Exactly, top tip, anything you do to the car make sure its MSA (clubsport) legal, it doesn't necessarily have to be FIA spec as you wont be racing in Europe. Get a copy of the blue book, even an old one of ebay (not too old) will give you direction.
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sonny172cup "track car to race car project"
- Thread starter sonny172cup
- Start date
Renault Clio 172
Not that different to me, last year. Although the car was built, I needed to get some track days done, to see how I/it felt. I did the last race weekend, and the Autumn Trophy, so had 5 races. Then go the bug and spent the children's savings on the car!
You would be more than welcome to come along to some races as a spectator and meet us all to discuss in person. There's only Tony that bites, the rest of us are friendly
.Something that you do have to consider, is the tools and car spare costs! I had nothing at all, so had to spend a fare few quid!
182cup & 172 racecar
But I don't bite that hard.
Only saying it as it is, and you wouldn't have it any other way.
Only saying it as it is, and you wouldn't have it any other way.
Just read full thread awesome work matey really good read!!! Gave me some tips will be following this
Thanks man
Update:
Been a very busy week putting in around 8-10 hours a day on the car trying to get it ready for todays deadline.
This week saw the subframe, box and engine go in along with a few other refreshed parts as well as a fluid refresh.
Picked up the engine from the builders, had it finished off and finally complete, So finally competing James handy work.
Spec of engine,
423 non VVT
Ported head
Hydraulic tappets
Uprated valve springs
Tagged bearings
HC pistons (83 mm to keep it legal size)
Forge rods (standard length)
Baffled sump
Blanked off VVT sensor (to minimise oil pressure loss).
DTH 45mm Jenvey bodies
90mm inlet horns
Megane 225 injectors
182 manifold PMS exhaust.
RPM will be set at 7850rpm for longevity and reliability.
Loaded the car up on the trailer This evening ready for the long drive up north tomorrow to EFI parts ready to be mapped, looking forward to seeing what she produces.
Also painted the rocker cover and a few bits orange to match the subframe, originally I was going to go with a red theme
But ended up orange due to parts purchased of James
Also fitted rear beam with the PMS ARB and black series bushes.
Few pics
Been a very busy week putting in around 8-10 hours a day on the car trying to get it ready for todays deadline.
This week saw the subframe, box and engine go in along with a few other refreshed parts as well as a fluid refresh.
Picked up the engine from the builders, had it finished off and finally complete, So finally competing James handy work.
Spec of engine,
423 non VVT
Ported head
Hydraulic tappets
Uprated valve springs
Tagged bearings
HC pistons (83 mm to keep it legal size)
Forge rods (standard length)
Baffled sump
Blanked off VVT sensor (to minimise oil pressure loss).
DTH 45mm Jenvey bodies
90mm inlet horns
Megane 225 injectors
182 manifold PMS exhaust.
RPM will be set at 7850rpm for longevity and reliability.
Loaded the car up on the trailer This evening ready for the long drive up north tomorrow to EFI parts ready to be mapped, looking forward to seeing what she produces.
Also painted the rocker cover and a few bits orange to match the subframe, originally I was going to go with a red theme
But ended up orange due to parts purchased of James
Also fitted rear beam with the PMS ARB and black series bushes.
Few pics
In other news, been finally collecting bits bits to install the EPAS system, picked up a epas column with ECU for £45 on fleabay, wiring ordered, just need to order a belt and will get to work installing it next week. Im going to run the standard cup rack. Epas for £100 thanks very much
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
How come your taking it to scoff mate? Bit of a trek for you from Kent!
I want someone who for one understands Gen90 Chris at EFI has been recommended to me by a few ppl.
I,v been bitten by bad mappers before so want to go somewhere who,s knows what their doing.
Funnily enough I stripped my old engine down that was killed by a engine mapper....
I,v been bitten by bad mappers before so want to go somewhere who,s knows what their doing.
Funnily enough I stripped my old engine down that was killed by a engine mapper....
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Ah right fair enough. It's where I'm taking mine to be mapped as well mate as he, like you say, knows his way around the gen90.
Who mapped that?
Who mapped that?
Well Mark i will let you know how I get on.well I will give you one guess...
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Surely not ktec!!
