+1.Scenic 1.616v!Rear caliper piston 34mm plus the bigger brake pad and the disc ~270mm!!
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182 trackday racer
And the size of the 197 cylinder? If anyone have the itemnumber for the 197 main cylinder Id be most happy.
182 trackday racer
What kind of pads are avaliable for this setup?
Would not 197 rear calipers be more suitable with a 197 main cylinder?
Laguna is a bigger car so it should have bigger disks,pads,calipers.
197's have the same design (as in bearing part of the disk) as the Clio iirc, laguna setup or similar will be better as you can fit a bigger bearing with a separate hub/disk design, stronger and cheaper to replace disks too.
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
i *think* it is....
from member mikekean:
from member mikekean:
"Just incase anyone is interested i bought 197/200 master cylinder in the end from Renault, its goes on the 172/182 no probs at all. The only things you need to change are change the rear brake line fitting for M10 instead of M12 (200 cylinder has two M10 outlets instead of M10 front M12 rear on the 172 cylinder), wind the push rod out on the servo (doesnt have to be done but there will be more slack before the pedal acts on the M/C) and you have to use the brake resivoir seals from you 172 cylinder on the 200 one. Other than that its goes straight on,
Im yet to test it on the road yet but the pedal has less travel now and is much firmer which is what i was aiming for, feels more factory now. "
found this : http://www.mister-auto.nl/fl/hoofdr...-1-cr0-1-2-0-16v-sport-197pk_v19355_g258.html
seems to be two types, what is the difference between the esp one and the one without?
and which one would I need for the 182?
Im yet to test it on the road yet but the pedal has less travel now and is much firmer which is what i was aiming for, feels more factory now. "
found this : http://www.mister-auto.nl/fl/hoofdr...-1-cr0-1-2-0-16v-sport-197pk_v19355_g258.html
seems to be two types, what is the difference between the esp one and the one without?
and which one would I need for the 182?
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Can I ask why you want to change it anyway? my pedal feels quality on my Cup with brembos fitted, pedal is right at the top and firm.
ESP is a stability program so I would say without. PM Mike, I'm sure he will be willing to help.
Can you post your findings in here if you do please.
ESP is a stability program so I would say without. PM Mike, I'm sure he will be willing to help.
Can you post your findings in here if you do please.
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
But a 182 has esp right?
not really sure if I want to go this route yet, though I have the feeling the pedal should be firmer. (all calipers are well bled, all hoses are new....)
not really sure if I want to go this route yet, though I have the feeling the pedal should be firmer. (all calipers are well bled, all hoses are new....)
They have some type of stability program iirc.
Your having issues with the pedal feel? My master cylinder is different to yours being a Cup but I have absolutely no issues or need for improvement just now, might change when/if I change to a laguna setup at the rear.
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
just think it is overly long in travel, no spongyness or anything like that.
i'd prefer pressure dependant adjustability as oppossed to travel dependant (that's what it feels like to me at the moment)
No problems woith braking force or retardation whatsoever.
i'd prefer pressure dependant adjustability as oppossed to travel dependant (that's what it feels like to me at the moment)
No problems woith braking force or retardation whatsoever.
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
just thought of something....
Mikekean talks about winding out the pushrod "wind the push rod out on the servo (doesnt have to be done but there will be more slack before the pedal acts on the M/C)" could this be done on the standard MC aswell?
and what part does he mean exactly, the piston?
Mikekean talks about winding out the pushrod "wind the push rod out on the servo (doesnt have to be done but there will be more slack before the pedal acts on the M/C)" could this be done on the standard MC aswell?
and what part does he mean exactly, the piston?
+1.Scenic 1.616v!Rear caliper piston 34mm plus the bigger brake pad and the disc ~270mm!!
Would this not cause over braking on the rear?
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
I'd imagine he's meaning the actual pushrod that comes out the servo and activates the master cylinder mate.
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
thanks, so that is adjustable?
can that be done with it on the car?
or should this be fully out already on my car?
can that be done with it on the car?
or should this be fully out already on my car?
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
I've not had any experience of the Clio pushrod so I can't say 100% yes it can be adjusted, but I would imagine that yes it is adjustable. There's normally a lock nut to hold the rod secure that you loosen and screw out as necessary.
