incy-spiders Clio 182 turbo

[incy-spider]

Thought I had nur footage on my phone, it’s on my NAS so I’ll dig it out!

 

[incy-spider]

Currently thinking about selling my Clio.. I keep thinking about a new project and unfortunately can’t find anyway to fund it without selling this on.

Would seriously consider it if the right offer came around, I’ve owned it for 13+ years so would be like selling my arm!

Little spec list

Engine:
Clio 182 block and head, Megane 265 pistons and rods with valve cutouts, grooves for bearings machined into big ends
NPR NE piston rings
Bores honed
ACL race bearings
ARP rod studs and nuts
OEM head gasket (.65)
Supertec inconel valves
Head faced and valve stem seals replaced
9:1 comp ratio
GTX2860R ceramic ball bearing Gen 2 v band anti surge turbo with 11blade billet compressor wheel
Custom v band manifold
AEM water methonal injection
Huge AEM water methonal tank
630cc Deka Siemens injectors
Ph1 fuel rail with reg and return
Radium engineering fuel damper
GEN90 Ecu
Boost control
Fuel swirl pot external pump (quiet)
PMS full exhaust system, with custom PMS down pipe
Mishimoto J-line race intercooler
Custom Pro alloy triple pass radiator 50mm core
Lower temp thermostat
Engine bay ducting
Mocal oil cooler

Gearbox:
all from PMS 089 casing with PMS strengthening plate, gearbox rebuilt 3months ago, new bearings throughout, new synchros, RSX racing Soloutions LSD, new shims, driveshaft couplings/gear fresh from Spain when gearbox built. RTS 5 puck custom paddle clutch with stronger clutch pressure plate and centre hub rated for power.

Chassis:
Custom rate Bilstien front coilover, dyno’d to suit 512lb springs
Rear Bilstien coil overs with progressive spring rate
Northloop roll centre kit
Rear white line arb
300mm PMS brembo kit
Braided lines
PMS top mounts and brace
Braided lines
ABS computer feed lines moved from bulkhead to allow more space for heat shield
Vibra Technic engine mounts (no vibration)
PMS rear axle 10mm shims
PMS wheels studs
DS1.11 pads up front DS2500 rear

Interior/exterior:
Very tidy, immaculate everything.
Recaro trendlines with Jon Foz subframes
OMP steering wheel and boss
PLX devices multi gauge, wideband/boost
Alpine DAB head unit
Focal speakers

Currently on 86k miles, 372hp 360lb ft


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[NorthloopCup]

I’ll give you £100 kesh. Can collect tonight. Let me know.

 

[incy-spider]

I’ll give you £100 kesh. Can collect tonight. Let me know.

Okay mate! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[Adey.]

that sounds the bollox on chat , looks like combe?

project must be pretty special to replace that? good luck

 

[NorthloopCup]

Okay mate! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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Sound. Setting off now 👍🏻

So come on then, what’s the next potential project then mate?

 

[incy-spider]

Currently thinking about selling my Clio.. I keep thinking about a new project and unfortunately can’t find anyway to fund it without selling this on.

Would seriously consider it if the right offer came around, I’ve owned it for 13+ years so would be like selling my arm!

Little spec list

Engine:
Clio 182 block and head, Megane 265 pistons and rods with valve cutouts, grooves for bearings machined into big ends
NPR NE piston rings
Bores honed
ACL race bearings
ARP rod studs and nuts
OEM head gasket (.65)
Supertec inconel valves
Head faced and valve stem seals replaced
9:1 comp ratio
GTX2860R ceramic ball bearing Gen 2 v band anti surge turbo with 11blade billet compressor wheel
Custom v band manifold
AEM water methonal injection
Huge AEM water methonal tank
630cc Deka Siemens injectors
Ph1 fuel rail with reg and return
Radium engineering fuel damper
GEN90 Ecu
Boost control
Fuel swirl pot external pump (quiet)
PMS full exhaust system, with custom PMS down pipe
Mishimoto J-line race intercooler
Custom Pro alloy triple pass radiator 50mm core
Lower temp thermostat
Engine bay ducting
Mocal oil cooler

Gearbox:
all from PMS 089 casing with PMS strengthening plate, gearbox rebuilt 3months ago, new bearings throughout, new synchros, RSX racing Soloutions LSD, new shims, driveshaft couplings/gear fresh from Spain when gearbox built. RTS 5 puck custom paddle clutch with stronger clutch pressure plate and centre hub rated for power.

