Speedo Gonzales
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It's a f**king riot with a standard turbo... Let alone a Garrett 😂
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Kangoo Compact (aka Racevan3)
- Thread starter Brigsy
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Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
A crack habit would be cheaper than owning this but i might aswell send it. See if my own engine build will make the numbers.
Cheers mate ill have a look. I think 400hp will be the sweet spot on the street but be nice to have an efficient setup to make good numbers on high boost.
Honestly needs no more power but ill send it regardless
Cant wait to see what it goes like on a g series setup.
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Road trip to Grimbsy yesterday, for car parts obvs.
Donny services was pretty s**t.
Loads of 6 gear cruising.
20t hybrid makes all the noise.
Just the right size for 4x rims with no tyres
260 mile round trip. Easy driving apart from lack of air con.
Thanks for reading!!
Donny services was pretty s**t.
Loads of 6 gear cruising.
20t hybrid makes all the noise.
Just the right size for 4x rims with no tyres
260 mile round trip. Easy driving apart from lack of air con.
Thanks for reading!!
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Updates
Kangoo headlamps were starting to yellow/uv fade on the top. Not the worst but longer you leave it, the harder it is to get them nice again.
Hard to get a pic but on their way at the top.
No wetsanding required, panel wipe, cutting compound / medium pad on da polisher, followed by final polish using finishing pad.
15 mins, done.
Used a ceracote trim wipe on them to protect from uv.
Whilst the wipe was still wet i done the scuttle panel, as the wipes go quite far if your fast.
From faded grey to black again.
Small improvements.
Big job on yesterday moving some gear too.
No updates on the turbo setup yet. Still researching but think ive got a plan
Thanks for reading!!
Kangoo headlamps were starting to yellow/uv fade on the top. Not the worst but longer you leave it, the harder it is to get them nice again.
Hard to get a pic but on their way at the top.
No wetsanding required, panel wipe, cutting compound / medium pad on da polisher, followed by final polish using finishing pad.
15 mins, done.
Used a ceracote trim wipe on them to protect from uv.
Whilst the wipe was still wet i done the scuttle panel, as the wipes go quite far if your fast.
From faded grey to black again.
Small improvements.
Big job on yesterday moving some gear too.
No updates on the turbo setup yet. Still researching but think ive got a plan
Thanks for reading!!
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Updates.
Went to Trax and back in it beginning of the month. No dramas.
Todays job was reprogramming epas. I found out a while back that you can adjust the epas assist on meg2 rs epas on rstuner. Steering is a bit light at speed on the Kangoo and a bit van like so was room for improvement. I made enquiries with Henk to see if a module was possible for the kangoo, but he did not have one for NSK eps ecu so idea was shelved.
Talking to Neil Brooke (Rs independant specialist) yesterday and he said he had seen the same settings on meg epas ecu via Renolink, with settings 1-5 available but unsure what it done. With this in mind i assumed that it might be doable via Renolink on the Kangoo as very similar.
Hooked up Renolink and searched for eps.
Looked in select tuning and found that adjustment was possible, but no idea what mode is what. Its set at 3 originally, and workshop manual flirts around it saying you config it to a certain model but no more info. I assume this is wheel size/engine size specific.
With this in mind i plugged Renolink into my Meg r26 to see what that was set at. Noted number 1, steering feels good on it so assume that it is dulled down for weighted feel.
R26, diff menu same flavour.
With this in mind, i took the send it approach and wrote number 1 to the Kangoo. Took it for test drive and noted steering felt great, loads more weighted feel at slower speeds. With this in mind, i tried every setting to see what they done, and number 5 is very light around the streets. Number 3 is middle ground.
Settled at number 2 which feels great. Light enough for easy driving at low speeds, and great at speed giving more confidence.
Ive also seen that you can do what looks to be custom speed settings/assist. I dont think this is needed for me as its light at low speeds/weighted at higher as oem, but means you could dial in a track car or whatever.
A nice little win. Feels more like a megane when driving which is great and a lot more confidence inspiring at speed.
Also handed the arse to a bam 225 audi tt exiting a roundabout, was right up my arse pushing me. Assume it was stock as it went backwards so fast it was comical..the look of shock/wtf happened on the drivers face was class. Sunday drivers eh.
Thanks for reading!!
Went to Trax and back in it beginning of the month. No dramas.