K who? LoL
Yea deffo, im not expecting mega numbers, obviously due to the 45mm bodies, After speaking to Jenvey they suggested the 90mm length horns over the 120s mainly due to filter space, the DTH bodies are pretty long anyway, total length with the 90s on are bang on 260mm (head to horn face).
Again, likewise, RST and EFI was both on the table, just decided to go with the later for my build. Originally was looking at ED down south but after speaking to then they still haven't manage start mapping Gen90 yet.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Lol! I'm hoping that scoff will be able to look at the constant inlet vvt on mine and do something with it. It's all there so it would be nice to utilise the feature.
Russ Rallye
ClioSport Club Member
Good luck with the mapping mate, is it all going to be finished today for you to bring back home?
Russ
Russ
182cup & 172 racecar
Bad mappers eh!!!
A...holes
A...holes
@sonny172cup have you got the lower column/uj bit with that epas column? if not you need it!
Looking forward to seeing the figures on this!
Looking forward to seeing the figures on this!
Goodo! Just checking so you dont end up with it half done, the lower parts on there own arent easy to come by!
Update: Mapping.
Well yesterday ended up being a very long day. Picked the trailer up Friday evening and loaded the car up and left at the early doors Saturday morning at 6am, drive up was pretty straight forward and a rather pleasant experience.
Arrived at EFI parts 30min early so set about priming the engine s oil pressure, plugs and crank sensor removed as engine cranked over for around 10-15 seconds to get the oil around the system.
Chris arrived and after a chat we set about rolling the car in to get set up, now this is where the problems started...we tried to crank the engine but no joy, so we went through an elimination process and found it to be the starter motor and a blown 200amp fuse (racing battery end), so i set about removing it and as luck would have it he had a spare laying around. This had obviously been causes by the me cranking the engine and the engine needing more turning lower, moving on we hit another problem, where the immobiliser kept kicking in, again this was traced to a lose wire tripping the system.
Finally problem was the Gen90 ECU and the map that was on it, the map had been given a pass code so Chris set about by erasing the ecu and uploading a part map (sorry most of this is over my head but it took longer than normal).
I left Chris to get on with the mapping (5 hours after arriving) as i had the missis with me we popped to Cheshire Oaks for a bit of shopping and food.
When I returned Chris was just finishing off the map, he had hit a further problem with my ECU one that he had not seen before, the ecu was cutting out at 7600 rpm like an internal limiter had been set, he said most likely cause was a "bug" in the firmware. A respectable mid 220s figure was reached, the graph was climbing and due to the "bug" was limiting performence. So reckon a 230 was achievable. Chris has kept the ecu and with assistance from Gems should write out that glitch. So I returned home lastnight at 1am fooked, but am very happy with the results and with the effort Chris put in.
Well yesterday ended up being a very long day. Picked the trailer up Friday evening and loaded the car up and left at the early doors Saturday morning at 6am, drive up was pretty straight forward and a rather pleasant experience.
Arrived at EFI parts 30min early so set about priming the engine s oil pressure, plugs and crank sensor removed as engine cranked over for around 10-15 seconds to get the oil around the system.
Chris arrived and after a chat we set about rolling the car in to get set up, now this is where the problems started...we tried to crank the engine but no joy, so we went through an elimination process and found it to be the starter motor and a blown 200amp fuse (racing battery end), so i set about removing it and as luck would have it he had a spare laying around. This had obviously been causes by the me cranking the engine and the engine needing more turning lower, moving on we hit another problem, where the immobiliser kept kicking in, again this was traced to a lose wire tripping the system.
Finally problem was the Gen90 ECU and the map that was on it, the map had been given a pass code so Chris set about by erasing the ecu and uploading a part map (sorry most of this is over my head but it took longer than normal).
I left Chris to get on with the mapping (5 hours after arriving) as i had the missis with me we popped to Cheshire Oaks for a bit of shopping and food.
When I returned Chris was just finishing off the map, he had hit a further problem with my ECU one that he had not seen before, the ecu was cutting out at 7600 rpm like an internal limiter had been set, he said most likely cause was a "bug" in the firmware. A respectable mid 220s figure was reached, the graph was climbing and due to the "bug" was limiting performence. So reckon a 230 was achievable. Chris has kept the ecu and with assistance from Gems should write out that glitch. So I returned home lastnight at 1am fooked, but am very happy with the results and with the effort Chris put in.
