Big brakes using Renault parts?

[skydiver]

Look into mk1 laguna/safrane rear brakes, supposedly you can fit the entire rear hub assembly including stub axles etc straight on as that's what the later Cup Racers ran, the benefit is a separate hub and disks which are bigger and so Re the caliper pistons.

The only thing I'm not sure on is if the handbrake cables fit, brake lines can be adjusted easily.

+1.Scenic 1.616v!Rear caliper piston 34mm plus the bigger brake pad and the disc ~270mm!!

 

[GodSpeed]

22.2mm.

And the size of the 197 cylinder? If anyone have the itemnumber for the 197 main cylinder Id be most happy.

 

[GodSpeed]

+1.Scenic 1.616v!Rear caliper piston 34mm plus the bigger brake pad and the disc ~270mm!!

What kind of pads are avaliable for this setup?

Would not 197 rear calipers be more suitable with a 197 main cylinder?

 

[MG cup]

What kind of pads are avaliable for this setup?

Would not 197 rear calipers be more suitable with a 197 main cylinder?

Laguna is a bigger car so it should have bigger disks,pads,calipers.

197's have the same design (as in bearing part of the disk) as the Clio iirc, laguna setup or similar will be better as you can fit a bigger bearing with a separate hub/disk design, stronger and cheaper to replace disks too.

 

[skydiver]

Guys,if you want to keep your ABS,you have to put the hub and disc above!!!!
P.s GodSpeed the size of 197 cylinder is 23,8mm!The pad avaliable for this setup is this one:

 

[GodSpeed]

Is the 197 main cylinder a straight swop on a Clio 182?

 

[bozothenutter]

i *think* it is....

from member mikekean:

"Just incase anyone is interested i bought 197/200 master cylinder in the end from Renault, its goes on the 172/182 no probs at all. The only things you need to change are change the rear brake line fitting for M10 instead of M12 (200 cylinder has two M10 outlets instead of M10 front M12 rear on the 172 cylinder), wind the push rod out on the servo (doesnt have to be done but there will be more slack before the pedal acts on the M/C) and you have to use the brake resivoir seals from you 172 cylinder on the 200 one. Other than that its goes straight on,

Im yet to test it on the road yet but the pedal has less travel now and is much firmer which is what i was aiming for, feels more factory now. "


found this : http://www.mister-auto.nl/fl/hoofdr...-1-cr0-1-2-0-16v-sport-197pk_v19355_g258.html

seems to be two types, what is the difference between the esp one and the one without?
and which one would I need for the 182?​

 

[MG cup]

Can I ask why you want to change it anyway? my pedal feels quality on my Cup with brembos fitted, pedal is right at the top and firm.

ESP is a stability program so I would say without. PM Mike, I'm sure he will be willing to help.

Can you post your findings in here if you do please.

 

[bozothenutter]

But a 182 has esp right?

not really sure if I want to go this route yet, though I have the feeling the pedal should be firmer. (all calipers are well bled, all hoses are new....)

 

[MG cup]

But a 182 has esp right?

not really sure if I want to go this route yet, though I have the feeling the pedal should be firmer. (all calipers are well bled, all hoses are new....)

They have some type of stability program iirc.

Your having issues with the pedal feel? My master cylinder is different to yours being a Cup but I have absolutely no issues or need for improvement just now, might change when/if I change to a laguna setup at the rear.

 

[bozothenutter]

just think it is overly long in travel, no spongyness or anything like that.
i'd prefer pressure dependant adjustability as oppossed to travel dependant (that's what it feels like to me at the moment)
No problems woith braking force or retardation whatsoever.

 

[GodSpeed]

Im not sure I want to change it either, Ill try with the stock 182 one first.

 

[skydiver]

Α friend of mine has on his 182CUP,front disc(bell conversion 4 stud) and AP brake caliper from Clio ph2 V6,the OEM main cylinder.No problem!