Todays job was reprogramming epas. I found out a while back that you can adjust the epas assist on meg2 rs epas on rstuner. Steering is a bit light at speed on the Kangoo and a bit van like so was room for improvement. I made enquiries with Henk to see if a module was possible for the kangoo, but he did not have one for NSK eps ecu so idea was shelved.
Talking to Neil Brooke (Rs independant specialist) yesterday and he said he had seen the same settings on meg epas ecu via Renolink, with settings 1-5 available but unsure what it done. With this in mind i assumed that it might be doable via Renolink on the Kangoo as very similar.
Hooked up Renolink and searched for eps.
Looked in select tuning and found that adjustment was possible, but no idea what mode is what. Its set at 3 originally, and workshop manual flirts around it saying you config it to a certain model but no more info. I assume this is wheel size/engine size specific.
With this in mind i plugged Renolink into my Meg r26 to see what that was set at. Noted number 1, steering feels good on it so assume that it is dulled down for weighted feel.
R26, diff menu same flavour.
With this in mind, i took the send it approach and wrote number 1 to the Kangoo. Took it for test drive and noted steering felt great, loads more weighted feel at slower speeds. With this in mind, i tried every setting to see what they done, and number 5 is very light around the streets. Number 3 is middle ground.
Settled at number 2 which feels great. Light enough for easy driving at low speeds, and great at speed giving more confidence.
Ive also seen that you can do what looks to be custom speed settings/assist. I dont think this is needed for me as its light at low speeds/weighted at higher as oem, but means you could dial in a track car or whatever.
A nice little win. Feels more like a megane when driving which is great and a lot more confidence inspiring at speed.
Also handed the arse to a bam 225 audi tt exiting a roundabout, was right up my arse pushing me. Assume it was stock as it went backwards so fast it was comical..the look of shock/wtf happened on the drivers face was class. Sunday drivers eh.
Thanks for reading!!
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Thats the send the command, and hope its not hours of fixing a fuckup look 😂
Speedo Gonzales
ClioSport Club Member
My old dCi had the cup pack so the steering had variable assistance
At low speeds it was super light and at high speeds it was heavy. It was proper good, deffo worth looking at if you can code it in
At low speeds it was super light and at high speeds it was heavy. It was proper good, deffo worth looking at if you can code it in
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Thats the one mate. It seems to work exactly like r26 on setting 2. Massive improvement as it was too van like before with loads of assist.
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Forgot to add, went to U pull it on Sat for a bonnet matt for the 250 (ours is fucked for some bizarre reason) and new is NLA.
Sniffing round i found a complete mk3 megane 2.0tce 180. This engine is visually the same as a 250 with diff turbo etc. Anyway i stripped loads of spares off the engine for the price of a drink.
Inlet is to be modified for kangoo, little idea i have in mind.
Got the continental ems3110 ecu. Its a tce but id imagine its very similar to 250 albeit diff software. I reckon i can de immobilise one and sync up to kangoo.
I had a discussion with Chris @ Efi last week regarding ecu upgrade to 250 ems 3110, for vvt etc. We both agreed the ecumaster black that i have in stock would be a better option for more safety and features.
But still as a project, i might see if i can do the immobiliser and sync. If so it would be a cheap way to run vvt and boost control on a meg conversion. Need to find a cheap tool to bench read the ecu and go from there.
Sniffing round i found a complete mk3 megane 2.0tce 180. This engine is visually the same as a 250 with diff turbo etc. Anyway i stripped loads of spares off the engine for the price of a drink.
Inlet is to be modified for kangoo, little idea i have in mind.
Got the continental ems3110 ecu. Its a tce but id imagine its very similar to 250 albeit diff software. I reckon i can de immobilise one and sync up to kangoo.
I had a discussion with Chris @ Efi last week regarding ecu upgrade to 250 ems 3110, for vvt etc. We both agreed the ecumaster black that i have in stock would be a better option for more safety and features.
But still as a project, i might see if i can do the immobiliser and sync. If so it would be a cheap way to run vvt and boost control on a meg conversion. Need to find a cheap tool to bench read the ecu and go from there.
Mr Trailer Man
ClioSport Club Member
Nice little find of parts there mate.