Looks good Sonny. I was very tempted by James' engine should be a goodun' :smile:
Edit: just seen your update - solid results and should be good and reliable.
Edit: just seen your update - solid results and should be good and reliable.
182cup & 172 racecar
Nice.
Russ Rallye
ClioSport Club Member
Nice one Sonny, looking forward to see how well it goes especially compared to mine.
Russ
Russ
Indeed Russ, just want to get out on track and see how it goes, its been a long time since i have driven a cammed F4R.Also need to test the new chassis set up, iv only got next weekend to get a test in before race day next month due to work. Worst comes to worst will have to test on race day.
Haha now this is very true... We have all shifted up the grid together.. Counter productive indeed... Yours looks great too mate, btw what size are the
Bodies, 48s?
Bodies, 48s?
Russ Rallye
ClioSport Club Member
I'm testing at oulton this coming Friday if you fancy another trip up north.
Russ
Renault 5 gt turbo
Nice one Sonny, glad it all went well.
Looking forward to seeing it on track with all the work you put in.
I couldn't have done another season like last year with my car as it was.. Even had the wife telling me to sell up as the cars past it
Looking forward to seeing it on track with all the work you put in.
Very good point Dave
I couldn't have done another season like last year with my car as it was.. Even had the wife telling me to sell up as the cars past it
Is that a euphamism?
The Wife asked me last night if i'd finished spending money on the car yet,, HAHAHAHAHA
Renault 5 gt turbo
Euphamism??
I told mine I can make it faster but going to cost £££££. Whenever she mentions parts arriving I say " you wanted it to be faster" win win
I told mine I can make it faster but going to cost £££££. Whenever she mentions parts arriving I say " you wanted it to be faster"
win win
Renault Clio 172
I'm at Cadwell on Thursday, if any of you fancy joining?
April update:
Managed to get a few more hours work on the car this week, main effort was to swap the hubs over for the RC hubs from @NorthloopCup group buy.
Looks like a great bit of kit so thanks Mark, was pleasant doing business with him and would recommend him to anyone.
I went for the zinc option with new wheel bearings.
Straight forward fit, was impressed with the torque settings and instructions
And fitted
Next job was to swap out the CPS as my old one was playing up, thanks @BIGASH for the help and wiring, so fitted that, this should solve my rev limiter problem that the ecu encountered during mapping
A few other jobs here and there tidying the car up to get her in a race ready state for Rockingham this weekend, also relocated my transponder as it was getting scuffed by flying bits of tyre, now mounted behind the front member.
Tomorrow job will be to fit brake deflectors and ducting, install the Vbox lite, and pop the wheels back on.
Gonna pop into Mark Fish on Friday en-route to Rockingham to get a full geo, rake and corner weight set up done.
Roll on rock... Really looking forward to it, got unfinished business to sort out
Pic from efi parts on mapping day last weekend
Managed to get a few more hours work on the car this week, main effort was to swap the hubs over for the RC hubs from @NorthloopCup group buy.
Looks like a great bit of kit so thanks Mark, was pleasant doing business with him and would recommend him to anyone.
I went for the zinc option with new wheel bearings.
Straight forward fit, was impressed with the torque settings and instructions
And fitted
Next job was to swap out the CPS as my old one was playing up, thanks @BIGASH for the help and wiring, so fitted that, this should solve my rev limiter problem that the ecu encountered during mapping
A few other jobs here and there tidying the car up to get her in a race ready state for Rockingham this weekend, also relocated my transponder as it was getting scuffed by flying bits of tyre, now mounted behind the front member.
Tomorrow job will be to fit brake deflectors and ducting, install the Vbox lite, and pop the wheels back on.
Gonna pop into Mark Fish on Friday en-route to Rockingham to get a full geo, rake and corner weight set up done.
Roll on rock... Really looking forward to it, got unfinished business to sort out
Pic from efi parts on mapping day last weekend
The series got a good spread in this months PFC magazine.
Race dates
Rock entry list
Race dates
Rock entry list
