Performance car mag - it's back! Williams V's 197 cup

[Winston]

' bottom line is the williams retains it hot hatch crown'

Bump for stromba

 

[cat171]

can someone please scan it in?

Lol, it's £4 dude !!

 

[Nafoff]

will have to purchase this from smiths this week i think

 

[Rich]

will have to purchase this from smiths this week i think

Non Future Mag, are you allowed ?

 

[Nafoff]

i am mate.....i get all the future mags free.

on friday as with every month we have a team meeting were we have like a show and tell for something that we find interesting or the opposite, i had no idea what i was going to do....now i do....lol

 

[Laine_16v]

and i qoute ' bottom line is the williams retains it hot hatch crown

another bump for stromba

 

[Rich]

oh and stromba should be happy, mileage on 001 can only up the value of 002

Has anyone got any pics of 002 is it really mint ?

 

[Laine_16v]

0002 on track:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JxLVbIX78UA

 

[lewisniven]

god i wanna go outside with a deckchair now and just sit and stare at my williams!!

 

[Gary-Lew]

I had every issue of Performance Car back in the day, like all things though threw the lot out one day, think only Tomlain and Barker from EVO are still in the magazine trade the originals from P/car. I have got an old Whatcar upstairs in the attic with the spy shots of the 3 dr cossie back in 84

 

[Lagerlout]

Who cares what won.

Renaulsport for the f**king win :approve:

 

[Jamie]

Who cares what won.

Renaulsport for the f**king win :approve:

A Williams isnt a renault sport.

 

[pinky]

Wonder what the mag will be like with its new owners first publishment?

 

[Lagerlout]

Who cares what won.

Renaulsport for the f**king win :approve:

A Williams isnt a renault sport.

Oh really? It might not be branded Renaultsport.... but Renault Sport Technologies breathed on the 16v to create it did they not? Or did you think it was Williams? :clown:

 

[Jamie]

Well it doesnt say:

Renault Sport Clio Williams 3 on my boot

 

[Lagerlout]

Your snobbery is misplaced

Although with yours being a 3 it's more closely linked to the Renault sales team than Renaultsport

 

[fuel_slut]

Bought my copy today was a very good read and some awesome pics. Will be buying it next month!

 

[Tim(e)]

Who cares what won.

Renaulsport for the f**king win :approve:

A Williams isnt a renault sport.

Err.....yes it is....it was developed by Renault's sport division ie Renault Sport. its just they hadn't branded themselves seperately from Renault as Renault Sport we know today, until the 172 came out....

 

[Lagerlout]

I'd already told him that... but I don't think he's having any of it.

Anyway. I think the Williams and the new Cup, whilst massively contrasting, look f**king fantastic!

 

[Tim(e)]

Surprised that any Williams enthusiast (or wannabee with a 3...) wouldn't know that Renault Sport developed the Williams albeit without the name as we know them today....some history lessons needed me thinks!

 

[cat171]

A Williams isnt a renault sport.

Err.....yes it is....it was developed by Renault's sport division ie Renault Sport. its just they hadn't branded themselves seperately from Renault as Renault Sport we know today, until the 172 came out....

Sorry, but that's wrong too. The first Renault sport branded car is the sport Spider which arrived in 1996/7.

Renault sport badge

 

[Stphn1985]

Cool

 

[cat171]

^
How does a 182 trophy relate to the mag article ??:S

 

[fuel_slut]

Can't wait for the next issue, really reminds me of EVO, with out the supercars page to page.

 

[Stphn1985]

Oops, sorry still trying to get used to these forums!

 

[Mells]

Err.....yes it is....it was developed by Renault's sport division ie Renault Sport. its just they hadn't branded themselves seperately from Renault as Renault Sport we know today, until the 172 came out....

Sorry, but that's wrong too. The first Renault sport branded car is the sport Spider which arrived in 1996/7.

Renault sport badge

Damn, beat me to it!

I was going to have a look at that Spider last weekend. Its not far from me, but didnt get the chance

 

[Jamie]

Surprised that any Williams enthusiast (or wannabee with a 3...)

Whats the point in that?

You just trying to make yourself look like a wanker by trying to provoke someone when they have said nothing to you?

