Cup vs BMW 330. What u think

[MartinR]

I wonder what would happen if you bolted a turbo to an M3.

Wall or ditch

 

[imprezaworks]

Im going to hazard a guess and say the video would be role reversed.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I wonder what would happen if you bolted a turbo to an M3.

Depends what else you did too, not all turbo conversions are the same.

M3 is a lot heavier so needs more power to go same speed.
Which means more expensive tyres, more expensive brakes, more fuel consumed.

Thats why I like my clio, running costs are still less than a standard M3, and yet its faster than one too.


I'd like a turbo M3 in principle but couldnt afford as many trackdays then, and id sooner do 20 in a clio than 10 in an M3 and be very slightly quicker.

 

[Advikaz]

Depends what else you did too, not all turbo conversions are the same.

M3 is a lot heavier so needs more power to go same speed.
Which means more expensive tyres, more expensive brakes, more fuel consumed.

Thats why I like my clio, running costs are still less than a standard M3, and yet its faster than one too.


I'd like a turbo M3 in principle but couldnt afford as many trackdays then, and id sooner do 20 in a clio than 10 in an M3 and be very slightly quicker.

Yep the ones we use get through brake pads every day as well as rear tyres! & discs every few days.

 

[Charlie-silver172]

he wasnt trying.

E46 330ci

he was trying very hard

 

[imprezaworks]

I get when people have a play, everyone does it. Can't say I've ever tried 'very hard' though as that's just a recipe for disaster.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yep the ones we use get through brake pads every day as well as rear tyres! & discs every few days.

Thats why I like clios.

Caterhams can be cheap to run and are faster, but weather is a pain and you cant take spares and tools with you easily, so its doorslammers only for me really, and bigger heavier RWD stuff is expensive to run.

So tuned FWD hatch for me is perfect blend of practicality performance and cost.

 

[ChewyB]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

I wonder if this guys clio is still on the road today. Must have had 10 gearboxes and exhausts by now. Legend.

The first ever race i had was against a 330 and i was up his (probably automatic) arse big time pushing him along. My brother who was in his BRM was watching behind and couldnt keep up. This was during my test drive day in my car before i actually bought it! oops. Had to be done. I do believe my 172 is a quick example as i managed to toast my friends pulsar when his was standard (me 3 up, him 2 up) up a hill around 120 mph. When he got a "zorst" and filter he could toast me but our top speeds were identical, if anything i could gain ever so slightly at around 142 ish.

I also raced an S3 and was reeling his 02 numberplated ass in all the way - (organised race btw)

Also (when chipped) i was pushing along a "zorsted" Escort Cosworth down the hogsback and squeezed past him at 125 in 4th gear at around 7500 rpm shouting "have some of that!!!!" at the Boyracers Wet Dream Feature car.

Also managed to match a 3 door Sierra Cosworth off the lights, if anything, pull ahead slightly.

Stayed pretty level with a zorsted Skyline GTS 2.5 tiptronic (new shape with 2-tone paint, he hangs around Guildford loads)

Id have to think twice about a 330 tho, especially if it was manual and in the correct hands. But if they only have 231 bhp then, as they weigh loads probably, their power/weight isnt going to be anything special.

p.s. i do punish my car to its maximum- all the time. In that ive had a new gearbox and the new one is on the way out - cars done 22,586 miles..... also had 2 new exhausts..........

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

I think we're being very pedantic if I have to point out I'm talking about standard for standard.

I wouldn't actually stop at saying most M3 drivers can't drive (ie use the cars potential). Despite this being an owners club - I would be surprised if 10% of members here could drive their Clios to the limit (for more than half a lap).

And Mark I'm not trying to take anything away from your video/driving (even if it has been posted more times than a v6 on fire). You can obviously pedal, and you will be well aware you can keep up with faster machinery in the hands of people that either don't want to or don't know how to drive to their cars potential.

 

[Advikaz]

Thats why I like clios.

Caterhams can be cheap to run and are faster, but weather is a pain and you cant take spares and tools with you easily, so its doorslammers only for me really, and bigger heavier RWD stuff is expensive to run.

So tuned FWD hatch for me is perfect blend of practicality performance and cost.

Yep, they're a proper handful in the wet as well Great fun

 

[yeecup]

E46 330ci

he was trying very hard

ok then. cups>>>>>everything. LOL.