Speedo Gonzales
ClioSport Club Member
U-Pull-It is one of the last places you can go and strip stuff yourself and not have someone in a hi-viz watching over your shoulder when you're stripping something off
They've always been spot on with me and my dad every time we've been. Pulled the head off a MK4 Astra once and the bloke on the checkout was amazed that it was done so fast and nothing has been taken off with a hammer🤣
They've always been spot on with me and my dad every time we've been. Pulled the head off a MK4 Astra once and the bloke on the checkout was amazed that it was done so fast and nothing has been taken off with a hammer🤣
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Agreed u pull it are spot on, yards like that have dissappeared. What turned into a half hour visit ended up being 2 hours of *carefully removing a meg front end (brute force).
I do miss the days of going down the breakers and getting bits for projects but all the good ones near me have closed. Used to be 4 cars high in one and it was sketchy as climbing up to the top. Good buzz when car was rocking all over.
There is a local large jap breakers near me and they had a mk2 meg in so popped down recently. Ive been looking for a qtr panel to cut. I could see the f**king car from the office and asked if he would do me a cut. Only answer i got was no and he didnt say anything else, no explanation was bizarre. Just walked out the door and went at that point.
I do miss the days of going down the breakers and getting bits for projects but all the good ones near me have closed. Used to be 4 cars high in one and it was sketchy as climbing up to the top. Good buzz when car was rocking all over.
There is a local large jap breakers near me and they had a mk2 meg in so popped down recently. Ive been looking for a qtr panel to cut. I could see the f**king car from the office and asked if he would do me a cut. Only answer i got was no and he didnt say anything else, no explanation was bizarre. Just walked out the door and went at that point.
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Updates.
Cleaned and a coat of c2v3 and a run out.
Still mocking up parts for the g25 setup. Tried the trophys tial mvs wastegate on the nortech manifold. It does not fit the downpipe dump tube flange as its different, so have ordered a turbosmart compgate 40 to save chopping the downpipe.
Will order a turbo soon. 2x options.
G25-550 which will prob limit hp to around 450.
G25-660 which should give better peak hp with slightly slower response. From looking at dyno graphs there is only a couple of hundred rpm in it though so hardly nothing.
Decisions, decisions.
Cleaned and a coat of c2v3 and a run out.
Still mocking up parts for the g25 setup. Tried the trophys tial mvs wastegate on the nortech manifold. It does not fit the downpipe dump tube flange as its different, so have ordered a turbosmart compgate 40 to save chopping the downpipe.
Will order a turbo soon. 2x options.
G25-550 which will prob limit hp to around 450.
G25-660 which should give better peak hp with slightly slower response. From looking at dyno graphs there is only a couple of hundred rpm in it though so hardly nothing.
Decisions, decisions.
01RS,03 EP3,99 Evo 6
G25-660 😇
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
I think its going to be 660.
Updates
Changed egt bosses on the Nortech manifold to a more common size of 1/8 NPT so i can run motorsport inconel egt sensors.
Purchased a new turbosmart compgate 40 which bolts straight on.
Just turbo to order now. Oil return fittings have been ordered so can mock up on my spare engine once turbo is here.
In other news i have been looking into a larger throttle to suit the 250 inlet manifold. I have been using the 40mm 225 throttle body for years with a home made adaptor plate to fit to the 250 inlet. This works with oem ecu fine, but as going over to ecumaster black, i can run any dbw throttle so makes sense to get rid of the small throttle and adaptor plate.
Main reason to go up in size, is pressure differential pre and post throttle. From looking at the logs, approx 1.5psi is lost on current setup, making the turbo work a little harder to make required boost.
Log showing pressure differential, boost pressure sensor is pre throttle, map on inlet. Readings in mbar absolute.
Id like to get the pressure drop as close to zero as possible. 250 throttle body is 45mm blade so better, and logs look better with less pressure differential. The problem is, it has a bolted on boost pipe/flange so id need an adaptor.
A while back i got wind of a bosch throttle body that bolts straight on. 54mm throttle blade, and regular silicone hose fitting.
54mm throttle on the left vs 250 45mm throttle on the right.
Offered it up to 250 inlet, and it bolts straight on.
To make it bang on, the inlet throat needs 3mm or so of porting doing to remove a step. Ill get the die grinder on that soon.
Hopefully the pressure drop will be reduced to zero or near as, with the turbo not working as hard to meet required boost levels at the inlet/engine.
We will see.
Updates
Changed egt bosses on the Nortech manifold to a more common size of 1/8 NPT so i can run motorsport inconel egt sensors.
Purchased a new turbosmart compgate 40 which bolts straight on.
Just turbo to order now. Oil return fittings have been ordered so can mock up on my spare engine once turbo is here.
