KTEC stage 1 remap for clio 200 yey or nay??

[benboy]

Hi all,

not the first time this question has been discussed, but looking over previous comments there is no clear cut verdict.

I cant really justify getting a full system and sport cat at the moment but was looking to alter the torque curve and prevent the kangerooing effect.

The clio really has no guts (torque) low down, so I was hoping a remap might help, the prinout on the KTEC website seems to suggest this.

Taking into account I wanted to put the car on a rolling road anyway, 300 doesnt sound too bad does it?

Would be great to hear from someone with first hand experience.

Cheers all!

 

[Ol’ Tarby]

Where are you based?

 

[Fletcher]

Ktec remap nay.

 

[Bobby.]

Is 300 the cost for them to do it or the predicted power output?

 

[Rob]

Nope. Wouldn't let them map my car if they paid me £300.

 

[McGherkin]

In the eternal words of Chip,

'I wouldn't trust KTEC to put a new map on my Tom Tom let alone my car'

Having seen what they call a map I'm inclined to agree.

 

[krappy]

I would've thought RSTuner would be a better option?

 

[Tim.]

not the first time this question has been discussed, but looking over previous comments there is no clear cut verdict.

I disagree. As others have suggested, there is significant, and damning evidence to suggest that K-Tec are not historically reliable in terms of their mapping expertise.

Let us know your location/general area and people will suggest recommended specialists local to you who would be best placed to advise.

 

[budz]

if you are in the southwest try dan@sjm

 

[benboy]

Cheers for the comments guys.

Im based on Milton Keynes (south east). I had no idea that the remap by KTEC was considered that poor!!

As someone mention above I might see what RS tuning has to offer. Remapping an NA motor will never produce significant gains, its just the torque and kangerooing effect im trying to improve.

Cheers,
Ben

 

[RSprojects]

I did not realise this was a view of KTEC myself, have been considering getting one for some time as have never liked the idea of the plug and play RS Tuner maps as you don't get to see the power increase, thoughts on these?

 

[Entity]

I can understand your reluctance for the RS Tuner because as you say, you don't see a dyno-print.

However, many have gone before you, on this forum and others, and have confirmed it to be a working tool. If you are in doubt, go to a RR after the mapping ?

Keep in mind though, every engine is different ... I've seen Clio (197, 200, 182 and 172) come in to Dyno-day sessions we host in the netherlands and out of 5 197's or alike none of them where in the same "band".

One'd have 170 at the wheels, the other 160, another 173 and so on.

What i'm trying to make clear with that is, your engine is different to mine, is different to the next guy. It's not because someone gained lets say 5 wheel-HP and 10 or 20 NM of torque that you are going to be doing the same. Your engine could be better, or worse. So don't pin yourself too much to raw figures.

What I will say is this: I've had my R19 16V remapped by the guy behind fastchip last year running an F7R (Clio williams / Sport Spider ) engine and although the gains in BHP wheren't too much (it's an atmospheric engine ... can't gain a lot either way) the driveability was a lot smoother, it responded better and more fluid. That alone was worth the remap, screw the fact that I gained 5-7BHP and a few NM...

Driveability > figures on a dyno print any day

 

[warwickstingray]

How many miles has your 200 done? Renaults engines need loosening up. Back in the days of the 1.8 16v Clio they retested one with a few miles on against the fiesta RS1800 and found a suprising improvement in all it's acceleration and interval tests. Do a few track days and I'm sure you'll notice the low end improve. But to be honest anything that's got under 150ft/lbs in the normal driving range in that weight of car is never going to feel grunty. My HDI has over 200ft/lbs all through it's normal driving revs and it still doesn't feel massively muscular and it's slightly lighter. Maybe you bought the wrong car? I find the Clio 172 cup more than adequate for everyday driving and when I'm in the mood or on track I just keep it up where the go is. You'll never get an 2.0 N/A engine to do anything special in it's top gears regardless of how much you spend. Well in my experience of modding anyway.

No harm in getting it mapped though. Just don't expect miracles.

 

[-J-]

Cheers for the comments guys.

Im based on Milton Keynes (south east). I had no idea that the remap by KTEC was considered that poor!!

As someone mention above I might see what RS tuning has to offer. Remapping an NA motor will never produce significant gains, its just the torque and kangerooing effect im trying to improve.

Cheers,
Ben

Michael Woodford Motorsport would be my suggestion for mapping, based down near Thorpe Park.

 

[Matt W]

Maybe you bought the wrong car? I find the Clio 172 cup more than adequate for everyday driving

For once I agree with you!

My 200 had plenty enough torque and power for every day driving. Have a test drive of a turbo diesel car if you want low down torque.

 

[warwickstingray]

For once I agree with you!

My 200 had plenty enough torque and power for every day driving. Have a test drive of a turbo diesel car if you want low down torque.

