Views on 172/182/Cup Inlet manifold / GDI ECU / Cam Package

[Ali]

To be honest I wouldn't trust anyone other than Andy Cutler and the GDI lads.

I was just making a point that too many ppl in here give out tuning advice that are not qualified.

Lay off the crack pipe wee guy...GDi have had their fair share of poor work...Not to say others haven't...Who else have you used?

Ali has experience on tuning the F4R so I'd say he's got a more than valid point. Are you a tuning expert?

Not really...I've stripped the block and sent it away, don't pretend to know anything about Flow technologies or Chassis dynamic's...I leave that to the professionals. And in this case, Minster, AWT and IFMOTORSPORT.

have any of you lot actually EVER ASKED a company about their qualifications? or just gone there on a recommendation?

(ps Ali, i'm insulted princess)

You're not on the scene anymore chap...So reno tuning has lost one of the few 'helpful' people. Don't doubt Andrews work at all, just like a point of contact in any given company.

Anyway, best shifting bak on topic. If you think the Package is for you, go for it. I've driven a couple with this package and it goes well enough. GDi have perfected it...eventually.

 

[Ali]

theres alot to be said for both experience and qualifications. IMO its FAR better be eduacated on the theory AND THEN learning the practical skills, as opposed to knowing the little bit youve read here or there, AND being good with a spanner.

Gospel truth that! Thumbs up

So many fitters in the automotive indusrty now...Not enough genuine engineers!

 

[mini-valver]

I did'nt mean physically built or changed the engine yourself, I meant had work done to the F4R and driven the car standard and modified. So you're in a position to comment on wether the work you had done was worth it.....

 

[Ali]

I did'nt mean physically built or changed the engine yourself, I meant had work done to the F4R and driven the car standard and modified. So you're in a position to comment on wether the work you had done was worth it.....

Ah appologies! Misread that! Yeh for sure, Mine sounded great and 'was' particularly fast. Until it was wrapped round a tree! (RIP Pinky)

But the more i did to it the less i enjoyed it. The suspension killed it for me and the brakes were far too racey...

Keep it as it is...and enjoy it!

 

[mini-valver]

I remember when you sold it, saying you wished you'd stopped at sportlines, lol.
Loved that car though!

 

[Ali]

I remember when you sold it, saying you wished you'd stopped at sportlines, lol.
Loved that car though!

Yep. Looked better and better. But essentially for road use, went worse and worse.

 

[MarkM]

I have a similar package on mine, but with OMEX and cable throttle.

It gives the car better mid range and driveability but I would dispute the 20bhp claims for peak power increase.

My car has been on 3 RRs with the following results

GDI - 205bhp
Norhtampton Motorsport - 194bhp
TOTD - 187bhp

10-15bhp increase for a cams package IMO

I would stress that the only way that this is worth doing is if you are planning to keep the car for a long time. Looking at the devaluation of tuned cars when it comes to resale makes me cringe.

 

[TheJesus]

you can always put them back to stock and sell the aftermarket parts though, imo you'd get more that way depending on the conversion itself

 

[MarkM]

you can always put them back to stock and sell the aftermarket parts though, imo you'd get more that way depending on the conversion itself

But paying the labour to get the conversion done then paying it again to return to standard isnt cheap. Also who wants to buy a second hand set of cams and the remap will be money lost aswell.

 

[TheJesus]

depends on how long you keep cars for I guess, I'd personally wait til the belt is due again then remove the cams and sell the ECU part ex for a non flashed/mapped one. You'd get £400 for the cams easily imo too, 2nd hand makes no odds, they are billet. The Omex is worth a fair chunk as well.

 

[lewisniven]

£1500 for a 20bhp gain roughly? thats £75 per hp!

Not worth it in my opinion, but obviously its your car and your money. I rekon the novelty would wear off tho, and ud be left with a car that was ever so slightly quicker than standard, and ud never get that £1500 back.