 

[imprezaworks]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

I wonder if this guys clio is still on the road today. Must have had 10 gearboxes and exhausts by now. Legend.

Just lol.

 

[zim1]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

do you think v6 owners say that about 172s?

NO they don't ! Many V6 owners also have a 172/182 for daily use and even more have upgraded from a 172/182 ... in fact , it appears to be the other way round as RobFenn perfectly illustrates this in his follow-up post ! I have seen many 172/182 drivers look at me in my V6 as though I was driving a BMW 330 ! ... I do not understand ... I've owned my 172 from new and would have been over-joyed to see (and hear) a V6 on the road ...
QUOTE "No cos the V6's are crap lol , I've driven both and was getting the same times" ... this is perfectly true because the V6 is one of the hardest cars in the world to drive fast ... the engine is high up and at the back so if you don't know what you are doing in a V6 , then yes , an on-song 172/182 will run rings around a V6 on the twisty stuff all day long ... however , if you are an excellent / trained driver then the V6 is far faster ... and in a straight line , you have no chance at all (neither do 330's!) and above 100 MPH , you wouldn't even see which way a proper V6 had gone !
Phase 1 V6's do have a problem with power as they only left the factory with about 215 BHP and just adding a back-box will seriously lower this output ... that said , it is a 3 - litre and 172/182's just don't have the legs to keep up ... also , from a standing start , the V6 has a gorgeous hydraulic clutch and immense traction due to the huge V6 sitting over the 255 rear tyres as well as an immensely ratio'd 1st and 2nd gear , so again , the V6 is in a different league ...
My phase 1 Clio V6 is nicely tuned with an induction kit and Janspeed exhaust and produces a confirmed 253 BHP ( plus my Recaros and exhaust have knocked 100 kilos off the weight ) ... it is literally twice as fast as my 172 (which I've owned from new)
The 172 is a particularly easy car to drive and very forgiving ... it is the fact that the V6 is NOT which makes it so special !
I've defeated countless Subarus/Evos /R32's/BoxterS's/Caymens and non-turbo-charged 911's and a VXR Monaro ... I wouldn't even waste my petrol on a 330 BMW !
I've owned almost every performance car in the past , but nothing has the prescence or gives the exhileration of a V6 at 7000RPM and it is a car that I will NEVER sell ... so please don't call them crap !
In fact , there was one for sale recently for just £4k ono on Pistonheads , considerably less than a Trophy ... if you are a true Renaultsport enthusiast , buy one now before they go the same way as the Turbo2 cars which now fetch £40k +
Every time I look out of my window at my V6 , I smile ! ... and at full revs I have literally been laughing my head off ! (the only car that has ever done that to me ! EVER !) THEY ARE THAT AWESOME !
I've done 150k in R5 Turbos , 100k in the 172 and 20k in the V6 (and still learning) and am a trained driver , so I do know what I'm talking about ! That said , I know that I will NEVER tame the V6 (unlike the 172 which I can drive as well as any racing driver) ... it is the difference between a German Shepherd and a Wild Wolf !
I don't want to fall out with anyone , but I owned a Renault 5 GT Turbo from new (for 10 years before I upgraded to the 172) and I've had the V6 for a good few years now ... so ... if you see a V6 on the road , count yourself very lucky and give him a nice smile and some respect , or you'll just get yourself ironed out on the tarmac !

 

[Munson]

WTF.

 

[sbridgey]

Thats why I like clios.

Caterhams can be cheap to run and are faster, but weather is a pain and you cant take spares and tools with you easily, so its doorslammers only for me really, and bigger heavier RWD stuff is expensive to run.

So tuned FWD hatch for me is perfect blend of practicality performance and cost.

Turbo MX5? Best of both worlds?

 