Clio 182 FF
Just been re-reading through this thread. So these discs, I take it they are the same as those supplied in the Pure Motorsport kit... and basically the PMS kit it the same as this, but uses normal 197 Brembo's instead of the special R2 ones (whatever the difference is) and brackets to suit, and the PMS kit comes with custom made hoses. Have been looking at the PMS kit, but I wanted to find the disc parts to understand replacement cost for the discs first!
Clio172cup rally car
Ye the pms discs are the r2 discs, and the calipers are excaltly the same, no difference between the r2 ones and the clio 197/ megane calipers,
The discs ain't cheap tho mind, I think I paid 350 for the pair from rsport for mine
Clio172cup rally car
I hope so, because I can't afford to keep changing these lol
182 trackday racer
Yes, thats right. I think PMS got the product idea from this thread tbh.
I choose to go with the Hi-Spec discs at £120 a piece instead of these at £183 figuring Ill earn the bells in the long run. Besides bells are light and cool
Also going custom allow me to place the disc a fair bit further inwards allowing these discs/calipers to fit std wheels with only a 2-5mm spacer. I also find some joy in designing stuff by myself.
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182 trackday racer
Hi-Spec 300x28 with curved vanes compared to standard 280x24. May run a bit cooler...
I want to avoid this from happening, nice I guess the heat eats a lot of discs and pads. Check 8min into the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFlkg7M2_U&list=UU76EQSKaUWDMrXMksgVo93w
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 182 FF
Nothing wrong with that... By my maths the PMS kit is £8 cheaper than the Renault parts, and the PMS kit includes correct brake hoses
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But yeah, the cost of those discs is probably the main downside of this setup if you go through them quickly!
182 trackday racer
Offcause not
182 trackday racer
172
how can anywhere justify over a tonne for brackets ,robbery if u ask me .i've a 172 i have myself a set of brembos to go on but was unsure how big disc to go but read through and 300mm sounds right .i'm running 17s so space is sound ,but what disks are recomended i read the r2 tarmac twingo is it or some other aftermarket.
If poss i'd like to stay all standard parts even if they are a different model so twingo ones sound good,if i go to my local man and can get some knocked up anyone else interested
If poss i'd like to stay all standard parts even if they are a different model so twingo ones sound good,if i go to my local man and can get some knocked up anyone else interested
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
didn't somebody have a 197 rear brake conversion for sale on here? sold a front conversion aswell....can't seem to find it now.
found it:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?728523-big-brakes-front-and-back&highlight=197
oh and apparently a laguna 1 Master cylinder works aswell and is 23.8mm (LHD only ofcourse)
found it:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?728523-big-brakes-front-and-back&highlight=197
oh and apparently a laguna 1 Master cylinder works aswell and is 23.8mm (LHD only ofcourse)
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George@RTR_Parts
ClioSport Trader
May have been the French lad "noos" or something similar mate
George@RTR_Parts
ClioSport Trader
The lad in the above link Chris Powell was sorting a group buy out for members on here for the brackets I think mate
Thought I'd pop a quick message on here.
Managed to install Grand Scenic 300mm/ 24mm thick front discs and pads using larger scenic carriers , pads but keeping the 133's 57mm Caliper.
Before
After
before (before install of brembo max )
after
7701209199 - £75.21+VAT (£90.25 inc VAT) per side
410600756R - £49.48+VAT (£59.38 inc VAT)
7701207897 - £70.40+VAT (£84.48 inc VAT) per disc
Have found better Tarox pads for the larger Brake pads or may just use 133 Ferodo DS2500 pads in the future.
Managed to install Grand Scenic 300mm/ 24mm thick front discs and pads using larger scenic carriers , pads but keeping the 133's 57mm Caliper.
Before
After
before (before install of brembo max )
after
7701209199 - £75.21+VAT (£90.25 inc VAT) per side
410600756R - £49.48+VAT (£59.38 inc VAT)
7701207897 - £70.40+VAT (£84.48 inc VAT) per disc
Have found better Tarox pads for the larger Brake pads or may just use 133 Ferodo DS2500 pads in the future.
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