 

[Ali]

Spk to Donz about this, i beleive he had this package. Went well enough no questions asked. But could he sell it??? NO Eventually stripped everything off it bar the cams and sold for dirt cheap...

 

[TheJesus]

Spk to Donz about this, i beleive he had this package. Went well enough no questions asked. But could he sell it??? NO Eventually stripped everything off it bar the cams and sold for dirt cheap...

mods dont devalue a car, they just reduce the amount of people you're selling to, but Clio's dont fetch much 2nd hand either way anymore.

 

[MarkM]

Spk to Donz about this, i beleive he had this package. Went well enough no questions asked. But could he sell it??? NO Eventually stripped everything off it bar the cams and sold for dirt cheap...

mods dont devalue a car, they just reduce the amount of people you're selling to, but Clio's dont fetch much 2nd hand either way anymore.

How much has ross got his car up for sale now?

Low mileage 04 182 with about 12k of quality mods. He has been trying to sell it for ages and it is up for about 8k.

 

[MarkM]

Top spec everything and he cant sell it.................

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/258299.htm

 

[TheJesus]

will probably take a couple of months to sell it, but worst case he can always get stock parts and sell the aftermarket ones, but in either case those mods are nothing to do with this thread and we're talking about a £1500 cam conversion... not exactly a lot of money imo

 

[Ali]

will probably take a couple of months to sell it, but worst case he can always get stock parts and sell the aftermarket ones, but in either case those mods are nothing to do with this thread and we're talking about a £1500 cam conversion... not exactly a lot of money imo

That may well be the case son, but what we're debating is the gain's per each one of those £1500...Does the cost justify the gains...imo no. You'd need to do what you have to make it worthwhile!

 

[MarkM]

will probably take a couple of months to sell it, but worst case he can always get stock parts and sell the aftermarket ones, but in either case those mods are nothing to do with this thread and we're talking about a £1500 cam conversion... not exactly a lot of money imo

The point was that modifying the car will devalue it which is valid in this case.

Ross has had that up for sale for over a year now.............

 

[Andyman]

Top spec everything and he cant sell it.................

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/258299.htm

Lack of interior will be a big minus point there.

 

[Ali]

Top spec everything and he cant sell it.................

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/258299.htm

Lack of interior will be a big minus point there.

LOL, there a good bit more to it than that!

 

[TheJesus]

will probably take a couple of months to sell it, but worst case he can always get stock parts and sell the aftermarket ones, but in either case those mods are nothing to do with this thread and we're talking about a £1500 cam conversion... not exactly a lot of money imo

That may well be the case son, but what we're debating is the gain's per each one of those £1500...Does the cost justify the gains...imo no. You'd need to do what you have to make it worthwhile!

does it on any car though? If you thought Clio tuning is expensive try owning a scooby or evo, then you'll think that £500 high end stainless cat back systems are cheap. More money to mod, more gains, less output at the wheels per £ spent, but it's all relative. Clio is small hence why it's NA, so when you spend x amount and you get 20bhp, but someone in a Jap tubby spends more but gets 60+bhp, just put it in perspective of bhp/ton costs instead.

 

[Ali]

That may well be the case son, but what we're debating is the gain's per each one of those £1500...Does the cost justify the gains...imo no. You'd need to do what you have to make it worthwhile!

does it on any car though? If you thought Clio tuning is expensive try owning a scooby or evo, then you'll think that £500 high end stainless cat back systems are cheap. More money to mod, more gains, less output at the wheels per £ spent, but it's all relative. Clio is small hence why it's NA, so when you spend x amount and you get 20bhp, but someone in a Jap tubby spends more but gets 60+bhp, just put it in perspective of bhp/ton costs instead.

You just made my point! For the Clio the F7R isn't a tunable motor, bit like the vee...

The evo's etc will reep far greater results for the same money. But then you have to own an evo which makes you.....

 

[TheJesus]

I think you have misread or not understood what I put... nevermind

 

[mattjk]

Like the 182 for sale - would have been interested myself if id seen it at the time