clio 182T yey or ney?

[mark1989]

hi all, well after selling the 197 last month:dapprove: a got a 1.2 clio and it just wont do tbh cant stand it no longer :boring:ha anyhoo am on the hunt for summit with a turbo next year and just woundered what your opinions on the 182t were? a mean obviouse suggestions are imprezza evo etc and i am looking but have always been curious about a cliosport turbo conversion, any suggestions or comments appreciated.

many thanks mark,

 

[BROCKYS_172]

yey !!!!!

 

[mark1989]

its more the mechanical side like gearbox etc are these more likely to go with more power running through?

 

[Alan]

Waste of time and money, buy car that was built with the turbo/super charger from factory, next?

 

[Magic Johnson]

Strange downgrade! Lol.

I'd avoid it personally.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

best off asking the people that own them, otherwise you'll get 5 pages of responses from people that wouldn't know their arse from their elbow but feel they have to pipe up nonetheless.

 

[Fletcher]

I'd buy a faster car TBH.

 

[0-100mphin15sec]

best off asking the people that own them, otherwise you'll get 5 pages of responses from people that wouldn't know their arse from their elbow but feel they have to pipe up nonetheless.

Damn straight. lol

 

[Magic Johnson]

best off asking the people that own them, otherwise you'll get 5 pages of responses from people that wouldn't know their arse from their elbow but feel they have to pipe up nonetheless.

If you have to ask the OP's question then I'm guessing he doesn't know his arse from his elbow regarding turboing a Clio engine, in which case the correct advice would be to avoid, as it'll be far more hassle than it's worth.

 

[mark1989]

well av always fancied an evo but a 182 has always interested me :evil:

 

[mark1989]

you are correct im no mechanic and tbh i would just get k-tec etc to do work but are they reliable thats all am wanting to know. was hoping the title would draw in a few owners to get feedback from them.

 

[cat171]

Speak to Legohead- he had/has a black turbo'd 182.

IF it's set up right, happy days !

 

[Tom]

Supercharger please.

 

[mark1989]

is there more power to be had from a supercharged 1*2 over a turbod version

 

[Tom]

Probably not, but power is nothing without control.

 

[DMS]

best off asking the people that own them, otherwise you'll get 5 pages of responses from people that wouldn't know their arse from their elbow but feel they have to pipe up nonetheless.

Exactly. Without owning one or building one it's impossible to know what they're like. Ohhh too much torque the gearbox can't take it etc... Not necessarily true.
I plan to get a boost controller so I can turn the boost down a bit in first and second, in order to be kind to the gearbox and aid with traction. If you just run full boost all the time and hammer first and second, it probably won't be too reliable because the amount of torque is immense.

you are correct im no mechanic and tbh i would just get k-tec etc to do work but are they reliable thats all am wanting to know. was hoping the title would draw in a few owners to get feedback from them.

K-Tec did mine and so far the only issue I had was the pipe slipping off the throttle body (resolved with a new hose clip @ 50p)
Although mine's not running full boost yet, it gets treated to WOT and high revs every day, and it seems quicker every time I drive it.
It's not using any oil, it's still fairly easy to drive, the brakes are still good enough even though they're standard and it's not even cost me anything extra in tyres yet. Obviously all the above may change when it's running full boost, but only time will tell.

One thing to bear in mind though, if you go for the Stage 2 setup like I've done, the paddle cluth is very difficult to get used to at first - stop start traffic is a nightmare lol. It does bed in and get easier to use after a couple of thousand miles though.

 

[Magic Johnson]

you are correct im no mechanic and tbh i would just get k-tec etc to do work but are they reliable thats all am wanting to know. was hoping the title would draw in a few owners to get feedback from them.

So would most people, but it's the knowledge of maintaining it that would be the problem for you. And it could cost you an arm and a leg diagnosing the problem, nevermind fixing it. And there will be problems.

 

[mark1989]

is it easy enough to cope with as a daily driver? obviously am taking into account the extra expense tyres, fuel etc

 

[Magic Johnson]

If you're looking for it to get you from A to B without any hassle, forget it.

(Going by what I've read in the forced induction projects).

These cars need a lot of time and knowledge and money mate, if you don't have all of those then don't bother. Go for a charged Cooper S or something instead.

 

[T.Trophy]

If your willing to do a full engine low compression rebuild then a largish turbo will give good bhp/torque figures.

If you dont want to rebuild your engine give RStuning a ring and get there SC kit. Value for money it has to be the best way to hit 250bhp.

Remeber though, that a SC kit is almost a mirror image of the original power graph, as such you will have a lower torque figure in comparison to bhp.

A turbo on the other hand will provide almost like for like power figures, for example mines at 267bhp/262lbft @12psi.

Driving them on the road you'll be genuinely impressed at how much traction the chassis can generate, even in the wet. I've driven considerbly less powered vehicles on good tyres that were considerably worse.

Obviously theres quite a few conversions out there now so have a go of a few and decide what suits you.

Steve

 

[mark1989]

So would most people, but it's the knowledge of maintaining it that would be the problem for you. And it could cost you an arm and a leg diagnosing the problem, nevermind fixing it. And there will be problems.

this is the only reservation i have thats why am also looking at other options and with k-tec being so far away its not like i can just pop in but if ya dont ask you will never find out seems a bit of research and homework is necessary.

(sorry for any bad spelling ha)

 

[DMS]

Mine's not as good as a standard 172 at being a daily driver, but it's by no means unbearable.
The interior is still standard bar the sound deadening tar which I've started removing, so I've still got the leather, climate control, stereo, ash tray, back seats, etc...
I think if I stripped it out it'd be unbearable. Stripping is the aim in the long term, but only when I've got something else to run to and from work in.