[imprezaworks]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

NO they don't ! Many V6 owners also have a 172/182 for daily use and even more have upgraded from a 172/182 ... in fact , it appears to be the other way round as RobFenn perfectly illustrates this in his follow-up post ! I have seen many 172/182 drivers look at me in my V6 as though I was driving a BMW 330 ! ... I do not understand ... I've owned my 172 from new and would have been over-joyed to see (and hear) a V6 on the road ...
QUOTE "No cos the V6's are crap lol , I've driven both and was getting the same times" ... this is perfectly true because the V6 is one of the hardest cars in the world to drive fast ... the engine is high up and at the back so if you don't know what you are doing in a V6 , then yes , an on-song 172/182 will run rings around a V6 on the twisty stuff all day long ... however , if you are an excellent / trained driver then the V6 is far faster ... and in a straight line , you have no chance at all (neither do 330's!) and above 100 MPH , you wouldn't even see which way a proper V6 had gone !
Phase 1 V6's do have a problem with power as they only left the factory with about 215 BHP and just adding a back-box will seriously lower this output ... that said , it is a 3 - litre and 172/182's just don't have the legs to keep up ... also , from a standing start , the V6 has a gorgeous hydraulic clutch and immense traction due to the huge V6 sitting over the 255 rear tyres as well as an immensely ratio'd 1st and 2nd gear , so again , the V6 is in a different league ...
My phase 1 Clio V6 is nicely tuned with an induction kit and Janspeed exhaust and produces a confirmed 253 BHP ( plus my Recaros and exhaust have knocked 100 kilos off the weight ) ... it is literally twice as fast as my 172 (which I've owned from new)
The 172 is a particularly easy car to drive and very forgiving ... it is the fact that the V6 is NOT which makes it so special !
I've defeated countless Subarus/Evos /R32's/BoxterS's/Caymens and non-turbo-charged 911's and a VXR Monaro ... I wouldn't even waste my petrol on a 330 BMW !
I've owned almost every performance car in the past , but nothing has the prescence or gives the exhileration of a V6 at 7000RPM and it is a car that I will NEVER sell ... so please don't call them crap !
In fact , there was one for sale recently for just £4k ono on Pistonheads , considerably less than a Trophy ... if you are a true Renaultsport enthusiast , buy one now before they go the same way as the Turbo2 cars which now fetch £40k +
Every time I look out of my window at my V6 , I smile ! ... and at full revs I have literally been laughing my head off ! (the only car that has ever done that to me ! EVER !) THEY ARE THAT AWESOME !
I've done 150k in R5 Turbos , 100k in the 172 and 20k in the V6 (and still learning) and am a trained driver , so I do know what I'm talking about ! That said , I know that I will NEVER tame the V6 (unlike the 172 which I can drive as well as any racing driver) ... it is the difference between a German Shepherd and a Wild Wolf !
I don't want to fall out with anyone , but I owned a Renault 5 GT Turbo from new (for 10 years before I upgraded to the 172) and I've had the V6 for a good few years now ... so ... if you see a V6 on the road , count yourself very lucky and give him a nice smile and some respect , or you'll just get yourself ironed out on the tarmac !

Sorry mate, but lol.

 

[Ex-User (60778)]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

NO they don't ! Many V6 owners also have a 172/182 for daily use and even more have upgraded from a 172/182 ... in fact , it appears to be the other way round as RobFenn perfectly illustrates this in his follow-up post ! I have seen many 172/182 drivers look at me in my V6 as though I was driving a BMW 330 ! ... I do not understand ... I've owned my 172 from new and would have been over-joyed to see (and hear) a V6 on the road ...
QUOTE "No cos the V6's are crap lol , I've driven both and was getting the same times" ... this is perfectly true because the V6 is one of the hardest cars in the world to drive fast ... the engine is high up and at the back so if you don't know what you are doing in a V6 , then yes , an on-song 172/182 will run rings around a V6 on the twisty stuff all day long ... however , if you are an excellent / trained driver then the V6 is far faster ... and in a straight line , you have no chance at all (neither do 330's!) and above 100 MPH , you wouldn't even see which way a proper V6 had gone !
Phase 1 V6's do have a problem with power as they only left the factory with about 215 BHP and just adding a back-box will seriously lower this output ... that said , it is a 3 - litre and 172/182's just don't have the legs to keep up ... also , from a standing start , the V6 has a gorgeous hydraulic clutch and immense traction due to the huge V6 sitting over the 255 rear tyres as well as an immensely ratio'd 1st and 2nd gear , so again , the V6 is in a different league ...
My phase 1 Clio V6 is nicely tuned with an induction kit and Janspeed exhaust and produces a confirmed 253 BHP ( plus my Recaros and exhaust have knocked 100 kilos off the weight ) ... it is literally twice as fast as my 172 (which I've owned from new)
The 172 is a particularly easy car to drive and very forgiving ... it is the fact that the V6 is NOT which makes it so special !
I've defeated countless Subarus/Evos /R32's/BoxterS's/Caymens and non-turbo-charged 911's and a VXR Monaro ... I wouldn't even waste my petrol on a 330 BMW !
I've owned almost every performance car in the past , but nothing has the prescence or gives the exhileration of a V6 at 7000RPM and it is a car that I will NEVER sell ... so please don't call them crap !
In fact , there was one for sale recently for just £4k ono on Pistonheads , considerably less than a Trophy ... if you are a true Renaultsport enthusiast , buy one now before they go the same way as the Turbo2 cars which now fetch £40k +
Every time I look out of my window at my V6 , I smile ! ... and at full revs I have literally been laughing my head off ! (the only car that has ever done that to me ! EVER !) THEY ARE THAT AWESOME !
I've done 150k in R5 Turbos , 100k in the 172 and 20k in the V6 (and still learning) and am a trained driver , so I do know what I'm talking about ! That said , I know that I will NEVER tame the V6 (unlike the 172 which I can drive as well as any racing driver) ... it is the difference between a German Shepherd and a Wild Wolf !
I don't want to fall out with anyone , but I owned a Renault 5 GT Turbo from new (for 10 years before I upgraded to the 172) and I've had the V6 for a good few years now ... so ... if you see a V6 on the road , count yourself very lucky and give him a nice smile and some respect , or you'll just get yourself ironed out on the tarmac !

