Cub's Flamer - Supercharged, Cage etc

[Rob]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Interesting stuff, using oil you say? Sounds like we both own BMW's

I wouldn't worry about nursing, I'd just do some tests, pre leaving. So take it for a motorway/a road blast and see how much it uses over 100 miles, then just workout your stops on the way to le mans and back for oil. If you're going to kill it off anyway, just don't worry and enjoy it!

 

[Cub.]

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Lol, all the running costs of a BMW, without the rwd perks

Yeah, it doesn't use too much on the m/way - seems to really drink it on track when its constantly 'on cam' and under constant high rpm and hard use. Doesn't surprise me.

I reckon a 5l bottle will get me to Le Mans and back with some left over

 

[couzens]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Can you stay behind me on the motorway? I don't want all that blue smoke getting in the Vee.

 

[Chip-mk1]

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Hang a bucket off your exhaust, you can catch the oil and re-use it,.

 

[Rob]

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Basically just an advanced catch tank? I like it. Could we then install a small pump off of the 12v cigarette feed to pump it straight back through a 8mm line into a small hole drilled into the oil filler cap?

It'll last forever!

 

[Cub.]

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FLOL!

Chip & Rob - great idea, I'll let you work up a prototype I'm happy to test!

Ryan - I'm happy to stay behind you, watch and listen to the V6 warbling away all day long

 

[Chip-mk1]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Basically just an advanced catch tank? I like it. Could we then install a small pump off of the 12v cigarette feed to pump it straight back through a 8mm line into a small hole drilled into the oil filler cap?

It'll last forever!

I saw a video of a car in some random foreign place with a leak and he had a child catching it and pouring it back in the engine, so im sure a pump could do the same thing.

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Can't believe I missed this thread. Car looked well at Bedford Ollie with all the white bits. Those harness's were a bit of a b*****d to sort out though complete with cage hopping to get to them. When do you suppose the engine will be sorted out by?

 

[Cub.]

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Lol - they were a b**ch to sort, thanks for your help with those bud. Depends on the house move, but I'm hoping new engine will be built and in around Nov time. You paid for the next Llandow yet? I see you've been acquiring a few goodies for yours Flamers FTW.

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

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Lol - they were a b**ch to sort, thanks for your help with those bud. Depends on the house move, but I'm hoping new engine will be built and in around Nov time. You paid for the next Llandow yet? I see you've been acquiring a few goodies for yours Flamers FTW.

No not booked Llandow yet, still not decided if I am or not. With my holiday in July and an event I have in August ans the fact I am having my engine done the trackday year is running out already quite fast. I like Llandow and always have a good laugh there but I might be doing a bigger track around the same time. Need to see what happens yet.

Regarding mine I now have front and rear spacers (handles so well now) also having the door cards James is sorting out a group buy on. After some cooksport springs after that and the engine going in and she should be good for a few more thousand miles on track.

 

[Cub.]

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Fair enough mate. The goodies sound nice for yours, will be keen to see it in action again. What engine ? Straight swap?

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Fair enough mate. The goodies sound nice for yours, will be keen to see it in action again. What engine ? Straight swap?

I bought Rhys's engine that was originally Dan Mallett's engine. F4R lump with cams. The ac is also getting deleted whilst the engine is out. Need to speak to Rhys about the items I need for the induction kit but apart from that just waiting for the say so to take the car to BTM and get the engine fitted. When I dropped the engine off the place was over run with Clio's so I know Fred is busy, just waiting my turn.

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Sounds good, which Cams?

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

GT, think they are similar to 421's, it apparently ran very well at a RR day last year. Its got ARP bolts as well.

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Nice. Definitely need to see it in action, although I fear that may be some time next year by the looks of it

 

[dmallett]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

GT, think they are similar to 421's, it apparently ran very well at a RR day last year. Its got ARP bolts as well.

They are more similar to 428's. The engine is so smooth youll love it

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

They are more similar to 428's. The engine is so smooth youll love it

Only heard good things about it Dan.

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Update time. Been a while, again, so apologies - its another big one and pic heavy.

If you can't be bothered to read all the stuff below; its still burning oil, but not gone pop yet.

