It's for camber mainly, not spacing. I'm maxed out on the bolts and it's not really enough
Thought you were gona run different coilies? Should give you more the spax don't seem to give much.
It's for camber mainly, not spacing. I'm maxed out on the bolts and it's not really enough
Aye, forgot about the slotted holes you get in other coilies actually. Meh, still tempted to try it [emoji23] it's something different. Still have my old subframe if it goes tits too.Thought you were gona run different coilies? Should give you more the spax don't seem to give much.
Aye, forgot about the slotted holes you get in other coilies actually. Meh, still tempted to try it [emoji23] it's something different. Still have my old subframe if it goes tits too.
From what I've worked out (or tried to), the only thing it could affect is the caster if they're not lined up perfect. Any upsets to camber/toe can be brought back into alignment. Could affect roll centres too, but I can't see a mil or two causing that much of an issue if the car is lowered and the wishbone angles are all fucked anyway.Seems like a massive effort, not only that I would be concerned about throwing other things out as I think you will struggle to get 4 holes lined correctly,
He can do the full car for a reasonable price if need be mate lolCheers mate, I'll keep that in mind! Might end up being the two rear quarters that need painted though depending what colour I go with it 🙈
It's for camber mainly, not spacing. I'm maxed out on the bolts and it's not really enough
I hope you appreciate how difficult this is for me to say on record and it probably won't happen again but
I agree with Fraser.
Ouch, now I feel dirty.
Just a heads up I can supply GAZ golds direct from gaz for £750 inc custom spring rates and deliveryBeen a boring Saturday night in looking at various things to buy for this! Thinking about stealing @dann2707's rose joint idea for the rear arb... (Has it made a noticeable difference to yours?)
No idea what to do about coilies either. The Spax RSX ones I ran last year I thought were pretty good (considering what I paid for them), but the rears are knocking now, can't be refurbed, and at 150 or so quid a side for new ones that's out the question! The fronts also don't let me run as much camber as I'd ideally like to, so I want to change them anyway. Been looking into BC's and KW's, but both are 700-800 quid for a set and that's a lot more than I really hoped to spend. The BC's do look like a great setup mind you, and so far not read a bad review about them on here...
Cheers mate. Weighing up options the now but will keep it in mind!Just a heads up I can supply GAZ golds direct from gaz for £750 inc custom spring rates and delivery
I only paid 300 odd quid for the spax in the first place. It's false economy replacing rear shocks at that price when the fronts could go soon too. Plus they don't give enough camber and realistically I should probably be looking at stiffer spring rates now than what the spax have.How is £300 out the question for two new rear shocks? But you're considering £800 for a full new set? Seems backwards to me....
Cost just seems an irrelevant point to make then, maybe just my opinion.
I need to get new rear shock for mine, they're £200 and that's just for 2 shocks not a coilover unit like yours so seems cheap to me.
You don't need ASTs. Times wise there was no massive benefit over mid range coilovers with the correct spring rating....Fairly serious, but surely over £800 the only real option is AST's? I ain't quite that serious (or baller) yet [emoji23]
Had thought about SLS for 2017 though so I guess there's no point in cheaping out this year and having to upgrade again.
I agree with this!You don't need ASTs. Times wise there was no massive benefit over mid range coilovers with the correct spring rating....
Fairly serious, but surely over £800 the only real option is AST's? I ain't quite that serious (or baller) yet [emoji23]
Had thought about SLS for 2017 though so I guess there's no point in cheaping out this year and having to upgrade again.
What would you be classing as mid range mate? KW, BCs etc like I've mentioned, or cheaper? Also any advice on spring rates? I know Fraser upped his on the KWs but I've never looked into figures with this stuff before.You don't need ASTs. Times wise there was no massive benefit over mid range coilovers with the correct spring rating....
As above, have you got any recommendations for spring rates? I'll take all the advice I can get just now!I agree with this!
Spring rates, alignment and sort out roll centre is where money should be spent.
Although saying that I can't talk, I conformed and bought a set of ASTs... [emoji48]
Failed to get a lap in it though lol. It looked good...but I'm not sure that's what counts in coilies that expensive! 😂You saw mine with ASTs at Blyton. If that helps! Lol!
Gaz GHAs can run springs up to F:500R650. Which is very good for a £500 coilover.What would you be classing as mid range mate? KW, BCs etc like I've mentioned, or cheaper? Also any advice on spring rates? I know Fraser upped his on the KWs but I've never looked into figures with this stuff before.
As above, have you got any recommendations for spring rates? I'll take all the advice I can get just now!
As for roll centres, I wish this last group buy Mark is doing was 2 or 3 months down the line, then I might be able to afford it! 😞
Failed to get a lap in it though lol. It looked good...but I'm not sure that's what counts in coilies that expensive! 😂
Gaz GHAs can run springs up to F:500R650. Which is very good for a £500 coilover.
It's really hard to judge spring rates unfortunately as it's preference, in general I think clios respond well to a stiffer rear end, but that's down to me preferring a sharper turn in and having to deal with a more lively rear end.
Track car with a bit of road: in lbs - think it's ÷ 5.47 to find out newtons iirc...