I need to work on that then can't have people agreeing with me.

Chip may still disagree as he has done a lot of work on the daily he has to improve on renaults good work. That isn't a 200 though. Can't imagine the original poster is ready to play with cams and inlets on a car that new.

 

[coverman]

My Porsche only has a maximum 155 lb ft. of torque,(and only 160BHP incidentally) in a car the same weight as a 172, but, just like a turbo diesel, it never feels as though its in the wrong gear as the torque curve is deliberately so flat for ease of driving.

 

[davo172]

I would've thought RSTuner would be a better option?

THIS ^^^ all day long !!

 

[warwickstingray]

I agree but maybe the original poster has been out dragged a few times with cars with more grunt or just doesn't like have to drop 1 or 2 cogs to go. Like I said maybe it's the wrong purchase for them. The new 200 has it's haters but having turbo torque all over the place makes for a more relaxed drive. I wouldn't go toe to toe with a fiesta ST in my cup for an interval pull. The first time you get a sport on track you realise what all the fuss is about. Same as 106 and 306 gti's which were hardly torque heavy.

 

[RSprojects]

I can understand your reluctance for the RS Tuner because as you say, you don't see a dyno-print.

However, many have gone before you, on this forum and others, and have confirmed it to be a working tool. If you are in doubt, go to a RR after the mapping ?

Keep in mind though, every engine is different ... I've seen Clio (197, 200, 182 and 172) come in to Dyno-day sessions we host in the netherlands and out of 5 197's or alike none of them where in the same "band"

On the subject of every engine is different that is why I struggle to understand why a one re-map fits all RS tuner can help?

 

[RSprojects]

When I say help that isn't what I mean, but I wonder if it is as effective as a customer remap around your engine and the mods on the car.

 

[Chip-mk1]

On the subject of every engine is different that is why I struggle to understand why a one re-map fits all RS tuner can help?

In the case of the 172 in particular, its because the one map fits all map to start with holds the car at closed loop for far too long which means it runs mega lean upto 5K and loses loads of power as a result.

In the case of a car with a decent map from the factory though, you are right.

The reality of course though is that a GOOD custom map will be better still, but not by a huge amount on the standard engine (if cam timing is as it should be standard!).

 

[Chip-mk1]

When I say help that isn't what I mean, but I wonder if it is as effective as a customer remap around your engine and the mods on the car.

If you cam timing is out, then a custom remap will work far better than an off the shelf, as it can allow for your engine being wrong, but its far better to just fix the cam timing.

If you are talking modified engines though, then absolutely its worth having a custom map.
But ONLY if its done by someone who gets it right!

I personally would sooner upload a tomtom map of belgium than have KTEC in particular touch my car with one of their maps though, having seen such shocking work from them on friends cars with dangerous AFRs etc, but thats just my personal opinion which you are of course welcome to ignore

 

[RSprojects]

Ok I have a standard engine, would like cams as having cambelt done soon but can't really justify it for the gains, have scorpion exhaust as only mod at the moment, although will be getting PTFE gaskets so seems like a good option just to get a RS Tuner, thanks.

 

[benboy]

I may have confused ppl here. I have a 59 plate clio 200 (not the new 1.6t).

To be honest the car up until 4,000 rpm is pretty much useless and most regular motors would keep up. I was hoping for extra torque low down to give the car a sense of urgency & smoothness.

If the remap cant deliver some much needed Nm of torque, a megane 250/265 is the way forward and I wont bother spending it on the clio.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I may have confused ppl here. I have a 59 plate clio 200 (not the new 1.6t).

To be honest the car up until 4,000 rpm is pretty much useless and most regular motors would keep up. I was hoping for extra torque low down to give the car a sense of urgency & smoothness.

If the remap cant deliver some much needed Nm of torque, a megane 250/265 is the way forward and I wont bother spending it on the clio.

You wont get a significant change in torque, nothing like a turbo car.

 

[Matt W]

To be honest the car up until 4,000 rpm is pretty much useless and most regular motors would keep up.

Does that matter? I hardly ever go above 3k when commuting, has plenty enough low down torque IMO.

 

[warwickstingray]

It's a more old school kinda hatch in that respect. Some people don't mind the normal engine/performance engine split. If they didn't Honda wouldn't have sold much. By the sound of it your driving style you would be better suited to a turbo engine that has a good spread of torque and at least as much as a megane 250. I personally like the whole blip and drop driving experience. Also helps keep me in check as it's easy to get sucked into little duels on the road and I know in many cases the Clio will get mullered. Although as I run road tyres that can happen on track against the semi-slick stripped out bridgade as well

Overall though if you want some old skool hot hatch joy the pre turbo Clios do a fantastic job. I have no plans to mod the Cup anytime soon. It is what it is.