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Anybody arguing this studied aerodynamics in any form?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuser_(automotive)
http://www.symscape.com/blog/secrets_of_diffusers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuser_(automotive)
http://www.symscape.com/blog/secrets_of_diffusers
Tangoed Works
lol at how this thread has gone. in all fairness to you warren, when i first saw a 197 at the london motorshow, i looked underneath it expecting to see a totally smooth undertray bolted to the underneath, but all i saw was the components mounted as flush as possible.
I thought Hmmmm, will that really create they effect they are making claim to? I think really looking at it most new cars do not have exhaust boxes protruding like they used to, most are as flat bottomed as can be, but i do think the 197 / 200 diffusers will have an effect to an extent.
you can see by the 200 one that the tailpipes are wrapped in the diffuser so as not to disturbe the air flow. I may just go an test drive one and see if I can feel it!
I thought Hmmmm, will that really create they effect they are making claim to? I think really looking at it most new cars do not have exhaust boxes protruding like they used to, most are as flat bottomed as can be, but i do think the 197 / 200 diffusers will have an effect to an extent.
you can see by the 200 one that the tailpipes are wrapped in the diffuser so as not to disturbe the air flow. I may just go an test drive one and see if I can feel it!
RS 200
http://web.archive.org/web/20060217...onships/cliocup/news/story.asp?ArticleID=1234
The 8th paragraph down on this archive page from the Renault Sport site suggests that it functions to the car. I know this page is about the race car but it still effectivly talking about the same device on the road car.
From Renaults mouth ......
The 8th paragraph down on this archive page from the Renault Sport site suggests that it functions to the car. I know this page is about the race car but it still effectivly talking about the same device on the road car.
From Renaults mouth ......
Black 197
PMSL at the CS techno wizards
I couldn't give a care in the world if my diffuser does anything or not, FACT remains it looks the nuts END..
Now i still don't get why there is so much hate towards the 197/200's... It all comes from 1*2 owners... Face facts maybe it isn't as fast as claimed and yes fuel efficiency is poor but a 197 looks far better than a 1*2, Its so much more refined and doesn't creak and bang over the slightest of cracks in the road,
Renault maybe weren't trying to achieve a missile with the introduction of MK3's but they sure got everything else right well nearlly bar efficiency lol...
I used to own a 182 and had that for 3 years and it used to drive me nuts, My 197 is a pleasure to drive and to this day i have never looked back
I couldn't give a care in the world if my diffuser does anything or not, FACT remains it looks the nuts END..
Now i still don't get why there is so much hate towards the 197/200's... It all comes from 1*2 owners... Face facts maybe it isn't as fast as claimed and yes fuel efficiency is poor but a 197 looks far better than a 1*2, Its so much more refined and doesn't creak and bang over the slightest of cracks in the road,
Renault maybe weren't trying to achieve a missile with the introduction of MK3's but they sure got everything else right well nearlly bar efficiency lol...
I used to own a 182 and had that for 3 years and it used to drive me nuts, My 197 is a pleasure to drive and to this day i have never looked back
Tangoed Works
dont see much hate towards the 197/200 in this thread dude, just warren a bit sceptical that it actually does anything which is fair enough.
we all know the mk3 moved the game forward handling and braking wise combined with improved build quality, and that can only be a good thing.
we all know the mk3 moved the game forward handling and braking wise combined with improved build quality, and that can only be a good thing.
Black 197
I have both and from memory with my diffuser and cup spoiler my car will now anchor an air balloon down
Clio 1970000000
I am still fairly new to this forum but I have to agree that there is an anti-197 feeling here from anyone who has a 1*2. I don't think it is as evident for the 200.
Renault have made the 197 for a different market (dare I say more mature!!!) than the 1*2 and having driven both a 182 and a 197 think that like for like comparisons don't always work.
Best get your flameproof suit on lol.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
Don't agree with the different market thing tbh. I would say that the more mature (in age) are more likely to be able to afford them though.
The one single thing that would put me off ever getting one is the economy other than that they're great imo. But because of that I would rather get an RS Megane with I think is a better package.
You must be reading old threads, the 197 hate went out the window ages ago noone really cares, it's all 200 hate now. Most of it is just banter and piss taking anyway.
I like them both for the record.
172 5HED
172 5HED
Shape is the same, endcaps are smooth though!
Black 197
Yep and IIRC the end caps streamline the car even more so that with enough speed you can time warp
In fairness the spoilers are hated among many on here but for me it tidy's the rear end up and to me the car looks naked without a spoiler
Black 197
Knows, My 197 didn't have it fitted at the dealer so i got one added before i would buy the car.. Cost me £100 too lol
Black 197
Clio 1970000000
Suited and booted.
Clio 1970000000
I think that considering that this is a highly tuned 2 litre engine, 30mpg is quite acceptable.
I find it very hard to believe that the 1*2's return 38-45mpg, depending upon which thread you read, unless you drive them like a granny.
172 cup , 197 cup
My 172 Cup ( very modified ) returns over 40mpg , it is over 200kg lighter than 197 so there is part of your answer ...................Front spoiler on 200 ..... evolution ! improves front grip/ downforce etc , brilliant ! I want one on my car.............. Granny Steve ....
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realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
the 197 one is pretty damn big tbf.
goes a long way under the car, this is mine
Still does f**k all until silly speeds at best lol...
Clio 1970000000
the 197 one is pretty damn big tbf.
goes a long way under the car, this is mine
I want one of those.
197
Even if the diffuser is functional I know for 99.9% of the time it is wasted on me.
Iceberg Ph1
I would assume that the diffuser would work with the exact same principles as a F1 car.. With this in mind.. Have a read..
The next part of this shows Ralf Schumacher’s car flying through the air after a nice crash.. clearly showing the bottom of the car being totally flat..
p@blo
ClioSport Club Member
Clio/A3
... taken from the Corsa owners club of all places (the member is now banned LOL)
http://www.corsa-c.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=126728
It doesn't say 40kg at 70mph in the brocuhe it says "very high speed" which probably translates to the car's TOP SPEED, as this will be the point at which it will be making the most difference (the faster the car goes).
It doesn't add 40kg of downforce but it probably reduces lift by 40kg. So, for example, at top speed lift may be 100kg without the diffuser, but reduced to 60kg with for example. At 70mph the reduction is marginal, but then so is lift.
It doesn't add 40kg of downforce but it probably reduces lift by 40kg. So, for example, at top speed lift may be 100kg without the diffuser, but reduced to 60kg with for example. At 70mph the reduction is marginal, but then so is lift.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
PMSL, 40kg at VERY high speed. It then refers to the side air vents as intakes before referring to them as vents in the next bit lol.
Very believable
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Very believable
.. It then refers to the side air vents as intakes before referring to them as vents in the next bit lol.
Very believable
I think it's because they are ducts so have an in and and out.
PMSL, 40kg at VERY high speed. It then refers to the side air vents as intakes before referring to them as vents in the next bit lol.
Very believable
why so nervous and cynical?
If you are that against the claims, complain to trading standards?