 

[Marky_]

I've only just picked it up. That willy is a bloody minter though. Looks brand new!

 

[CLIOWILLIAMS]

^
How does a 182 trophy relate to the mag article ??:S

they only mentioned the 2 clio's worth having mate!

 

[Cookie]

If you're fond of crap old cars

 

[CLIOWILLIAMS]

If you're fond of crap old cars

didnt know the 197 cup was an old car

 

[lewisniven]

If you're fond of crap old cars

steady on there! :clown:

 

[cat171]

^
How does a 182 trophy relate to the mag article ??:S

they only mentioned the 2 clio's worth having mate!

The dude (Stphn1985) edited his post after I commented, he originally posted about a trophy, hence my comment.

 

[Cue]

how do you define 'the best'?

Out of the 3 cars mentioned - 197 cup, trophy and williams.

Trophy is quickest on track
Trophy is quickest on road
Williams is lightest
197 Cup has the best trim levels.

As far as the cup being quicker than the trophy, how can it be. It's the only one i've not driven, the F1 and 197 certainly aren't.

For a start it's 20% heavier than a Trophy and only 15ps (according to reno) more powerful. Ok, better brakes but you need them to stop the bloated thing.

 

[Weeman]

pmsl at this thread.

Williams FTW. Lock this now please mods.

 

[ukaskew]

Good read this, as much as I love Evo, it's kind of irrelevant for 99% of us. If they stick to their plan of mainly covering affordable cars it should be good.

Loving the photography as well, seems much more raw (in a good way) than Evo etc, which imo overuses Photoshop quite obviously.

 

[cat171]

how do you define 'the best'?

Out of the 3 cars mentioned - 197 cup, trophy and williams.

Trophy is quickest on track
Trophy is quickest on road
Williams is lightest
197 Cup has the best trim levels.

As far as the cup being quicker than the trophy, how can it be. It's the only one i've not driven, the F1 and 197 certainly aren't.

For a start it's 20% heavier than a Trophy and only 15ps (according to reno) more powerful. Ok, better brakes but you need them to stop the bloated thing.

The trophy isn't in the test, no need to mention it imo.

 

[Cue]

how do you define 'the best'?

Out of the 3 cars mentioned - 197 cup, trophy and williams.

Trophy is quickest on track
Trophy is quickest on road
Williams is lightest
197 Cup has the best trim levels.

As far as the cup being quicker than the trophy, how can it be. It's the only one i've not driven, the F1 and 197 certainly aren't.

For a start it's 20% heavier than a Trophy and only 15ps (according to reno) more powerful. Ok, better brakes but you need them to stop the bloated thing.

The trophy isn't in the test, no need to mention it imo.

i know, i was reffering to this thread that's been transformed from an informative thread to another 'mine's bigger than yours' piece of tat.

I've just bought a 182 Trophy from Gravells. The dealer told me that 182 trophy is quicker than the 197? Is this true or does it all depend on the driver?

the guy trying to sell the car to you told you that? fancy that

it might be marginally quicker in a straight line, but A-B or round a track I'd be beting against the Trophy tbh, the 197's seem on a different level as regards grip and handling.

The best hatch comment was a slice of humour, who am I to comment on the best hot hatch ever.
But as for the Renaultsport comparision, seeing I have owned 4 including a 172 cup and a trophy, I think I have a right to an opinion on which car I think is superior.

 

[CLIOWILLIAMS]

how do you define 'the best'?

Out of the 3 cars mentioned - 197 cup, trophy and williams.

Trophy is quickest on track
Trophy is quickest on road
Williams is lightest
197 Cup has the best trim levels.

As far as the cup being quicker than the trophy, how can it be. It's the only one i've not driven, the F1 and 197 certainly aren't.

For a start it's 20% heavier than a Trophy and only 15ps (according to reno) more powerful. Ok, better brakes but you need them to stop the bloated thing.

Oh yes i forgot you were more able than somebody who actually gets paid for reviewing cars, why dont you apply for a job on top gear, you seem highly qualified with that long list of cars you have drove.

At the end of the day, why would all the performance magazines say the williams is king of hot hatches if it isnt?

 

[ForceIndia]

think most mag's put the Trophy as the best ever hot hatch, prob why the willi came beneath the Trophy when evo tested them together.