Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project [Year 3 - Engine and Chassis Rebuild]

f0xy · Dec 16, 2008

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Some people have suggested it, but i highly doubt it, its completely sealed with loads of 10mms from the bottom, then obviously the top covers too...

I dont know whats going to happen now, I have no way of fixing it, and not enough money to start rebuilding engines again

It had to work this time, and it didnt....

Christopher · Dec 16, 2008

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Don't sell it dude

f0xy · Dec 16, 2008

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its worth f**k all, catch 22 situation.......break it for bits and thats bout it, cant be fucked doing that though!

dont see how a 1k old belt/tensioner/idler can fail, i always triple check when im timing it up, tension etc, FFS

Bluebeard · Dec 16, 2008

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I am genuinely gutted mate.

In a minute, i'll have a very recently built 2.0 bottom end 1800 head engine for grabs if its any good to you??

Would hate to see all your efforts flushed down the pan.

Like I said in previous (won't go there! lol) posts, JINXED!!

f0xy · Dec 16, 2008

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I cant afford to buy another block unfortunately

, i have two valver heads just lying around, but I cant be bothered to fit them (Would need more head bolts and gaskets), to take a step backwards to where I was, wasting like £500 in doing so...

Ive just spent:

Head Gasket Kit: £60
Head Bolts: £50
Cambelt Kit (Genuine): £90
Williams Head: £110
16 New Valves: £150
Other s**t (Waterpump, Thermostat, Dizzy, Sparks, Skimming etc): £120

Even though I didnt end up using half of the valves, the other half are most likely fucked now too

Thats just the start of the costs...I dont see why it didnt work, everythings new, it HAD to work this time, everything went good....but yet again, failed

Bluebeard · Dec 16, 2008

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FFS.

Don't give up mate.

We are a dying breed!!!!!!!!

Christopher · Dec 16, 2008

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Yeah, if you need any help or lifts dude, text me!

Don't bin the project!

Bluebeard · Dec 16, 2008

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Seriously Jord, I have a boat load of spares from the guy I bought the car off, just let me know what you need and if I can help I will.

Mark One · Dec 16, 2008

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so the options are £300ish plus fluids to repair (leaving dented pistons)..... or break it.

With the effort of breaking isnt fixing the only way?

Just really really unbeleivable bad luck mate

. Hopefully with the cover off you'll get an idea of why the belt snapped? Try get a free Cambelt kit out of it or something?

f0xy · Dec 16, 2008

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I wont be breaking it, its gone too far now....Its just a matter of when I have the money to rebuild it, and the patience...As im looking at it like, what happens if i spend another £300-400, maybe more, rebuilding it, for this to happen again? Then I could be possibly a grand down the pan....

I guess it will be clearer when I get a proper look at it, but maybe not, who knows!

Bluebeard · Dec 16, 2008

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Just sleep on it mate.

Things always seem cleare in the morning.

Fred@BTM · Dec 16, 2008

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if you decided to sell it let me know chap, gutted for you though squire, but find out what's caused it first

Ryan k · Dec 16, 2008

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f0xy said:
I wont be breaking it, its gone too far now....Its just a matter of when I have the money to rebuild it, and the patience...As im looking at it like, what happens if i spend another £300-400, maybe more, rebuilding it, for this to happen again? Then I could be possibly a grand down the pan....

I guess it will be clearer when I get a proper look at it, but maybe not, who knows!

Why dont you borrow my engine stand and fully rebuild it out if car. Less chance of missing anything and you can see whats what. Has the valver head got valves in it still???

W17GLE · Dec 16, 2008

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Don't give up on it mate there are plenty of people on here willing to help you out seen as you're a cliosport hero

dunlop · Dec 16, 2008

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maybe something got left lightly loose in the rush to get it ready? dont worry about new bolts, buy a headgasket from ebay, bolts will be fine for another use as it'll be temporary.

sideways danny · Dec 16, 2008

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that sucks

Headbolts will be fine to go again, they're not stretch bolts, and you know they're new and not fatigued or corroded. Head gasket set should be cheaper than that, doesn't need to be genuine. If you still have the old valves just get them re-cut at less than £5 each. Sure the cam caps were torqued correctly? 2 different torque settings for the different bolt sizes etc. Too tight and the cam could have been binding on a journal maybe. Hope you sort it

f0xy · Dec 16, 2008

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Ryan k said:
Why dont you borrow my engine stand and fully rebuild it out if car. Less chance of missing anything and you can see whats what. Has the valver head got valves in it still???