I'd say the big thing is running costs. It'll chew tyres quicker (although mine are holding up well so far), it's a lot thirstier when gunning it (probably get about 150 miles to a tank tops), oil and filter changes need to be done more regularly and don't forget about the added increase in the cost of insurance.
I weighed up all the pro's and con's before getting mine done. I did it because I can afford to run it, but if you're unsure then don't.

EDIT: And what Stevieh said in his post is true. The torque is REALLY impressive and traction really isn't an issue.

 

[mark1989]

many thanks to every1 who has posted nice to get different opinions am off to do a lot of homework on these and hopfully be all clued up also baring the sc in mind

 

[DMS]

Mark. I believe Legohead on here has a 182 turbo for sale.
It's got an engine problem but you could always buy that and ship it off to K-Tec or another specialist to be repaired. It might work out cheaper in the long run.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

wow, yet more non forced induction owners giving out incorrect and poor advice.

Don't know about a turbo, but a charger shouldn't give you any problems at all, the standard engine, box and clutch will be absolutely fine. A C30-94 wont start killing bits of your car and provides a lot more power than the turbo kits on offer at equal boost levels.

 

[Jonny1*2]

i'd defo drive them before you plough all the money in mate. FCS next year maybe if ktec are doing the free drives again. Personally I would go for the low boost turbo, plainly because it's not silly power to the front wheels which to be fare spin when standard and you can keep the aircon. Supercharger is also tempting, but he AC removal puts me off a bit. When it does get hot in this country aircon is a must imo. My daily drive doesn't have it and its horrible when warm.

 

[T.Trophy]

wow, yet more non forced induction owners giving out incorrect and poor advice.

Don't know about a turbo, but a charger shouldn't give you any problems at all, the standard engine, box and clutch will be absolutely fine. A C30-94 wont start killing bits of your car and provides a lot more power than the turbo kits on offer at equal boost levels.

Correct but only because the manifold and turbine causes back pressure in the cylinder head and as such requires more positive boost pressure for similar flow rates. The down side is obviously the heat generated making it more det likely on stock compression.

At the moment the most powerfull F4R engines out there are turbocharged, untill a SC F4R comes along and knocks Scoffs 551bhp F4R engined R5 off the top spot, but to be honest I can't see that happening anytime soon.

 

[Tom@JMS]

I believe the SC is the way forward on the F4R, suits the character of the engine to a tee!

 

[T.Trophy]

I agree Tom and for those who are looking to avoid the low compression engine route it's the only way to hit 250bhp.

However for power and torque a suitable set up turbo will be hard to beat.

The fact that with a simple boost controller you can tailor the power to suit is also a bonus.

 

[Jonny1*2]

charger does look the shiz though :approve:

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

Correct but only because the manifold and turbine causes back pressure in the cylinder head and as such requires more positive boost pressure for similar flow rates. The down side is obviously the heat generated making it more det likely on stock compression.

At the moment the most powerfull F4R engines out there are turbocharged, untill a SC F4R comes along and knocks Scoffs 551bhp F4R engined R5 off the top spot, but to be honest I can't see that happening anytime soon.

350-400bhp is easily done on a charger with forged internals, but I'd say it's more a case of wanting it. 551bhp is super awesomely impressive, but I use my car every day and commute to work in it and like to do an occasional trackday, so that kind of power is of no interest to me. I was just pointing out that of the kits on offer for a standard engine, the charger generates more power at equal boost and the C30-94 will do 1.6bars easily enough... That would however also be OTT imo, 260bhp is scary enough lol

 

[DMS]

It'll be interesting to see how much power and torque an SC'd F4R with a forged bottom end makes. I don't know of one yet, I don't know if anybody else does?

 

[Peperami]

Dave (legoheads) is a nice car, and one of the earlier turbo builds. Its quick, and sounds amazing. He's had a fair bit of trouble with it though, which may speak of the reliability of running a turbo on the f4r engine.

How long have you had yours for dms?

 

[T.Trophy]

350-400bhp is easily done on a charger with forged internals, but I'd say it's more a case of wanting it. 551bhp is super awesomely impressive, but I use my car every day and commute to work in it and like to do an occasional trackday, so that kind of power is of no interest to me. I was just pointing out that of the kits on offer for a standard engine, the charger generates more power at equal boost and the C30-94 will do 1.6bars easily enough... That would however also be OTT imo, 260bhp is scary enough lol

The problem (as mentioned in my last post) is once you configure your supercharger to run 350+ that's what it will run regardless. At least there is abit of adjustability with a turbo install. TBH I think its great that theres so many tuning options now available for the clios, when I got my trophy in 2005 it was ITB's or an incredibly expensive turbo kit and that was pretty much it.

 

[Peperami]

350-400bhp is easily done on a charger with forged internals, but I'd say it's more a case of wanting it. 551bhp is super awesomely impressive, but I use my car every day and commute to work in it and like to do an occasional trackday, so that kind of power is of no interest to me. I was just pointing out that of the kits on offer for a standard engine, the charger generates more power at equal boost and the C30-94 will do 1.6bars easily enough... That would however also be OTT imo, 260bhp is scary enough lol

Whats yours running mate?

 

[Gaz_]

Not even with a barge pole. If you want 'turn key' reliability, a 182T is a no no!!! Money pits imo

 

[kingchrissyp]

For what it would cost to do you d be better off buying a better car to begin with!Plus you will lose a fortune

 

[Gaz_]

Exactly, nice evo 5 or something for 6k, done.

 

[DMS]

How long have you had yours for dms?

It's been turbo'd since the end of September. So far so good

 

[Peperami]

Ah good effort mate. Have to keep the club updated on its longevity.

Impreza p1's go for 9k or so nowadays, scary fast turbo car. Evo 7? etc etc.

Id figure 11k or so for a 182 and all the work.