400/450
450/450
450/500
Is where I'd want to be at.
Lbs is what I work in anyway. f**k that kg/mm and N/mm stuff, confuses the life out of me lol!
I'd say I'm the same as you as liking the rear end stiffer. Always had my arb set to it's stiffest setting and kept the damping up high on the back, but the Spax coilies I had were only 342 front and 228 rear (according to ktec anyway). That's full rear coilover units though so I think that makes a difference to the rates.
BC's are the only ones I've found to list spring rates online so far. They have 450 up front and a choice of 225 or 280 on the rear. Seems soft compared to what you'd recommend!
Lbs is what I work in anyway. f**k that kg/mm and N/mm stuff, confuses the life out of me lol!
I'd say I'm the same as you as liking the rear end stiffer. Always had my arb set to it's stiffest setting and kept the damping up high on the back, but the Spax coilies I had were only 342 front and 228 rear (according to ktec anyway). That's full rear coilover units though so I think that makes a difference to the rates.
BC's are the only ones I've found to list spring rates online so far. They have 450 up front and a choice of 225 or 280 on the rear. Seems soft compared to what you'd recommend!
Yeah, seems like the 280lb ones is as stiff as they go.I think that the general consensus with the BCs and the coilovers you spec'd is that people complain that they can't get high enough spring rates for them (but haven't looked much into it tbh)
The rear coilover unit work on a 2:1 motion ratio - I'm confusing myself a little bit in my head though, so I can remember if you'd need twice as hard spring on a platform set up to be equal to a rear coilover set up or the other way round. hey ho.
And if you have a Rarb or your rear beam welded that's essentially doing the job of harder springs, making it roll less. etc so obviously thay should be taken into account.
Cheers Craig that's gave me a fair bit of food for thought. I know I definitely won't be going with anything as expensive as ASTs now anyway (or springs rates that stiff!)I ran GAZ GHAs before switching to ASTs. They were standard spring rates and that was my only concern but as Coilovers go I couldnt fault them and they were generally good and handled knockhill well. I believe the bodies are painted now so they don't tarnish after 2 months use and end up looking 5 years old. Adjustable rear struts so all good for road n track. Rear height drop will be limited as its spring n cup, but not really an issue. I have heard mixed opinions on GHAs but can fault them. My cousin now uses my old set on his Clio at knockhill.
The change to AST is an upgrade and there is no doubt about it. Even on standard road springs the car ran much flatter. After 2 track days and discussions with AST I upgraded to race weight springs, so I now run 90n front and 110n rear, sorry don't know Lbs rating, but roughly translated fu@kn hard front and even Fu@kn harder in the rear and I love it...... Are they really worth 3 times the price of GAZ? Don't know really and that would your decision but tine improvement wise..... No
As a side note I do like the look of BC and Frasers PH1 runs really well on FK.... ( just to confuse things)
Decisions decisions Stuart, but just to clarify, and as Frasers comment, your car and times were very good on your spax. Especially considering you've only done a handful of track days, so why not build the car, refurb or get new rear spax and get another year out of them or until the right deal comes up on the forum??
Cheers Craig that's gave me a fair bit of food for thought. I know I definitely won't be going with anything as expensive as ASTs now anyway (or springs rates that stiff!)
Good point you've made about the Spax though. They did to work well for a fairly cheap(ish) coilover setup. My only issue with them is how little camber they give. Even with camber bolts maxed out I had about -1.5 degrees and I'm still wearing the outside edges of tyres, so I was hoping to get that up to around -2.5 degrees and that was half my reasoning for wanting some different coilovers with slotted bolt holes on the fronts. That, and it'd be nice to have new ones for building the new shell back up with!
I've emailed BC (leaning towards these if anything tbh) and they said they can now do varying spring rates for the rear apparently which seems good as my only gripe with what I found online was that they seemed to have fairly soft rear springs.
I think for now though building the car back up with the Spax (as they are) maybe isn't a bad idea, and I'll look into new suspension in a few months time. Focus money on other bits just now.
You reckon? I was undecided on what to do, it just seemed the easier option since there would be less to swap over!Leave the heater. I really don't understand why people remove it!
I would probably leave mine in if I didn't have the heated screen, but the screen is f**king awesome!
Would maybe look at the lightweight heater, but then again there would not much weoght difference between the standard one and the lightweight one and the standard one does a much better job!
Oh sorry must of missed that, yeah thought you had an alternative but missed what it was...I've got a heated screen mate, wouldn't have been considering not transferring the heater matrix without that! I've heard good things about these screens haha will be good to see how well they work.
I'm actually not sure I ever mentioned it! Came with the shell when I got it.Oh sorry must of missed that, yeah thought you had an alternative but missed what it was...
Really really well! Normal mist disappears in seconds. I went out in a rain storm the other night (Henry) with my polycarbs, roof scoop holes in the floor (forgot to put grommets back in after re shell) - the foot wells were pretty flooded but the screen stayed completely mist/fog free.
Was very impressed.
The website recommends using two looms etc but I wired it all into one bigger ampage relay and seems to do the trick, saves a bit of time etc.