Chassis:
Custom rate Bilstien front coilover, dyno’d to suit 512lb springs
Rear Bilstien coil overs with progressive spring rate
Northloop roll centre kit
Rear white line arb
300mm PMS brembo kit
Braided lines
PMS top mounts and brace
Braided lines
ABS computer feed lines moved from bulkhead to allow more space for heat shield
Vibra Technic engine mounts (no vibration)
PMS rear axle 10mm shims
PMS wheels studs
DS1.11 pads up front DS2500 rear

Interior/exterior:
Very tidy, immaculate everything.
Recaro trendlines with Jon Foz subframes
OMP steering wheel and boss
PLX devices multi gauge, wideband/boost
Alpine DAB head unit
Focal speakers

Currently on 86k miles, 372hp 360lb ft


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Forgot to add the AP racing clutch master cylinder and PMS wilwood hydraulic slave


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[incy-spider]

Sound. Setting off now [emoji1303]

So come on then, what’s the next potential project then mate?

Not even sure to be honest, nothing out of the box would be a patch on the Clio..

List so far.
M140i but sorted for track rather than the pricks you see all over Facebook with w**k suspension and stage 100000 tunes !!

Golf R

Meg 4 is on the list (too many doors)

I really don’t know… it’s taken me 50 attempts to even get this far and it’s not even a for sale post! Feel dirty now I’ve mentioned it [emoji3061][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[frayz]

How much would you want for it?
Gives folk an idea. 😏

 

[incy-spider]

Forgot to add the AP racing clutch master cylinder and PMS wilwood hydraulic slave


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Oh and the PMS quick rack, PAS pump wheel, EPAS


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[incy-spider]

How much would you want for it?
Gives folk an idea. [emoji57]

9k 🤌


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[incy-spider]

Unfortunately the JC5 089 had enough of 360lbft of torque (wimp)

any way it’s salvageable with a new end casing which cracked and a 5th gear set which is in serious need of the dentist….

anyway, Project NDO is on the way.. to do it right I’m going to be putting all of my Meg 265 internal parts into a very low mileage Clio 200 block to be able to mount the NDO properly and run the billet r26r flywheel and Sachs clutch setup.. it’s well underway, just collecting parts at the mo. Have a shifter, Box, block. Need to order up the Flywheel, clutch and quaife LSD from pure and he’s mailing me up the shafts when I send him the patterns.

Glad I didn’t take this to Germany this year as the 5th gear went basically driving it!

will do more updates..

 

[incy-spider]

Few things to think about, the main one being the reposition of pulleys on the timing belt, as using the 182 head on the 197 block.. if anyone has done similar feel free to share.

Also alternator, AC pump setup… will be all the 197/225 bracket, alternator tensioner. But thinking about the AC pump, may be able to run the 182 one somehow. Again thoughts on this if any?


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[NorthloopCup]

Few things to think about, the main one being the reposition of pulleys on the timing belt, as using the 182 head on the 197 block.. if anyone has done similar feel free to share.

Also alternator, AC pump setup… will be all the 197/225 bracket, alternator tensioner. But thinking about the AC pump, may be able to run the 182 one somehow. Again thoughts on this if any?


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You can potentially convert the 182 head to run with the 197 belt setup by simply removing the idler pulley below the inlet camshaft mate. That’s the pulley you have to add to run a 197 head on a 1*2 block, so I can’t see why reversing the idea wouldn’t work.