I am lost for words....which I'm guessing you're not. Hence, you can't type your sentences quick enough

 

[ChewyB]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

Nah I still would never have a v6

 

[nufctoon]

Some lol's to be had in this thread! What's happening to cliopsport.net ? Lolll he said give him a smile and some respect or you'll get ironed out hahahhaahaha:lolup:

 

[cat171]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

NO they don't ! Many V6 owners also have a 172/182 for daily use and even more have upgraded from a 172/182 ... in fact , it appears to be the other way round as RobFenn perfectly illustrates this in his follow-up post ! I have seen many 172/182 drivers look at me in my V6 as though I was driving a BMW 330 ! ... I do not understand ... I've owned my 172 from new and would have been over-joyed to see (and hear) a V6 on the road ...
QUOTE "No cos the V6's are crap lol , I've driven both and was getting the same times" ... this is perfectly true because the V6 is one of the hardest cars in the world to drive fast ... the engine is high up and at the back so if you don't know what you are doing in a V6 , then yes , an on-song 172/182 will run rings around a V6 on the twisty stuff all day long ... however , if you are an excellent / trained driver then the V6 is far faster ... and in a straight line , you have no chance at all (neither do 330's!) and above 100 MPH , you wouldn't even see which way a proper V6 had gone !
Phase 1 V6's do have a problem with power as they only left the factory with about 215 BHP and just adding a back-box will seriously lower this output ... that said , it is a 3 - litre and 172/182's just don't have the legs to keep up ... also , from a standing start , the V6 has a gorgeous hydraulic clutch and immense traction due to the huge V6 sitting over the 255 rear tyres as well as an immensely ratio'd 1st and 2nd gear , so again , the V6 is in a different league ...
My phase 1 Clio V6 is nicely tuned with an induction kit and Janspeed exhaust and produces a confirmed 253 BHP ( plus my Recaros and exhaust have knocked 100 kilos off the weight ) ... it is literally twice as fast as my 172 (which I've owned from new)
The 172 is a particularly easy car to drive and very forgiving ... it is the fact that the V6 is NOT which makes it so special !
I've defeated countless Subarus/Evos /R32's/BoxterS's/Caymens and non-turbo-charged 911's and a VXR Monaro ... I wouldn't even waste my petrol on a 330 BMW !
I've owned almost every performance car in the past , but nothing has the prescence or gives the exhileration of a V6 at 7000RPM and it is a car that I will NEVER sell ... so please don't call them crap !
In fact , there was one for sale recently for just £4k ono on Pistonheads , considerably less than a Trophy ... if you are a true Renaultsport enthusiast , buy one now before they go the same way as the Turbo2 cars which now fetch £40k +
Every time I look out of my window at my V6 , I smile ! ... and at full revs I have literally been laughing my head off ! (the only car that has ever done that to me ! EVER !) THEY ARE THAT AWESOME !
I've done 150k in R5 Turbos , 100k in the 172 and 20k in the V6 (and still learning) and am a trained driver , so I do know what I'm talking about ! That said , I know that I will NEVER tame the V6 (unlike the 172 which I can drive as well as any racing driver) ... it is the difference between a German Shepherd and a Wild Wolf !
I don't want to fall out with anyone , but I owned a Renault 5 GT Turbo from new (for 10 years before I upgraded to the 172) and I've had the V6 for a good few years now ... so ... if you see a V6 on the road , count yourself very lucky and give him a nice smile and some respect , or you'll just get yourself ironed out on the tarmac !

