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Kangoo Compact (aka Racevan3)



Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Ill be buzzing if it makes 360/360. If the engine is a little tired and only makes low 300s ill be happy with that. Beggars cant be choosers:LOL:

Interestingly i found a build thread for the r26 i stripped for the engine.


The pistons are actually cosworth (i thought they were wossner) and cat cams rods. It made 318hp/355ft/lb back in 2012 on stock head &19t hybrid.

Engine has done around 20k from my reckoning up. Ive added 250 head, 172 cams & 20t hybrid. High pressure 250 fuel system, decent cooler. I believe the limiting factors at the moment will be the turbo and the clutch .
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
Ill be buzzing if it makes 360/360. If the engine is a little tired and only makes low 300s ill be happy with that. Beggars cant be choosers:LOL:

Interestingly i found a build thread for the r26 i stripped for the engine.


The pistons are actually cosworth (i thought they were wossner) and cat cams rods. It made 318hp/355ft/lb back in 2012 on stock head &19t hybrid.

Engine has done around 20k from my reckoning up. Ive added 250 head, 172 cams & 20t hybrid. High pressure 250 fuel system, decent cooler. I believe the limiting factors at the moment will be the turbo and the clutch .
you forgot to add a decent map to that list of changes :LOL: ;)
 

Porl

ClioSport Club Member
363/382.4 What an amazing job you've done of the build, hats off to you mate👍. Can't wait to see it at csf next year, I hope you can fit all your camping gear in the back 😂.
 

Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Cheers all

Just got back from Efi, Mapping went very well and made more power than anticipated, Chris done a great job and feels ballistic for what it is. Its hard to keep in a straight line in first 3 gears so best start looking at suspension upgrades next! Will do a full update in the morning ;)
 

Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
What did it make? Has it got a LSD?
It does indeed have a megane pk gearbox with lsd. I think the main issue is it squats so much on boost, ive dialled in a bit more rebound on the rear shocks and going to look at the overall suspension setup and upgrade as ness. Will get some professional advice on where to go with it to keep it compliant for the road but corner decent.

Needs better tyres too cannot hook it up with the goodyears in first or 2nd in the dry :LOL:
 

Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Mapping day yesterday. Had prepared as best as i could and packed a few spares "just incase". Steady drive down to Efi made it there in good time.

Pre checks done, fuelled up and parked waiting to get on the rollers. Moggy arrives for a catch up in his epic nimbus r26r.
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Waited for Chris to finish up with another car on the dyno.

Firstly engine ecu was removed to bench read and write a new base map as the ecu was locked from previous map. I fit 250 map sensors and hook up the vac pipe for the rising rate fuel reg on the 250 rail.

Chris fires it up to check the base map, connects the hardware to map via obd. We run into problems at this point as the software does not recognise the Kangoo 2 vin number that is stored on the engine ecu and wont show any ecu data, boost pressure, charge temp, knock count etc.

This was a problem as cant tune it without any data logging. Long and short of it is, when i done the immobiliser sync i changed the engine ecu vin number to the Kangoo one to try and view it on clip (which did not work). The only option was to reload the megane R26 vin number so the software would recognise it, which was a bit of a carry on as the ecu needed to be a virgin immob file and would not write the vin without a bench flash back to virgin.

Luckily i had my laptop with me so found the virgin immob file, bench flashed the chip and resynced the immobiliser with Ren0link. Ecu vin changed and the hardware recognised the vin allowing logging to be done.

Onto the dyno.
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Chris asked me what i expected from the setup and what my use will be, i told him i want to drive this hard and track use so can sacrifice a bit of power for safety. He mentioned the 172 cams on stock timing may make the setup a little bit more laggy compared to usual megane, but that could work really well and make more power with less boost than stock 250 cams, and keep the drama out low down in the rpm which is good.

Part throttle mapping first.
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Chris starts dialling it in and the power comes up fast and its looking like its working quite well. Safe 300 hp, 350 hp on 2nd run. Intake/Charge temps are really good and the rising rate fuel system is working well.

Wound it up a bit more and see 382hp @23psi
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Clutch started to slip a little on spool at this point so had to pull boost up to 4000ish rpm and limit torque.

End result 375hp & 337ft/lb. Made up as i was expecting around 340hp and anything over that was a bonus.
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Video of the final run.