You may need to run a bolt in the thread of where the pulley was though to stop any potential oil leaks. It shouldn’t do, but it’s drilled all the way through to a head bolt from memory.

1*2 bottom pulley is smaller than the 197 item as well, so no need to worry about water pump speeds as that is driven by the cambelt on a 197. A lot of people run the 1*2 bottom pulley as a ‘upgrade’ with it being smaller - less rotational mass. Cup racers ran this setup.

 

[incy-spider]

You can potentially convert the 182 head to run with the 197 belt setup by simply removing the idler pulley below the inlet camshaft mate. That’s the pulley you have to add to run a 197 head on a 1*2 block, so I can’t see why reversing the idea wouldn’t work.

You may need to run a bolt in the thread of where the pulley was though to stop any potential oil leaks. It shouldn’t do, but it’s drilled all the way through to a head bolt from memory.

1*2 bottom pulley is smaller than the 197 item as well, so no need to worry about water pump speeds as that is driven by the cambelt on a 197. A lot of people run the 1*2 bottom pulley as a ‘upgrade’ with it being smaller - less rotational mass. Cup racers ran this setup.

I like this! It’ll probably be fairly obvious when I have them side by side.. thanks mate!

totally overlooked the fact the water pump setups are different. It only struck me once I’d striped the block! 🙄

 

[Radugns]

You can potentially convert the 182 head to run with the 197 belt setup by simply removing the idler pulley below the inlet camshaft mate. That’s the pulley you have to add to run a 197 head on a 1*2 block, so I can’t see why reversing the idea wouldn’t work.

You may need to run a bolt in the thread of where the pulley was though to stop any potential oil leaks. It shouldn’t do, but it’s drilled all the way through to a head bolt from memory.

1*2 bottom pulley is smaller than the 197 item as well, so no need to worry about water pump speeds as that is driven by the cambelt on a 197. A lot of people run the 1*2 bottom pulley as a ‘upgrade’ with it being smaller - less rotational mass. Cup racers ran this setup.

Maybe the belt will be too long? Since the tensioner is lower on 182 head.
I've got this problem with tensioner position when going to 197 head and tap the idler in the same position as 182. Then was a pain to find a good diameter pulley.

That idler tap is towards the head bolt, so there can be bit of oil in time.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Maybe the belt will be too long? Since the tensioner is lower on 182 head.
I've got this problem with tensioner position when going to 197 head and tap the idler in the same position as 182. Then was a pain to find a good diameter pulley.

I don’t think there will be an issue tbh.

 

[Radugns]

I don’t think there will be an issue tbh.

Neither me until I was in that situation... )
I also have found Continental belt being "stretched" from new, as the tensioner does never jump in place...

 

[incy-spider]

Lots been happening, bit of head scratching! So far (between work) I’ve notched the chassis leg, built the 197 block up with my Meg 265 pistons and rods. New rings, new ACL bearings, new ARP rod bolts. 182 head modified to accept the 197 belt, had to plug the old tensioner stud and move it up and to the right slightly for the tensioner to work. Block drilled for oil return.

fitted my 225 Meg 6 speed shifter, new heat shield whilst I’m at it.

started on the NDO box earlier, it’s currently all split apart to check for parts, just need diff bearings as they are a bit of a sod to remove and fit to the quaife without damaging and it’s peace of mind.

that’s it for now, hopefully will have the engine in by the end of next week!

 

[frayz]

Lovely. 😍

 

[Clio.lee]

How much of a notch is actually needed

 

[Yarp]

@incy-spider, top work once again! Do you still have to 182 block? If so do you fancy sticking a stamp or three on it and sending it to Steve’s house?

 

[incy-spider]

I was going to build it up with 197 pistons and rods and sell it on mate


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[incy-spider]

How much of a notch is actually needed

Not a massive amount!