Omfg!!
Pics of said Clio V6 ?
Why ?

because they are NOTHING like you've just said!! I should know, I've had one for 6.5 years.

Also, 'nicely tuned' with an exhaust & induction kit, doesn't mean tuned at all! Plus, if you thought it was that good you ought to have upgraded the crap suspension set up on it for some coilovers.

 

[Martin.]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

Omfg!!
Pics of said Clio V6 ?
Why ?

because they are NOTHING like you've just said!! I should know, I've had one for 6.5 years.

Also, 'nicely tuned' with an exhaust & induction kit, doesn't mean tuned at all! Plus, if you thought it was that good you ought to have upgraded the crap suspension set up on it for some coilovers.

It must be tuned well to get a confirmed 38bhp from those modifications as he says it does.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Turbo MX5? Best of both worlds?

Still doesnt have the space for tools and tyres etc that the clio does, not by a long shot TBH, wouldnt suit two of us going for a week at the ring with all our gear etc.

 

[Chip-mk1]

y phase 1 Clio V6 is nicely tuned with an induction kit and Janspeed exhaust and produces a confirmed 253 BHP ( plus my Recaros and exhaust have knocked 100 kilos off the weight ) ... it is literally twice as fast as my 172

Check all the leads are on your 172, they get a lot slower if 2 ignition leads are missing.

 

[mjf93]

Clio v6's are fantastic, very special cars and I know in the right hands would be faster than a 1*2. I can also see them becoming very valuble in years to come, especially as there is no replacement model. But you did not paste a monaro vxr or a 911 in one. Unless the 911 was an early low powered variant it would just romp away. And even a 5.7 VXR monaro is 330 bhp, with vxr600 being 600bhp.

 

[Knuckles]

lmao this thread...

10 internets to you, sir

 

[Martin.]

Clio v6's are fantastic, very special cars and I know in the right hands would be faster than a 1*2. I can also see them becoming very valuble in years to come, especially as there is no replacement model. But you did not paste a monaro vxr or a 911 in one. Unless the 911 was an early low powered variant it would just romp away. And even a 5.7 VXR monaro is 330 bhp, with vxr600 being 600bhp.

Lol I missed that bit.

A 911 would absolutely destroy a V6, unless it was a low powered one as you say.

 

[MarkCup]

Some lol's to be had in this thread! What's happening to cliopsport.net ?

Same as usual, this thread is over ten years old after all.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

10 internets to you, sir

lol

 