Took it for a road test and it feels ballistic for what it is, its hilarious just squats and goes.

Traction is a major issue in first 2 gears and its quite hard to keep straight so chassis needs a bit of work to dial it in and it definitely needs some sticky rubber for track use, and a clutch upgrade very soon.

Massive thanks to Chris @ Efi for epic service as usual, he totally went above and beyond and stayed back late to get it all dialled in and finished after the initial issues with the ecu. Overall it drives fantastic and very pleased with the results.

Thanks for reading!!
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
Awesome work man, great when the graft pays off and you get more than expected isn't it 😁💪🏻. Chris really is a legend of the tuning world.

Know how you feel with traction and I'm on a chunk less power than you are!

Can't wait to see it at somepoint soon, keep up the good work.👍🏻
 

-Rob

ClioSport Club Member
  M3 CS / 1/29 PB 182
375hp. Must be having a laugh!

Now you just need to make a short wheel base Kangoo handle..
 

Louis

ClioSport Club Member
Mapping day yesterday. Had prepared as best as i could and packed a few spares "just incase". Steady drive down to Efi made it there in good time.

Pre checks done, fuelled up and parked waiting to get on the rollers. Moggy arrives for a catch up in his epic nimbus r26r.View attachment 1541044
Waited for Chris to finish up with another car on the dyno.

Firstly engine ecu was removed to bench read and write a new base map as the ecu was locked from previous map. I fit 250 map sensors and hook up the vac pipe for the rising rate fuel reg on the 250 rail.

Chris fires it up to check the base map, connects the hardware to map via obd. We run into problems at this point as the software does not recognise the Kangoo 2 vin number that is stored on the engine ecu and wont show any ecu data, boost pressure, charge temp, knock count etc.

This was a problem as cant tune it without any data logging. Long and short of it is, when i done the immobiliser sync i changed the engine ecu vin number to the Kangoo one to try and view it on clip (which did not work). The only option was to reload the megane R26 vin number so the software would recognise it, which was a bit of a carry on as the ecu needed to be a virgin immob file and would not write the vin without a bench flash back to virgin.

Luckily i had my laptop with me so found the virgin immob file, bench flashed the chip and resynced the immobiliser with Ren0link. Ecu vin changed and the hardware recognised the vin allowing logging to be done.

Onto the dyno.View attachment 1541042 View attachment 1541043
Chris asked me what i expected from the setup and what my use will be, i told him i want to drive this hard and track use so can sacrifice a bit of power for safety. He mentioned the 172 cams on stock timing may make the setup a little bit more laggy compared to usual megane, but that could work really well and make more power with less boost than stock 250 cams, and keep the drama out low down in the rpm which is good.

Part throttle mapping first.View attachment 1541041
Chris starts dialling it in and the power comes up fast and its looking like its working quite well. Safe 300 hp, 350 hp on 2nd run. Intake/Charge temps are really good and the rising rate fuel system is working well.

Wound it up a bit more and see 382hp @23psiView attachment 1541039
Clutch started to slip a little on spool at this point so had to pull boost up to 4000ish rpm and limit torque.

End result 375hp & 337ft/lb. Made up as i was expecting around 340hp and anything over that was a bonus.View attachment 1541038View attachment 1541037

Video of the final run.


Took it for a road test and it feels ballistic for what it is, its hilarious just squats and goes.

Traction is a major issue in first 2 gears and its quite hard to keep straight so chassis needs a bit of work to dial it in and it definitely needs some sticky rubber for track use, and a clutch upgrade very soon.

Massive thanks to Chris @ Efi for epic service as usual, he totally went above and beyond and stayed back late to get it all dialled in and finished after the initial issues with the ecu. Overall it drives fantastic and very pleased with the results.

Thanks for reading!!
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Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Can report that it drives awesome on the road, I reckon this is as fast as my Extra van with around 270hp per ton. Hard to get the power down in first 2 gears but all systems go in 3rd;)

The power has highlighted the wishbone bushes have seen better days so have ordered powerflex black to fit and new balljoints. Brakes next as stock meg brembo pads defo need an upgrade, then i reckon it needs a visit to Croft
 

Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Not much in the way of updates, been using it quite often and no issues. Seen off a 15 reg audi tt diesel with ease the other night the lad driving it was gobsmacked :LOL:

Waiting for my powerflex front bushes to arrive so can refurb the front end.

