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IT'S A FIX!
Lol. Not surprised the 200 was quicker to be honest.
Lol. Not surprised the 200 was quicker to be honest.
172 Cup
Evo Magazine is media, and the thread is about the Clio spread in the Mag.
get a Mod Move it to the correct section which is..........
I wasnt too surprised by the outcome, hoped it would be abit closer tho, these new cars just look too big imo
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
As they said in the article, the lap times don't tell the whole story....
I've still not driven a 200, but from everything I've read it clearly seems a stepup as an everyday car. But more fun for punting around a b-road? Doubtful.
I've still not driven a 200, but from everything I've read it clearly seems a stepup as an everyday car. But more fun for punting around a b-road? Doubtful.
Nippy white cup
Might have a look at this if it is in the shops...thats progress for you!
Chris
Chris
absolutely not.
If anything the 200 Cup is more focussed than the earlier cars.
I've owned a 182ff, 182 Trophy and my brother owned a 172. Now have a 200 and I can assure you that not an ounce of soul has been lost in the development of the newer car. They've just added a few extra bits to make it even better.
Like for example; Recaros, Brembo brakes, even more sophisticated chassis, even firmer damping and better roll control, wider tyres, excellent short shifting 6 spd box, quick ratio steering, higher reving engine, more power.
What's not to like?
This doesn't always make for a fun car. Sometimes the lack of what you mentioned is more fun.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
The fact that its the car thats fast, not the driver?
A Cup is a back to basics hot hatch. For me, thats the appeal.
_WILL_
ClioSport Club Member
172 Cup
I thought it was a pretty good read and the out come was what I expected. To be honest I was kinda hopping for an extra half star for the 172 cup tho. They seemed to really like it (complained about not having abs) but loved everything else. To me it is exactly ehat they say an EVO car should be, yet 4 stars!
Also, if track times are so important then, your still better in the 172 because for about half the frice of a 200 you can buy and turn a 200 in to a rocket! I'm not complaining bout the on track comparison because I find it very interesting to see how things have changed, but 2 secs isn't a huge amount to find imo!
Also, if track times are so important then, your still better in the 172 because for about half the frice of a 200 you can buy and turn a 200 in to a rocket! I'm not complaining bout the on track comparison because I find it very interesting to see how things have changed, but 2 secs isn't a huge amount to find imo!
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
But seeing as track days are about fun anyway, what does that 2 seconds really matter
Tbh I could count the number of professional drivers on CS with one hand, the rest of us wouldnt know the difference between a 56" lap time and a 58" one anyway lol ...We would however, know which one was more fun.
:race:
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
40kg will make next to bugger all difference. Especially on an already heavier car.KMB said:I think the one that Evo are running is not a Cup, it is a FF with Cup Pack... On track the lighter Cup car which is the correct comparison (yes it's only -40kg) would have given even more difference.
Just facts
And you have to rofl at more focussed. Why do all the big boys make there focussed models as light as possible? Why does the r26r have softer suspension than an r26? Weight is the enemy of performance/handling.
The newer cars have firmer suspension, bigger brakes and wider tyres because they are heavier lol.
Marky_
ClioSport Club Member
182
No need to buy it. The experts in this thread will tell you which is better.
This.
I've never driven a 197 or 200, however most people use their 1*2 for general day to day aswell as fast road and in some cases track.
Personally i'd rather take the MK3 RS over a 1*2 as an all rounder because thats what a hot hatch should do. On a twisty road yes the 1*2 will feel more raw. However the same arguement is had between the willy and 172.
Some people really rate the fun of the MK3's. I know Kneel loved his 197 a lot more than his 172 in terms of driving, as he never fails to mention at a meet about his 197
Personally i'd rather take the MK3 RS over a 1*2 as an all rounder because thats what a hot hatch should do. On a twisty road yes the 1*2 will feel more raw. However the same arguement is had between the willy and 172.
Some people really rate the fun of the MK3's. I know Kneel loved his 197 a lot more than his 172 in terms of driving, as he never fails to mention at a meet about his 197
Is BS.
This.
I'm ordering a 200 next week. Am I making the right decision?.. I have no idea
I love them both for different reasons. No 2 ways about it, my 182 (quite modded) is much quicker but I'm hoping once I've put a few miles on the 200 I'll be just as happy with how it pulls. The 200 wins in every other department though.
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182 Trophy
I also test drove a 200 cup on monday, great brakes, nice ride and steering and alot of torque low down. It was quick but didn't feel it because of the more stable chassis and increase in refinement. I'm sure it is a good car, but didn't have that trophy feel and I felt much happier geting back into mine.
Sounds like the 182 cup and Trophy to me...
Clio 172 RS2
Hmmm...
Well Auto Express also went for the 200 Cup... (7 April issue; 20 Years of Clio)
80p cheaper then Autocar :rasp:
Well Auto Express also went for the 200 Cup... (7 April issue; 20 Years of Clio)
80p cheaper then Autocar :rasp:
clio 172 phase 2
clio cup 172
1.5 seconds quicker actualy! nearly identical for most of the lap tho, it lost out on the faster corners.
172 was also faster than the trophy!
172 was also faster than the trophy!
yeah it has some fancy instruments...but compared to the williams....the driver involvement is almost zero....felt so detatched from the 200 when driving it. granted, i didnt thrash it round a track, but new cars just seem to lack soul.
Driving the 200 doesn't leave me feeling "detached" - Granted I'm no Aryton Senna but it certainly feels like I've been in the car when I've had a spirited run in it
.As for soul - that only ever comes with age - the 200 will have plenty of soul in the coming years when we all look back with our "fuel was only 1.20 a litre back in the day" rose tinted glasses on