 

[bozothenutter]

just thought of something....

Mikekean talks about winding out the pushrod "wind the push rod out on the servo (doesnt have to be done but there will be more slack before the pedal acts on the M/C)" could this be done on the standard MC aswell?

and what part does he mean exactly, the piston?

 

[Ph1 Tom]

+1.Scenic 1.616v!Rear caliper piston 34mm plus the bigger brake pad and the disc ~270mm!!

Would this not cause over braking on the rear?

 

[NorthloopCup]

just thought of something....

Mikekean talks about winding out the pushrod "wind the push rod out on the servo (doesnt have to be done but there will be more slack before the pedal acts on the M/C)" could this be done on the standard MC aswell?

and what part does he mean exactly, the piston?

I'd imagine he's meaning the actual pushrod that comes out the servo and activates the master cylinder mate.

 

[bozothenutter]

thanks, so that is adjustable?
can that be done with it on the car?
or should this be fully out already on my car?

 

[NorthloopCup]

thanks, so that is adjustable?
can that be done with it on the car?
or should this be fully out already on my car?

I've not had any experience of the Clio pushrod so I can't say 100% yes it can be adjusted, but I would imagine that yes it is adjustable. There's normally a lock nut to hold the rod secure that you loosen and screw out as necessary.

 

[Westyfield2]

This kit uses Brembo 4-pot calipers that are visually the same as on Clio 197/200, 300x27 AP discs with vents from the inside and curved vanes in the discs.

Brake parts Twingo R2
Part	EN description	ItemNr	pcs	Price a piece ex VAT
Disque AVG AP Ø300X27	Disc	7711167475	1	153,48
Disque AVD AP Ø300x27	Disc	7711167476	1	153,48
Etrier AVG	Caliper	7711167539	1	208,46
Etrier AVD	Caliper	7711167540	1	208,46
Support étrier AV Asphalte	Caliper bracket	7711167480	2	120,82
Vis CHC M14x150-80	Caliper bolt	7711167479	4	3,96
Vis CHC M12x125-45	Bracket bolt	7711160599	4	5,10
Rondelle contact Ø12x24 ép:1.8	Washer	7711156931	4	0,20

Just been re-reading through this thread. So these discs, I take it they are the same as those supplied in the Pure Motorsport kit... and basically the PMS kit it the same as this, but uses normal 197 Brembo's instead of the special R2 ones (whatever the difference is) and brackets to suit, and the PMS kit comes with custom made hoses. Have been looking at the PMS kit, but I wanted to find the disc parts to understand replacement cost for the discs first!

 

[Andrewclio]

Just been re-reading through this thread. So these discs, I take it they are the same as those supplied in the Pure Motorsport kit... and basically the PMS kit it the same as this, but uses normal 197 Brembo's instead of the special R2 ones (whatever the difference is) and brackets to suit, and the PMS kit comes with custom made hoses. Have been looking at the PMS kit, but I wanted to find the disc parts to understand replacement cost for the discs first!

Ye the pms discs are the r2 discs, and the calipers are excaltly the same, no difference between the r2 ones and the clio 197/ megane calipers,

The discs ain't cheap tho mind, I think I paid 350 for the pair from rsport for mine

 

[Chip-mk1]

Proper vanes in the disk makes a massive difference to how well they keep cool.

 

[Andrewclio]

Proper vanes in the disk makes a massive difference to how well they keep cool.

I hope so, because I can't afford to keep changing these lol

 

[GodSpeed]

Just been re-reading through this thread. So these discs, I take it they are the same as those supplied in the Pure Motorsport kit... and basically the PMS kit it the same as this, but uses normal 197 Brembo's instead of the special R2 ones (whatever the difference is) and brackets to suit, and the PMS kit comes with custom made hoses. Have been looking at the PMS kit, but I wanted to find the disc parts to understand replacement cost for the discs first!

Yes, thats right. I think PMS got the product idea from this thread tbh.