In other news i have been looking into a larger throttle to suit the 250 inlet manifold. I have been using the 40mm 225 throttle body for years with a home made adaptor plate to fit to the 250 inlet. This works with oem ecu fine, but as going over to ecumaster black, i can run any dbw throttle so makes sense to get rid of the small throttle and adaptor plate.
Main reason to go up in size, is pressure differential pre and post throttle. From looking at the logs, approx 1.5psi is lost on current setup, making the turbo work a little harder to make required boost.
Log showing pressure differential, boost pressure sensor is pre throttle, map on inlet. Readings in mbar absolute.
Id like to get the pressure drop as close to zero as possible. 250 throttle body is 45mm blade so better, and logs look better with less pressure differential. The problem is, it has a bolted on boost pipe/flange so id need an adaptor.
A while back i got wind of a bosch throttle body that bolts straight on. 54mm throttle blade, and regular silicone hose fitting.
54mm throttle on the left vs 250 45mm throttle on the right.
Offered it up to 250 inlet, and it bolts straight on.
To make it bang on, the inlet throat needs 3mm or so of porting doing to remove a step. Ill get the die grinder on that soon.
Hopefully the pressure drop will be reduced to zero or near as, with the turbo not working as hard to meet required boost levels at the inlet/engine.
We will see.
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
awesome find on the TB, very much looking forward to how you get on with this one
Speedo Gonzales
ClioSport Club Member
Looks like a 2.0 dCi throttle body that🤣
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Probably is. Its listed for some obscure brand of car but was cheap for bosch motorsport so not arguing
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Updates.
I needed a custom turbo oil feed making up for my new turbo setup, so popped down Global Hydraulics (formerly northern hose and hydraulics).
Excellent service as usual, £35 made in ten mins whilst waiting. Recommended if needing custom hoses in Teesside area.
-4an one end (7/16jic??) with bsp to metric adaptor at the other end. The oem had a metric banjo that bolts to the block which is made of unobtanium so this should be the solution.
90deg 3/8 bsp to metric connector to replace banjo.
I have the old forged f4r out of the kangoo sat on the engine stand for mock up purposes, so offered it up.
That will do the job. I will work out a way to support it with p clips and simple brackets once ive mocked up the starter motor, turbo, external wastegate and downpipe.
Just short of a couple of parts now, coolant hoses, vac hoses etc.
Thanks for reading!!
I needed a custom turbo oil feed making up for my new turbo setup, so popped down Global Hydraulics (formerly northern hose and hydraulics).
Excellent service as usual, £35 made in ten mins whilst waiting. Recommended if needing custom hoses in Teesside area.
-4an one end (7/16jic??) with bsp to metric adaptor at the other end. The oem had a metric banjo that bolts to the block which is made of unobtanium so this should be the solution.
90deg 3/8 bsp to metric connector to replace banjo.
I have the old forged f4r out of the kangoo sat on the engine stand for mock up purposes, so offered it up.
That will do the job. I will work out a way to support it with p clips and simple brackets once ive mocked up the starter motor, turbo, external wastegate and downpipe.
Just short of a couple of parts now, coolant hoses, vac hoses etc.
Thanks for reading!!
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Wibble.
Trainerbrow
ClioSport Club Member
Mk1 Audi TT 3.2 V6
Sorry if you've mentioned it earlier in the thread, but where's that downpipe heat wrap from? I guess it's more of a sock than a wrap?
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
it is indeed like a sock - Basalt Thermal Exhaust Pipe Sleeve. Ive ordered it from here a couple of times https://hilltop-products.co.uk/hilb...SbZ99opPuODvDODYvgYs5JsAL0s6sSCTxnmD_HBsMtmJA
Its good stuff, and in theory it should be mega easy to fit compared to normal 50mm wrap. In practice doing a tidy job is a bit of a carry on, the ends fray so need to be folded on itself, Also easy to get the length wrong. This should run to the wastegate pipe, but due to expansion of the sleeve and ends fraying it turned out a bit shorter. Overall, not bad though.
Trainerbrow
ClioSport Club Member
Mk1 Audi TT 3.2 V6
Thanks man. Is it fairly flexible? Just wondering if it would get over the flange on my downpipe and decat as they aren't V-band
Mr Trailer Man
ClioSport Club Member
They're only in Golborne, so you could pick some up from them.
Brigsy
ClioSport Club Member
T.Turbo
Should go over ok as it expands a fair bit. Pretty difficult to fit in situ but not too bad on the bench.
