Russ_16v's ITB'd & Caged 182 Track Car (Was Crispy's)

[chrispy.clio]

Bloody hell Chris you didn't mess around with that door did you LOL. Nice update.

Do ACW Motorsport Plastics do thermo formed and with Borders like these guys do? http://www.plastics4performance.com/

Nearly £500 if I have all the options from P4P

I don't think ACW do thermoforming, they only do fronts with sliders and rear 1/4's. They can't make the rear screen so I will be buying mine from p4p. Depending if you can wait around a month Ph-rebone and I were going to see if p4p could get us a cheaper price for the rear screen. Probably looking at around a £40 saving on the rear screen.

So if you get 4 windows from ACW for £250-£260 and then the rear for £180 works out at £430 all posted

Oh and the windows from ACW dont come with black boarders but the price above comes with a border kit which you paint on. Really easy to do tho

 

[Tony Hunter]

Yeah Tony from ACW said I should use self tappers too. How many self tappers did you put in each front window?

The windows themselves are held in on the runners with a self tapper in the runner to stop them falling down.
Cannot find the picture with it showing what I did.
I meant putting the door cards in along the top,bloomin tough that is.

 

[Nafoff]

The windows themselves are held in on the runners with a self tapper in the runner to stop them falling down.
Cannot find the picture with it showing what I did.
I meant putting the door cards in along the top,bloomin tough that is.

did you cut back as much as chris?
that was the one thing i was worried about was how much i needed to leave for mounting the doorcards,
i think i am putting my doorcards in with bond/sealant, nice bit of give and will stop them rattling

 

[Tony Hunter]

Yes, the same Mr Bone.

 

[chrispy.clio]

The windows themselves are held in on the runners with a self tapper in the runner to stop them falling down.
Cannot find the picture with it showing what I did.
I meant putting the door cards in along the top,bloomin tough that is.

Spot on! I have left the runners in so I will do the same as you. Thanks for the info

 

[chrispy.clio]

Right well the car is now finished and.................. it doesnt start lol

Car is completly dead, no brake lights, indicators, doesnt turn over, no relays click.

I have tryed checking all the earths and i think they are all right. I suspect it could be the standard loom which i have done some fairly heavy chopping into.


Dont really know what to do



Can i start the car using the Omex or do i need the standard sh*tty loom + ECU to do that? I dont care about having a dash or anything at the moment, i just want to start the car.

 

[Jonny1*2]

That sucks oem wires have a tendency to break mid wire. It will most likely be that. Could be anywhere though. Might be time to ditch all of it and get some tdf race loom in there

 

[Kenny.s]

Whats left of your standard loom?
Does your Omex/TB set up not have it's own loom or does it still use part of the std one?

 

[Laine_16v]

Should be able to fire up the car without any interior loom.

Just needs to provide the Omex loom with 12v, a switched ignition live (however you can use a 12v straight from the battery for testing purposes), and be able to supply the started solenoid with 12v's.

 

[Nafoff]

Oh sh*t,
Do you think this is because of your engine loom?

Shouldn't be to hard to sort with matt if you get to have a chat with him

 

[chrispy.clio]

My Omex loom is fine.

Its the standard engine loom + Interiour loom which doesnt work. And this means i cant get the car to turn the car over.

If you ditch the standard looms and ECU how do i turn the car over?

 

[Kenny.s]

How is the Omex loom tied into the car? Do you know the connections ie +v, Ign+, tacho, fuel pump trigger etc.

I dont know the details of the Clio loom so I cant point you to a specific area but if you have a multimeter or a test light it shouldnt be too hard to figure out whats wrong.

I intend to make my own ecu and car looms from scratch, to eliminate gremlins like this, and to save more weight.

 

[chrispy.clio]

The Omex loom is spliced into the standard loom but this is only to make the speedo work iirc

I took the interiour loom and basically chopped it in half to make it half the size. I then took the standard loom and chopped that in half. I then joined the to together so i could hide it all in the bulk head and just have the wires coming out to the parts they needed to. I think its this which is causing the issue. I may have bitten off more than i can chew with doing that.



Can i not work out a way to manually turn on the fuel pump and starter motor and then the omex should fire up the engine up. Then once the engine is running turn off the starter motor?

 

[Nafoff]

I took the interiour loom and basically chopped it in half to make it half the size. I then took the standard loom and chopped that in half. I then joined the to together so i could hide it all in the bulk head and just have the wires coming out to the parts they needed to. I think its this which is causing the issue. I may have bitten off more than i can chew with doing that?

I don't like the sound of that lol

 

[Gray]

You haven't chopped and re-attached every wire to each other to shorten them, have you?????

 

[chrispy.clio]

Haha, well sort of!

 

[Jay Payne]

Sounds like you shouldnt be messing about with wires tbh

 

[Gray]

Haha, well sort of!

if you have done that it could literally take hours to find the problem DOH!