Detail

The flamer was looking a bit sorry for itself, so I whisked it down to Ant (Scrooge) & Rob on here to visit the famed unit and get a good going over and full detail, including correction and headlight correction etc. Suffice to say, the pictures speak for themselves and I was over the moon with how it looked. The guys did a great job, and i'd recommend them to anyone . Link to the detailing thread here;

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...s-Caged-Flamer-Detailed&highlight=Cub,+Detail

Le Mans

Team Anorak joined the Failsport and Norfbest on the annual pilgrimage to Le Mans. First time I had been and it was awesome. Truly awesome. Like an automotive disney world, coupled with loads of beer and bbqs. What more could you ask for. The flamer did fine on the journey down and back, carrying Tim and I with no drama. The roll cage made packing interesting, but I was surprised how much it got in it.

It was stickered up as follows;

Parts

After Le Mans I went on a mini spending spree purchasing the following (most of it from Nick172Cup - cheers bud!)

- Arch Liners with brake ducting
- Pure Motorsport Top Mounts
- Pure Motorsport Front Strut Brace
- Pure Motorsport Race Shifter Kit
- 2ltr Oil Catch Tank (Motorsport spec)
- Eibach Camber Bolts
- RS Tuner (largely for diagnostics and fault finding)


Problems

As well as burning oil, it has developed a 'crazy speedo' & ABS fuse blowout problem. I suspect it is an ABS ring or a both an ABS sensor and the speedo cable that has gone. I'm hoping to get it over to our friendly Budgie to do a diagnosis with the new RS Tuner. I bought two ABS sensors for the rears second hand off here. I want to try to get this fixed before Burpspeeds Llandow track day on Aug 24th. If I can't I won't run the car as 50/50 braking is a bit alarming.

Oh, and I need to put spending on hold for the next 6 months or so, as I'm hoping to exchange in the next two weeks on this

Which comes with a garage, so I can finally work on the clio myself. Cannot wait!

 

[Bobby.]

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A nice read this thread. I love them last pics.

 

[Wick]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Just popped in to nosey at the cams and cage and spotted you had a C4S!! What shape? Any pics?

Love this flamer so much!

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

A nice read this thread. I love them last pics.

Just seen these comments, cheers Bobby. Rob and Luke take credit for the photos, and Scrooge (Ant) did the detailing with Rob his assistant!

Just popped in to nosey at the cams and cage and spotted you had a C4S!! What shape? Any pics?

Love this flamer so much!

I only have a few of the porsche knocking about. 911 (996 C4S) in Seal Grey, with Porsche Sports Exhaust (switchable), Sat Nav and a few other extras. I couldn't afford the insurance on a Turbo.

Bought it when I was 26, had always been an ambition to have one, ran it until I nearly turned 28 then sold it as it had a service that financially brought tears to my eyes. Cracking car, but they aren't cheap to run. I was always too scared to track it aswell, hence moving onto the flamer!

I don't regret owning one, but I wouldn't have a modern one again. I'd love a classic 356 though! Don't know why the piccies below have gone little? Apologies, they are shocking quality. Back then I wasn't so much into getting decent photos!

 

[Wick]

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Pse is wonderful! That looks superb!

 

[JaredHasNoBrain]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Bumping this after seeing it with the trophy,ph1 and saxo thread.
Don't know what it is with this clio buts its an amazing example!

Only thing I would touch is the washer jets tbh, I got some carbon fiber blank cover ones I won't be using that I'd be happy for you to own

 

[AlexW]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

I love it when this thread get bumped as I love to see it as I scroll down. Looks perfect, but then I do love a real flamer!

 

[Bobby.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Bumping this after seeing it with the trophy,ph1 and saxo thread.
Don't know what it is with this clio buts its an amazing example!

Only thing I would touch is the washer jets tbh, I got some carbon fiber blank cover ones I won't be using that I'd be happy for you to own

What a salesman!

 

[Christopher.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

How have i never commented in here !

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Oh hai!

Cheers Jared and Alex - nice to know it has some fans other than me Appreciate the washer blank offer chap - very kind.

Its really not very well at the moment, so a winter of work on it is planned. New engine, with some goodies planned. I complete on the new house tomorrow, so it gets a nice big garage to live in, instead of outside.

Chris - cheers for the photos bud

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Update time.