I choose to go with the Hi-Spec discs at £120 a piece instead of these at £183 figuring Ill earn the bells in the long run. Besides bells are light and cool Also going custom allow me to place the disc a fair bit further inwards allowing these discs/calipers to fit std wheels with only a 2-5mm spacer. I also find some joy in designing stuff by myself.

 

[GodSpeed]

Proper vanes in the disk makes a massive difference to how well they keep cool.

Hi-Spec 300x28 with curved vanes compared to standard 280x24. May run a bit cooler...

I want to avoid this from happening, nice I guess the heat eats a lot of discs and pads. Check 8min into the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFlkg7M2_U&list=UU76EQSKaUWDMrXMksgVo93w

 

[bozothenutter]

I've not had any experience of the Clio pushrod so I can't say 100% yes it can be adjusted, but I would imagine that yes it is adjustable. There's normally a lock nut to hold the rod secure that you loosen and screw out as necessary.

Any picture of this?
Had a look the other day but don't know what is what.

 

[Westyfield2]

Yes, thats right. I think PMS got the product idea from this thread tbh.

Nothing wrong with that... By my maths the PMS kit is £8 cheaper than the Renault parts, and the PMS kit includes correct brake hoses .
​
But yeah, the cost of those discs is probably the main downside of this setup if you go through them quickly!

 

[GodSpeed]

Nothing wrong with that...

Offcause not

 

[Fred@BTM]

you don't want your brakes glowing red? WHY! Its awesome haha!

 

[GodSpeed]

you don't want your brakes glowing red? WHY! Its awesome haha!

I promisse to make my best effort to make the new ones glow aswell

 

[fluffy dice]

how can anywhere justify over a tonne for brackets ,robbery if u ask me .i've a 172 i have myself a set of brembos to go on but was unsure how big disc to go but read through and 300mm sounds right .i'm running 17s so space is sound ,but what disks are recomended i read the r2 tarmac twingo is it or some other aftermarket.
If poss i'd like to stay all standard parts even if they are a different model so twingo ones sound good,if i go to my local man and can get some knocked up anyone else interested

 

[MG cup]

Scenic mk1 are 300mm, same PCD, same offset, same thickness.

And then there is bells and rotors if you want to go that way.

 

[bozothenutter]

didn't somebody have a 197 rear brake conversion for sale on here? sold a front conversion aswell....can't seem to find it now.

found it:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?728523-big-brakes-front-and-back&highlight=197

oh and apparently a laguna 1 Master cylinder works aswell and is 23.8mm (LHD only ofcourse)

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

May have been the French lad "noos" or something similar mate

 

[BH182]

Can somebody tell me what area of the calliper, from a 225 megane needs machining? (a picture would be great)as I'm still a little confused after some research!
How much does it need to be machined?
Where is the best place to get 280mm brackets ?


Cheers
Ben

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

The lad in the above link Chris Powell was sorting a group buy out for members on here for the brackets I think mate

 

[orbital]

Thought I'd pop a quick message on here.

Managed to install Grand Scenic 300mm/ 24mm thick front discs and pads using larger scenic carriers , pads but keeping the 133's 57mm Caliper.

Before

After

before (before install of brembo max )

after

7701209199 - £75.21+VAT (£90.25 inc VAT) per side
410600756R - £49.48+VAT (£59.38 inc VAT)
7701207897 - £70.40+VAT (£84.48 inc VAT) per disc

Have found better Tarox pads for the larger Brake pads or may just use 133 Ferodo DS2500 pads in the future.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Pictures don't work.

What size wheels are you under as if it's 16 then that's the easy part. It's getting decent brakes under 15 that is hard.

 

[MG cup]

They're 17" wheels on a Twingo Chip (similar hubs)

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ah. Big brakes behind big wheels is easy. Lol.

 

[orbital]

60mm pots need to be ordered at the end of summer, and attempt 270mm rear discs