 

[chrispy.clio]

Oh well live and learn. I'm now after a standard interior and engine loom if anyone has one

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

Reading this and Neils thread, I'm leaving my loom well alone!!

 

[bomber]

Sounds like a dilly of a pickle

I hate it when it goes wrong with wiring, hope you can get it sorted

 

[bomber]

Isn't it worth just starting from scratch rather than getting another loom?

 

[Gray]

As long as you have a basic knowledge and a little common sense you should be fine...

I took my whole loom out of the car, stripped down of all unwanted items, shrink wrapped etc. all plugged back in and worked perfectly!

 

[Cro]

Well lets start with what readings you ARE getting with omex first.

 

[chrispy.clio]

Well lets start with what readings you ARE getting with omex first.

I still can't get it to connect to my laptop, I tried again today. Just keeps going off line. I can never get it to connect. Power is deffently getting to it with my new OMEX loom I made

 

[chrispy.clio]

As long as you have a basic knowledge and a little common sense you should be fine...

I took my whole loom out of the car, stripped down of all unwanted items, shrink wrapped etc. all plugged back in and worked perfectly!

Well you removed the interiour loom, but I removed the standard engine loom too and that much more difficult!

 

[Gray]

True mate, not having a dig

I am just trying to think what help to recommend, but it could be a number of problems you have...

That is the trouble with electronics, they are so easy to **** up

 

[Jonny1*2]

As long as you have a basic knowledge and a little common sense you should be fine...

I took my whole loom out of the car, stripped down of all unwanted items, shrink wrapped etc. all plugged back in and worked perfectly!

Standard looms don't like being disturbed full stop. These looms are made and stretched leaving weak points all over. Could be anything. Aside from checking everything for conformance, starting from scratch or talking to matt is your best bet. If you can change your setup to run solely on omex then it should simplify things.

 

[IcemanUK]

Standard looms don't like being disturbed full stop. These looms are made and stretched leaving weak points all over. Could be anything. Aside from checking everything for conformance, starting from scratch or talking to matt is your best bet. If you can change your setup to run solely on omex then it should simplify things.

I would go with this Chris. It may not be in your planned budget but a trip to Matt is in order here I think. Nick fucked around with his loom and it has just taken and auto electrician 6 weeks to figure it out and get it working again.

Feel for you.

 

[bomber]

Is the omex getting + and - 12v AND switched +12v? (although for the time being this can just be straight to the battery)

Battery isn't fubar is it?

 

[Kenny.s]

How did you wire the kill switch? Did you use the auxiliary contacts?

 

[chrispy.clio]

Is the omex getting + and - 12v AND switched +12v? (although for the time being this can just be straight to the battery)

Battery isn't fubar is it?

Battery was on charge and is full.

I dont understand why I can't connect my laptop to the OMEX. It 100% has power and is earthed properly.

 

[chrispy.clio]

How did you wire the kill switch? Did you use the auxiliary contacts?

At the moment it's just wired by the main cable.

 

[Gray]

Battery was on charge and is full.

I dont understand why I can't connect my laptop to the OMEX. It 100% has power and is earthed properly.

What cable are you using to connect the omex to your laptop?

Do you have the latest firmware / driver?

Have you tried another laptop to rule out any connection and or port related issues?

What Operating system is on your laptop, is that compatible with the Omex connectivity and or software?


Just out of interest have you tried another battery (just to ensure its not that, tick another thing off the list) ?

 

[Kenny.s]

Is it getting an ignition live though? if none of your dash etc is powering up it's unlikely the ecu is getting an ignition live

 

[Silent_Scone]

This is why I'm not touching mine!!!

Have you used that cable with the omex before Chris? It should be a RS232 pin to pin cable or 'extension' cable as it's called

 

[Kenny.s]

This is why i'm making my own loom! that way I'll know exactly how it's all done and have my own diagrams etc

Once I get round to it, ill see if there's any interest in making some extra ones but it would be a very minimalistic loom with the bare minimum of compenents required to function. I have a friend who has been making some custom ECU looms for Impreza's using Raychem type 44 aerospace wire, which is what I'm also going to use, for the ecu loom anyway, decent thinwall wire is fine for the car loom.

 

[bomber]

You have both +12v to the omex yea? 30000%?

Battery earthed properly? Are you getting 12v at the battery and at the 3 terminals of the omex? Have you got a electrical meter to test it with?

 

[Conlon]

i ran into a few problem when chopping my interior loom down, spent quite alot of time getting it sorted. luckily enough i managed to sort mine out and it is fine now.

 

[Nafoff]

Reading this and Neils thread, I'm leaving my loom well alone!!

Hey, mine has no issues yet lol

As long as you have a basic knowledge and a little common sense you should be fine...
I took my whole loom out of the car, stripped down of all unwanted items, shrink wrapped etc. all plugged back in and worked perfectly!

i ran into a few problem when chopping my interior loom down, spent quite alot of time getting it sorted. luckily enough i managed to sort mine out and it is fine now.

I never knew both of you did this, thats re-assuring