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Audi TT 225 Quattro
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
hmm not sure if the driveshafts being to long is the problem, i say this because 172 and r19 shafts are very close length wise and they have been used without any issues. i had a passanger side r19 shaft fittted and someone else on williamsclios had the drivers side fitted and did'nt report any problems... have you checked inner and outer cv joints?
shaft size is , Clio 172 LH ( passanger side ): 639mm
RH ( Driver side ) : 734mm
R19 16v LH : 636mm
RH : 732mm
Well...
Gearbox has now been changed, point8 motorsport :clown: item in it's place. Bought some more gearbox oil as the old stuff came out like silver hammerite, put that in, all back together. Cool i thought.
Took it out for a drive and the f*cking thing still vibrates like mad when turning right as it did before.
A bit of a look around and we decide that the driveshafts are too long. I'm running 19 16v wishbones, which are the same as Williams. Quick text to the fox and he's running 172 wishbones. Measure ball joint bolt to wishbone bolt on mine and a 172 and we have 5-10mm difference, 172 being longer. Bingo. I need a pair of 172 wishbones before next weekend.
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hmm not sure if the driveshafts being to long is the problem, i say this because 172 and r19 shafts are very close length wise and they have been used without any issues. i had a passanger side r19 shaft fittted and someone else on williamsclios had the drivers side fitted and did'nt report any problems... have you checked inner and outer cv joints?
shaft size is , Clio 172 LH ( passanger side ): 639mm
RH ( Driver side ) : 734mm
R19 16v LH : 636mm
RH : 732mm
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
All CV joints are fine, definitely length that is the problem. Although 3mm does seem minimal, that'd make a hell of a difference when it's as tight as it is.
I'll get a photo up showing the difference (praying that there is one!) between the 172 and 19 wishbones later on.
Thanks for the info mate
All CV joints are fine, definitely length that is the problem. Although 3mm does seem minimal, that'd make a hell of a difference when it's as tight as it is.
I'll get a photo up showing the difference (praying that there is one!) between the 172 and 19 wishbones later on.
Thanks for the info mate
TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
may only be a few mm, but believe me, when me and chris had it jacked up and turned the passenger wheel it was making the gearbox/engine assy move from side to side because of the driveshaft being too long/ wishbones too short.
may only be a few mm, but believe me, when me and chris had it jacked up and turned the passenger wheel it was making the gearbox/engine assy move from side to side because of the driveshaft being too long/ wishbones too short.
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
A few phone pics ive taken over the past few days but havent got round to posting:
Engine and box back in having been changed
Old box, taken apart for sh*ts. The silvery paint looking stuff on the cardboard is infact my old gearbox oil. Nice!
This is what i cleaned out of my driveshaft gaiter, shavings of metal
All connected back up and dropped back down onto wheels
182 wishbone on left and 19 on the right. I did take a couple of pictures with the ruler in to show the difference, but they failed quite hard and I couldn't make the numbers out, definitely different though by a good few mm.
182 wishbones on. Camber much?
I've not been able to try it yet as I glued the last of my windows in this morning so I'm waiting for that to dry. Will give it a go after work tomorrow and fingers crossed it'll all work.
:hail:
A few phone pics ive taken over the past few days but havent got round to posting:
Engine and box back in having been changed
Old box, taken apart for sh*ts. The silvery paint looking stuff on the cardboard is infact my old gearbox oil. Nice!
This is what i cleaned out of my driveshaft gaiter, shavings of metal
All connected back up and dropped back down onto wheels
182 wishbone on left and 19 on the right. I did take a couple of pictures with the ruler in to show the difference, but they failed quite hard and I couldn't make the numbers out, definitely different though by a good few mm.
182 wishbones on. Camber much?
I've not been able to try it yet as I glued the last of my windows in this morning so I'm waiting for that to dry. Will give it a go after work tomorrow and fingers crossed it'll all work.
:hail:
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
if you slacken off your hub nut you can check the driveshaft plunge, mine are in the 7-10mm range.
if you slacken off your hub nut you can check the driveshaft plunge, mine are in the 7-10mm range.
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Not particularly no, I'd guess at a couple of degree's. I could possibly have reduced it further but I don't want it to be quite that tight.
I'll report back tomorrow evening when ive had a go. Fingers crossed.
Not particularly no, I'd guess at a couple of degree's. I could possibly have reduced it further but I don't want it to be quite that tight.
I'll report back tomorrow evening when ive had a go. Fingers crossed.
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
As in the shaft will move 7-10mm into the box? When jacked up or under its own weight? What setup is this with?
As in the shaft will move 7-10mm into the box? When jacked up or under its own weight? What setup is this with?
TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
I bet there would have been zero on the old setup
I bet there would have been zero on the old setup
TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Usually under own weight, take hub nut off and shaft should move in under pressure a bit.
Usually under own weight, take hub nut off and shaft should move in under pressure a bit.
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
under weight is best, but whatever. Ideally you check the suspension anywere that it can be, and steer as well, you only need to have some plunge everywhere (plus a bit to allow for flex).
Setup? I've done a few. I did what you did, so I know that R19 shafts are not the same as Williams shafts, I had no plunge on the one side, so made longer wishbones to suit. It would have been easier had I known that 172 bones were longer. Still, I got to play with the geometry at the same time.
Thinking back, it was probably the passenger side that was too long (not 100%), I don't know what failed on your gearbox, but it's possible that your driveshaft broke it.
When you fit the wider bones check the plunge on the offside isn't around 20mm, they can get close to falling out - which can get messy, been there, got the T-shirt.
under weight is best, but whatever. Ideally you check the suspension anywere that it can be, and steer as well, you only need to have some plunge everywhere (plus a bit to allow for flex).
Setup? I've done a few. I did what you did, so I know that R19 shafts are not the same as Williams shafts, I had no plunge on the one side, so made longer wishbones to suit. It would have been easier had I known that 172 bones were longer. Still, I got to play with the geometry at the same time.
Thinking back, it was probably the passenger side that was too long (not 100%), I don't know what failed on your gearbox, but it's possible that your driveshaft broke it.
When you fit the wider bones check the plunge on the offside isn't around 20mm, they can get close to falling out - which can get messy, been there, got the T-shirt.
TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
:evil:
It does the job, trust me!
Been for a ride in it earlier n he scared the livin daylights outta me at 1 point!!
Handles very well to say the least.
:evil:
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
It needs a little fine tuning, then all will be revealed
whats this mount then?
It needs a little fine tuning, then all will be revealed
TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Rig up racing strikes again. Better than bricktec
It needs a little fine tuning, then all will be revealed
Rig up racing strikes again. Better than bricktec
The Boosh!
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Elise, Duster
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Good luck mate. Dont bin it!
xx
Good luck mate. Dont bin it!
xx
TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
is that eventful or expensive?
is that eventful or expensive?