Thinking about suspension upgrades. Not sure what route to take, meg2 coilovers up front and custom springs on the rear or keep the r26 shocks on the front and custom springs. Need some advice on what route to take off somebody who knows what they are doing.
 

Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Which one is cooler, I honestly can’t pick!
Its really hard to choose a favourite out of the pair. Both are s**t on fuel, the Kangoo is quite refined with pas and electric windows and the torque absolutely nails you in the seat, fast as for what it is easy to drive, good modern brakes with abs. Its something that you can drive day to day without being too tiring, and once ive really dialled the handling in it will be quite the weapon on the corners, already feels pretty decent.

The Extra on the other hand has the Bosch 044 whining behind you, snappy 4 paddle clutch and no driver aids. But on the plus side its raw and rewarding to drive, handles great, sounds great, stack dash and pms shifter is awesome. Apart from that no refinement whatsoever and terrible to drive in stop start traffic😆
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
Both are epic motors, be hard pressed to pic one on a nice day. I think the kangoo would get picked most mornings though.
 

Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Updates

Still no track control arm bushes. They never arrived and after excuse after excuse got my money back from the seller on ebay. Have ordered another front set of powerflex from Kamracing this time with rear vibratechnics bushes.

Clutch has almost given up and slipping all the time on full throttle after a bit of spirited driving yesterday when the match was on. Not a car on the road was awesome.

Ive gone for a new genuine renault dmf flywheel, Rts dual friction clutch from Kamracing. Ive stuck with dmf as the pk gearbox rattles like a gooden with smf.

So here we go again! Even though waiting for parts to arrive made a start today. 30 mins to remove subframe, nice and easy. Weather turned shitty so will revisit next weekend.
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Random pic of it back to back with my old Kangoo 172 outside my mates unit.
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Thanks for reading!!
 

Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Updates

Parts all arrived from Kamracing, great service. So started to crack on with the work.

First job was to clean up the track control arms and pop the bushes and balljoints out. 20ton press and knotted wheel on the grinder made short work of this.
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New vibratechnics rear solid bushes pressed in, powerflex black up front and new trw balljoints. The rear vibratechnics are a rose joint with rubber boot, look pukka. The main advantage over powerflex rear bushes is they can pivot properly like the oem rear bush allowing proper droop on the front suspension. Best be good as they cost double the price of powerflex.

Coated in hydrate 80
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Zinc primer, epoxy mastic and a gloss top coat.
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Next job was to upgrade the front arb. Stock Kangoo is 19mm and r26 is 21mm so a decent upgrade. The bars look identical so relatively straightforward swap.

The easy way to do this would have been to use the r26 subframe which bolts straight onto the kangoo. The downside to the megane subframe is that it runs crap bushes in the subframe, and the Kangoo is solid mounted like a clio 197 cup racer subframe, so was worth sticking with it.

Kangoo subframe mounts
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Stock arb brackets were no good as for smaller bar and very flimsy, and r26 would not fit as different.

Had a sniff round the renault parts bin and found the megane 3 bushes were for a 21mm bar and looked similar to kangoo. Slight elongate of the holes and straight on.
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Next job was to change drivers side outer cv as clicking. Easy job just messy.
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So next job was to pull the box out to replace dmf for new oem and fit the new rts clutch. Its the dual friction type which is tested and good for decent torque.

Pk gearbox a bit of a lump to remove but not too bad. Clutch did not look all that bad but noted that self adjusting mechanism on pressure plate was not set even though it was fine when fitted!?

Dmf was shot play in all directions. I knew this was not the best as had a bit of vibration off it


Crank seal i fitted with the proper tool still nice and dry. Actually cant believe its leak free.
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Dmf/Clutch fitted, note self adjusting mechanism set properly.
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Box back on, new oem renault slave cylinder fitted. Bled up straight away and a good clutch pedal. Just bolting it back together at the moment should be finished tomorrow, need it running for Friday to pick up a petrol patio cleaner:LOL:

Thanks for reading!!
 

Chambers_RS

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 Cup&Leon K1
Vibratechnics stuff is great. I’ve used it on Vag stuff mainly and it’s always been awesome.
I tried 2 different brand engine mounts on my current Leon and both were crap so went VT mounts 👌🏻
 


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