Job no. 1 this winter is sorted - prepping the flamers new home;

Having sorted the garage, I have a job list as long as my arm, all to get done before the Trackday Season opener at Bedford on the 15th Feb. I have ordered an engine stand and Mike is kindly bringing his engine crane over and helping me - Budgie - Hero! The job list is as follows:

- Put the replacement engine (sourced from Lukes old Trophy) on the engine stand, strip it down and clean it up before giving it a new lick of paint.
- Remove the old engine (another job for Mike and me, avec a lot of Corona and anyone else who wants to join).
- 'investigate' the old engines oil eating problem. chip_mk1 is kindly helping with this.
- Whilst the engine is out, I'm getting the box out and sending off to Gripper for some maintenance on the diff.
- With the engine out, I'm going to clean and tidy up the engine bay with some painting / touching up.
- Sort the ABS problem which I think may be the wire running from the ECU behind the heat shield, on the bulk head.
- With the replacement engine out, do the cambelt and retime it.
- When the box is back from Gripper, fit the gearbox and painted engine / ancillaries.
- Fit the PMS Shifter kit
- Fit the oil catch tank
- Fit the PMS Top Mounts and Strut brace kit
- Get the K-tec map for the 438's off the ECU and remap the new engine
- Fit the camber bolts
- Fit the new arch liners with built in brake ducts.

This is the engine, awaiting some elbow grease

I have also agreed a deal with Christopher for these;

They come shod with a set of Yoko A048's, which have one or two trackdays left in them

So, a busy winter ahead, but I can't wait to get my hands dirty and work on the flamer and learn a bit more about it mechanically.

Longer term plans, lairy cams and ITB's or a turbo

 

[harry289]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Those tyres in the picture look like AD08's, not A048's?

I love a good engine clean up!

By the way that garage set up looks amazing! SO JEALOUS

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Those tyres in the picture look like AD08's, not A048's?

I love a good engine clean up!

By the way that garage set up looks amazing! SO JEALOUS

Good spot, my mistake, they are AD08s

Cheers, the garage was hard work but well worth it. Never ending dust in the prep stages, nearly drove me mental!

More garage photos in here:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?722311-A-few-weekends-well-spent-New-Garage-Content

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Project 'Fix the Flamer' swung into force last night

Our resident dwarf and Herbertez popped over to help me get the engine onto its stand and stripped off the spare ancillaries that came with it (alternator etc). Budgie and Nick_172Cup - Fanks! Here are some photos of Mike doing what he does best, and Nick and I doing what we do best - watching.

Offered up. The wee man was struggling here, but we didn't bother helping.

On the stand.

Then used Mikes Monaco to jump start the Flamer, and get it in the garage;

Plenty of space to work on it still

I then spent some time this afternoon removing the induction kit, throttle body, inlet manifold and fuel rail guard.

This is showing all the signs of a nice and healthy engine. Not exactly surprising.

I then took off the sound deadening on the underside of the bonnet, and was delighted to see a few years ago that Claude hadn't taken an early cheese and wine lunch in Dieppe, and had actually painted the bonnet to quite a high standard. Was half expecting it be bare metal

I then set about cleaning a few bits up with some degreasant, brake cleaner and wire brush / wire drill bits. Ready to be painted;

One half clean, one half not clean;

This one is work in progress still...

Before;

Not finished yet, but some progress;

More progress will be made this weekend hopefully

 

[.Andy.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Great update mate! Keep the progress coming

 

[Daz.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

I really do have a scary urge to get another mk2 and it would HAVE to be a flamer.

 

[BIGASH]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Awesome stuff mate Garage looks epic! Carpet to protect the floor paint haha

 

[Tim.]

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Nice work Cubster & chums.

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Cheers all!

Nice to get going at it. BIGASH - carpet was just lying around. Honest Tim. Need to see your Beemer bud, pop over on Sunday eve if you're about, you can help me on the flamer

 

[Christopher.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

I though Mike was joking about Nick just standing there when they did my gearbox ! Now i know the truth

Top lads though.

Im slightly jealous of the garage, got to sort the bench out in mine this weekend.

 

[Budgie]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Such a nice change to work somewhere warm and dry.

Lol! Honestly, that's the extent of Nick's effort. He'll give you some bullshit about being 'project director' or something, but he's just plain lazy.

 

[Cub.]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

Lol, when you race cars, you don't fix them Nick172Cup

 

[dmallett]

Re: Cub 172's Flamer Project

I like this car and i like your garage!