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[dann2707]

Lovely work on the notching! I just used a hammer haha

 

[incy-spider]

Thanks mate, it’s a bit overkill to be fair but it’s got plenty of room now, and I used some thick steal whilst keeping a fair bit of the original material


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[incy-spider]

Box is built, new diff bearings, quaife installed, seals etc.. engine is back in on two mounts… dig one to be fabricated. All good so far.

also managed to find some mock up shafts for mock up to be sent away to pure.

gear selection is mange tout!

 

[incy-spider]

Well it runs.. engine is in.

mock up shafts made ad will be sent off next week. Other than that I have a boost pipe to make because of the 197 alternator/AC bracket. Which although has caused a few issues it’s a much simpler setup than the 182 accessories!

want to see a vid?

 

[incy-spider]

😂😂😂 forgot to push record

 

[incy-spider]

Boost pipe problem solved, bends all cut ready for tig welding! Bit extreme but needs to fit nicely, can’t be doing with rubbing and lashed up pipe work!

 

[npt]

Still 9k 🤣....looks perfect so far

 

[davo172]

Still 9k 🤣....looks perfect so far

Is it still for sale?

 

[incy-spider]

Is it still for sale?

Tbf it was one of those moments and now it’s a whole new animal.. need to update this!

Been driving it for 2weeks now with the new 6speed and spec


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[Clio.lee]

how are you finding it. I’ve seen a few people who fitted F4rt plus ndo day they regretted it

 

[incy-spider]

I’ve seen a few ‘efforts’ too! I always try to make things as though they roll out of the factory like it, correct mounting, no rattles, everything has to work right. So far it’s really good… nice to be able to cruise along at around 2k rpm 👌👌

 

[robmuns]

how are you finding it. I’ve seen a few people who fitted F4rt plus ndo day they regretted it

It's not been done right if they've regretted it. The gearbox suits a clio turbo perfectly!

 

[incy-spider]

It 100% suites 380hp over the JC5!

Look at the RPM!!

 

[dann2707]

I’ve seen a few ‘efforts’ too!

That better not be aimed at me 😉😂😂

What I didn't enjoy was the added weight over the front of the car, I felt like the charismatic charm and handling of the clio was negated although that could have been down to the suspension I was running.

Think an Lsd would have significantly improved the drive too, what I didn't enjoy was also how fast it went through the gears. I felt like I was always one handed driving.

 

[incy-spider]

That better not be aimed at me [emoji6][emoji23][emoji23]

What I didn't enjoy was the added weight over the front of the car, I felt like the charismatic charm and handling of the clio was negated although that could have been down to the suspension I was running.

Think an Lsd would have significantly improved the drive too, what I didn't enjoy was also how fast it went through the gears. I felt like I was always one handed driving.

Not at all mate.. mine has a LSD, not really noticed the weight to be honest, will need to corner weight my car again though!

It’s an improvement over the 5 speed for me, seemed to always on the limiter and needed another gear. Still early days though, track time will show!


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[incy-spider]

Update, been a while!! I like to post changes on here just as much for anyone interested and for myself really, like service history this thread!

Last weekend I had a map check by Andy, as I was getting some 22psi boost spikes, should be 16-17ish.. anyway was worth the trip and my concerns were justified, I’ve not been driving hard for this reason or any track work!

turns out my 8psi spring in the actuator had weakened off resulting in some boost control issues, I need to run a 12psi really but we have re worked the boost control accordingly and it’s a solid 16-17psi again.. fuelling perfectly all along so no drama. Feels awesome again, very strong and not hitting boost limit within the ECU which basically closes the throttle when reached for safety! Slightly back the power off until I get a new spring.. sits at 340hp currently and 360lbft!

The 200 bottom end with Meg 265 pistons and rods with Clio 182 head is a great setup, no more over complicated Aux belt setup, easier timing belt replacement in the future, the 6 speed NDO is awesome.. really notice better fuel economy cruising in 6th at 2.5-3k rather than 4.5k.. love it!! Hoping to get some track time in before the year is out. One of the vids shows loading and lots of fuelling setting up boost.. carbon burning off inside the exhaust 😬😬