[matt91]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

NO they don't ! Many V6 owners also have a 172/182 for daily use and even more have upgraded from a 172/182 ... in fact , it appears to be the other way round as RobFenn perfectly illustrates this in his follow-up post ! I have seen many 172/182 drivers look at me in my V6 as though I was driving a BMW 330 ! ... I do not understand ... I've owned my 172 from new and would have been over-joyed to see (and hear) a V6 on the road ...
QUOTE "No cos the V6's are crap lol , I've driven both and was getting the same times" ... this is perfectly true because the V6 is one of the hardest cars in the world to drive fast ... the engine is high up and at the back so if you don't know what you are doing in a V6 , then yes , an on-song 172/182 will run rings around a V6 on the twisty stuff all day long ... however , if you are an excellent / trained driver then the V6 is far faster ... and in a straight line , you have no chance at all (neither do 330's!) and above 100 MPH , you wouldn't even see which way a proper V6 had gone !
Phase 1 V6's do have a problem with power as they only left the factory with about 215 BHP and just adding a back-box will seriously lower this output ... that said , it is a 3 - litre and 172/182's just don't have the legs to keep up ... also , from a standing start , the V6 has a gorgeous hydraulic clutch and immense traction due to the huge V6 sitting over the 255 rear tyres as well as an immensely ratio'd 1st and 2nd gear , so again , the V6 is in a different league ...
My phase 1 Clio V6 is nicely tuned with an induction kit and Janspeed exhaust and produces a confirmed 253 BHP ( plus my Recaros and exhaust have knocked 100 kilos off the weight ) ... it is literally twice as fast as my 172 (which I've owned from new)
The 172 is a particularly easy car to drive and very forgiving ... it is the fact that the V6 is NOT which makes it so special !
I've defeated countless Subarus/Evos /R32's/BoxterS's/Caymens and non-turbo-charged 911's and a VXR Monaro ... I wouldn't even waste my petrol on a 330 BMW !
I've owned almost every performance car in the past , but nothing has the prescence or gives the exhileration of a V6 at 7000RPM and it is a car that I will NEVER sell ... so please don't call them crap !
In fact , there was one for sale recently for just £4k ono on Pistonheads , considerably less than a Trophy ... if you are a true Renaultsport enthusiast , buy one now before they go the same way as the Turbo2 cars which now fetch £40k +
Every time I look out of my window at my V6 , I smile ! ... and at full revs I have literally been laughing my head off ! (the only car that has ever done that to me ! EVER !) THEY ARE THAT AWESOME !
I've done 150k in R5 Turbos , 100k in the 172 and 20k in the V6 (and still learning) and am a trained driver , so I do know what I'm talking about ! That said , I know that I will NEVER tame the V6 (unlike the 172 which I can drive as well as any racing driver) ... it is the difference between a German Shepherd and a Wild Wolf !
I don't want to fall out with anyone , but I owned a Renault 5 GT Turbo from new (for 10 years before I upgraded to the 172) and I've had the V6 for a good few years now ... so ... if you see a V6 on the road , count yourself very lucky and give him a nice smile and some respect , or you'll just get yourself ironed out on the tarmac !

how does no sound? Respect someone because of the car they drive... LOL helmet.

 

[cat171]

lmao this thread...

Lol @ your 11 year bump

 

[yeecup]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

how does no sound? Respect someone because of the car they drive... LOL helmet.

just lol at his "twice as fast as a 172" with filter and exhaust in a ph1 v6. so basically a 3.5 second 0-60 weapon hes got there, no wonder he "irons out" everything in his path. speaks like a yank, with a W

 

[Knuckles]

Re: Archived Post from old forum

at full revs I have literally been laughing my head off ! !

Literally?

Actually literally?

You must have something wrong with you if you used the correct word.

 

[Steven103]

"Yes he had a few crap lines and understeery moments but ...things like that don't affect how close one car can stay to another."


FLOL at some older members quoting the "influx of idiots."

 

[sbridgey]

Still doesnt have the space for tools and tyres etc that the clio does, not by a long shot TBH, wouldnt suit two of us going for a week at the ring with all our gear etc.

I would try and argue the case for the MX5 but tbh its not worth it, the clio is a better car for going to europe and carrying tools.

The MX5 is good for close to home trackdays where all you want is a couple of spare wheels and a few tools.

 

[nufctoon]

Same as usual, this thread is over ten years old after all.

It's the recent quotes that are funny to me and this thread has certainly been bought back from the dead! Got to love cliosport though never fails to deliver entertainment.

 

[MarkCup]

"Yes he had a few crap lines and understeery moments but ...things like that don't affect how close one car can stay to another."


FLOL at some older members quoting the "influx of idiots."

Yes he had a few crap lines and understeery moments, but we're not talking about lap times, we're talking about in a straight line...and things like that don't affect how close one car can stay to another.

FLOL at editing my original post to try and illustrate idiocy.

Educate me, how does under steer and poor lines on track affect how closely two cars can accelerate in a straight line?

 

[Knuckles]

Contender for toty?

 

[MarkCup]

Decade?

 

[Steven103]

FLOL at editing my original post to try and illustrate idiocy.

Educate me, how does under steer and poor lines on track affect how closely two cars can accelerate in a straight line?

You don't need to be educated about anything I've said, but thanks for the offer.

Sit back and enjoy the 6 pages of CS-outrage you've caused by stating one little opinion that went against the CS-grain. There really should be a smiley of CS.net combusting...


Nah, surely thread of the decade goes to the CS video thread (best cash price, CS meet at DK's mansion, 182 without belts vs GT-R on finance, Ford Racing Puma Dakar theory etc)

 

[yeecup]

FLOL at editing my original post to try and illustrate idiocy.

Educate me, how does under steer and poor lines on track affect how closely two cars can accelerate in a straight line?

I think your comment on easily keeping up with an m3 in a straight line in a cup up to a ton won it for me