought better of you!
A Clio will hit 100 in around 17 seconds, an M3 11.5 seconds...

I've toyed with clios in the z4 and I've been comfortably quicker. The 330 should be about even due to the extra weight.

Edges · Nov 25, 2013

I'd love to see any relatively standard clio keep with an M3 at any speed... Unless it's snowing haha. If this is the case the M3 driver wasn't trying, got a block of wood under the loud pedal, or was just toying with you

MarkCup · Nov 25, 2013

chris_p said:
I thought better of you!
A Clio will hit 100 in around 17 seconds, an M3 11.5 seconds...

I've toyed with clios in the z4 and I've been comfortably quicker. The 330 should be about even due to the extra weight.

[video=youtube_share;4Y__TC7Xv4Y]http://youtu.be/4Y__TC7Xv4Y[/video]

Watch from around 2:10...

Ol’ Tarby · Nov 25, 2013

I think that was purely driver skill there mark

MarkCup · Nov 25, 2013

In a straight line though? Not really driver skill...I was with him until the top of fourth...and our exit speeds from Lavant were similar.

chris_p · Nov 25, 2013

LOL.
Between 2.20-2.30 in the video you can clearly see the speed difference between the two cars. The instructor even points out he has the extra 'umph'!
I was actually comparing to an e46 coupe, not a slower e36 vert, but the point still remains.

Edges · Nov 25, 2013

You were exiting corners faster due to the Clio being so good. Plus he looked a bit of a tard with some of those lines. Stand by my previouscomment. Plus I was thinking e46/9* but 36's I should imagine are quicker too than a Clio

Steven103 · Nov 25, 2013

I realise you've done a lot of track days and got to know your 172 well and most likely followed the M3 for more than one lap but come on LOL...

You're on the power and gaining on him from the first apex
BMW is still at max roll angle virtually on the corner exit
BMW misses apex by 3 car widths
BMW appears to have mid-corner oversteer

added to the above:

BMW could be in wrong gear
BMW could be broken (as funny as it sounds...)
You're clearly a much better driver

MarkCup · Nov 25, 2013

chris_p said:
LOL.
Between 2.20-2.30 in the video you can clearly see the speed difference between the two cars. The instructor even points out he has the extra 'umph'!
I was actually comparing to an e46 coupe, not a slower e36 vert, but the point still remains.

I'm not disputing that at all!

From a rolling 50 ish mph up to over 100mph the M3 didn't pull out that much at all. It was only after that the extra 130bhp the M3 had showed itself.

The point is that if a standard 172 Cup can stay in touch with that M3 as above, a 330i with 70-90bhp less is more than fair game.

imprezaworks · Nov 25, 2013

I've got alot of time for you mark, love your videos etc but if your saying a Clio cup can match an m3 that's just lol. I've been on plenty of trackdays etc and there is no way if drivers are equal the Clio would compete. And on a stretch of road rolling or off the mark the m3 would tare any Clio a new one.

realnumber 1 · Nov 25, 2013

E30 M3 wouldn't:quiet:

imprezaworks · Nov 25, 2013

Don't you start lol

Sir_Dave · Nov 25, 2013

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An M3 with a non-r****d driver will absolutely r4pe a 1*2 at any speed. I know this as ive had both. At no point does a 1*2 feel 'fast', an M3 does.

A 330 is quicker than a 1*2 in gear, off the line (if your brutal), in low rev scenarios and at 80+. For normal driving they are very similar, in the twisties, the 330 wouldnt know which way the 1*2 went.

yeecup · Nov 25, 2013

MarkCup said:
Wasn't he?

In my 172 Cup I stuck to the rear bumper of an M3 quite happily up to 100mph - it was only then that it started to get away from me.

Lmfao!!!!! So a cup is as quick as an m3 up to a ton. Ok then.

Nick172Cup · Nov 25, 2013

Re: Archived Post from old forum

M3 as quick as an Clio? (chuckling)

My old 195bhp, 920kg cup failed to keep with an M3 on the straights when I was at Silverstone, and that was with me having easily faster apex speeds than him.

So I'm calling complete and utter bullshit that in a straight line a Clio is as quick as an M3.

imprezaworks · Nov 25, 2013

I had a play with a 330 years ago when I had my evo (prob similar speed to an m3, ish). He got the jump as I wasn't paying enough attention, admitadly didn't take me long to leave him, would have been a different story if it was an m3.

Ex-User (19928) · Nov 26, 2013

MarkCup said:
I'm not disputing that at all!

From a rolling 50 ish mph up to over 100mph the M3 didn't pull out that much at all. It was only after that the extra 130bhp the M3 had showed itself.

The point is that if a standard 172 Cup can stay in touch with that M3 as above, a 330i with 70-90bhp less is more than fair game.

You have no idea what was going on in the M3. They could have been short shifting or partial throttle.

Hate to say it but he wasn't trying (maybe lack of ability ofc).

A 330i will be similar straight line pace to a 172 and a little faster overall. Fact is most have auto boxes and are not driven by 'drivers'.

An M3 will rape any Clio at any speed.

Advikaz · Nov 26, 2013

To say an M3 is faster is very dependant. I've instructed in the current shape m3's and to be honest, they are no track car, the brakes are sh*t standard & they wallow about like you're land yachting. It really depends on who's peddling it. (they are however a great GT car).

A vast amount of m3 drivers can't drive them from what i've seen and there's no skill in booting it in a straight line.

With even drivers, an m3 will be a fair amount quicker over a lap. But as said before, depends on the driver.

Martin. · Nov 26, 2013

Jeff simply said:
An M3 will rape any Clio at any speed.

I'm sure Chip-mk1 will be able to prove otherwise

Eliganza · Nov 26, 2013

Some serious delusion in here, lol!

MarkCup · Nov 26, 2013

Jeff simply said:
You have no idea what was going on in the M3. They could have been short shifting or partial throttle.

Hate to say it but he wasn't trying (maybe lack of ability ofc).

A 330i will be similar straight line pace to a 172 and a little faster overall. Fact is most have auto boxes and are not driven by 'drivers'.

An M3 will rape any Clio at any speed.

I didn't get 'raped' though did I?

Back in the paddock the driver came over to speak with me...said he was doing all he could but had to let me go in the end. Watch the footage, the M3 is squiriming about through Woodcote...he was very definitely trying his hardest to keep me at bay. No partial throttle, no short shifting, and a lot of effort to keep the wee Clio behind him.

Yes he had a few crap lines and understeery moments, but we're not talking about lap times, we're talking about in a straight line...and things like that don't affect how close one car can stay to another.

It was a cabrio though so would have been hampered by an extra 100-150kgs.

JohnnyP · Nov 26, 2013

Probably the best Clio vs the worst m3.

Sounds like a good comparison

Munson · Nov 26, 2013

The BMW is a vastly superior machine.

Chip-mk1 · Nov 26, 2013

Jeff simply said:
An M3 will rape any Clio at any speed.

Here is one "raping" my Ph1 clio.

Assuming that by "rape" you mean "fail to keep up with"

Munson · Nov 26, 2013

Pretty obviously he meant any standard Clio.

imprezaworks · Nov 26, 2013

Chip obviously going to be quicker than that and most things. But if we are talking car vs car regardless of cost and you put the same money into the m3 would things not be different? Std vs std the m3 is far quicker as a road car.

Sir_Dave · Nov 26, 2013

Chip-mk1 said:
Here is one "raping" my Ph1 clio.

Assuming that by "rape" you mean "fail to keep up with"

I wonder what would happen if you bolted a turbo to an M3.