the one at yours has, but its in bits, and im not putting a valver head back on it and back in the car after all this effort.....taking a backwards step

dunlop said:
maybe something got left lightly loose in the rush to get it ready? dont worry about new bolts, buy a headgasket from ebay, bolts will be fine for another use as it'll be temporary.

not sure, made sure i double checked everything :dapprove:

sideways danny said:
that sucks Headbolts will be fine to go again, they're not stretch bolts, and you know they're new and not fatigued or corroded. Head gasket set should be cheaper than that, doesn't need to be genuine. If you still have the old valves just get them re-cut at less than £5 each. Sure the cam caps were torqued correctly? 2 different torque settings for the different bolt sizes etc. Too tight and the cam could have been binding on a journal maybe. Hope you sort it

i used half of the old valves (inlets) because the guy who i got the new ones off sold me the wrong valves, so if they are bent i have no inlets left....i have a spare set of exhaust ones though...

yeah the cam caps were all good, 10Nm for the 10mms, 25Nm for the Torx ones....:dapprove:

Will just have to take it apart and investigate!

Ryan k · Dec 16, 2008

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You would have a car for now though jord lol

f0xy · Dec 16, 2008

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yeah, but its a backwards step, and it has problems in itself (why i did the williams head in the first place) it drinks fuel, etc.....

im going to take the engine out and sell the bottom end and head seperately i think, then go from there....the block is shite, and jynxed

mas · Dec 16, 2008

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Dude you have had nothing but problems with this car!!!

The Boosh! · Dec 16, 2008

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LOL!!!

Proper gutted Jord

Thats what you get for buying it of an asian pizza boy!

On another note you can now flog it to fred and buy a ph2 - buy cheap buy twice :rasp:

mini-valver · Dec 16, 2008

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Dunno what to say lad. Other than I also have a massive paperweight outside, lol.

dunlop · Dec 16, 2008

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whats up with yours minivalver?

mini-valver · Dec 16, 2008

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Have a look in my thread fella!

Mark One · Dec 16, 2008

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The Boosh! said:
LOL!!!

Proper gutted Jord Thats what you get for buying it of an asian pizza boy!

On another note you can now flog it to fred and buy a ph2 - buy cheap buy twice :rasp:

Thats not going to happen. We all know jord has better taste than that :rasp:

Just a thought. Have you considered an F4R. I know the conversion is a bit of a ballache (starting with unlocking the ECU, then the loom) but the engines are far more common than original williams blocks. I know it means more work, but it's one to think about anyway.
Good luck dude

H182 · Dec 16, 2008

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FFS so unlucky with this car!

Hope you get it sorted soon dude.

Christopher · Dec 16, 2008

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Not got it stripped yet?

Keano · Dec 16, 2008

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^^ your name is chrismastopher.

i think i love you

Christopher · Dec 16, 2008

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Hi

f0xy · Dec 16, 2008

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Christmastopher said:
Not got it stripped yet?

no crane and cant be arsed to be honest.......trying to find an engine :boring:

BioHzrd · Dec 16, 2008

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Gutted for you mate hope you find out what caused it n get it sorted !

jams · Dec 16, 2008

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Like I said on the phone last night, I'm gutted for you!! You've had loads of problems with it but don't give up. When you took me out the other night and on oulton the other day it was just amazing. Just don't give up!!!!!!! Give us a shout if you want a hand with anything or a lift any where (within reason lol).

iimushroomzii · Dec 16, 2008

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FFS. No luck matey! No luck at all!

Brett · Dec 16, 2008

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Jord i'm gutted for you mate :dapprove:

Its an awsome project and i'm sure that it will turn out ok in the end.

Like I have said previously your car will be the star of cliosports FCS 09 stand.

superbenji88 · Dec 17, 2008

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i hope you get something sorted, as i haven't even seen this beast yet

f0xy · Dec 17, 2008

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Going to take the head off tomorrow, and look at the damage.

If none of the inlet valves are bent, its possible I could rebuild this easily, as i have a spare set of exhaust valves. Although, if any of the inlets are bent, I'm stuck....

If thats the case, I'm either going to try and find a complete engine to drop in that will run from the off, or declare the car SORN and buy a run-a-round until I decide what I'm going to do with it, and try to find a unit to do the work in.....driveway FTL, just about had enough of it.

So, I guess tomorrow will reveal all, and the path this will go...