sonny172cup "track car to race car project"

Chip-mk1 · Oct 16, 2012

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BIGASH said:
Sonny are you doing March or October? Ring and Spa or just one? I can't wait

Im tempted to do just Spa next time, and only do the ring on the tourist days, ie exactly what Sonny did this time, the closed circuit ring day didnt really float my boat massively TBH.
Different for you of course, as with a non road legal car the closed days are your only option.

BIGASH · Oct 16, 2012

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Yes I can see that from your point of view but I loved the closed day

sonny172cup · Oct 16, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Cupman29 said:
I noticed a massive difference between ds2500's and the pagid blues. They are expensive but are way better and last forever IME.

I wouldnt use anything else now. Brake dust is not too bad either and they don't eat discs. In fact, the only negative is the price.

Sorry buddy but what pads do you prefer the 2500s?

Chip-mk1 · Oct 16, 2012

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sonny172cup said:
Sorry buddy but what pads do you prefer the 2500s?

Pagid blues he was saying mate.

I think they do just about have the edge on the ds2500, but TBH I really like both, we have pagids on one car and ds2500 on the other at the moment and both work very well.

sonny172cup · Oct 16, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

BIGASH said:
Sonny are you doing March or October? Ring and Spa or just one? I can't wait

With our group we always go to the Ring for TF in April time ( around Easter) an do TF and Spa in October. I will give you a shout when we are heading over, im always keen to go over more if it falls within my time off work. Iv never done a closed day at the Ring, i would like to give it a go one day.

sonny172cup · Oct 16, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Chip-mk1 said:
Pagid blues he was saying mate.

I think they do just about have the edge on the ds2500, but TBH I really like both, we have pagids on one car and ds2500 on the other at the moment and both work very well.

Ahh ok, i know few who run pagid blues on their RS4s and came close to getting them but found a love for 2500s however i do like to experiment so would try the Pagids at some point.

Cupman29 · Oct 16, 2012

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sonny172cup said:
Ahh ok, i know few who run pagid blues on their RS4s and came close to getting them but found a love for 2500s however i do like to experiment so would try the Pagids at some point.

Yeah sorry, I meant I prefer the pagid's.

I use the ds2500's on my Impreza using stoptech brakes and they work very well but never thought much of them on the Clio and can be very temperamental to squealing. The pagid's never squeal.

sonny172cup · Oct 16, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Hmmm my ds2500 dont squeal as i used oem shims with them.

Road going pagids are std on the on the RS 4 and the earlier pads lead to damage on the discs due to the pins scoring the disc, after this i chose the da2500, and i kind of stuck with them since (that problem has now been rectified).

Chip-mk1 · Oct 16, 2012

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Normal pagids And pagid blues are as different as halfords ferodo pads and ds2500 to be fair mate

NorthloopCup · Oct 17, 2012

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Chip-mk1 said:
Im tempted to do just Spa next time, and only do the ring on the tourist days, ie exactly what Sonny did this time, the closed circuit ring day didnt really float my boat massively TBH.
Different for you of course, as with a non road legal car the closed days are your only option.

I'm afraid to say I have to agree with chip on this one. The tf days give a real buzz when your mixing it up with cars and bikes! Yes it's dangerous, by my god is it fun!

sonny172cup · Oct 17, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Chip-mk1 said:
Normal pagids And pagid blues are as different as halfords ferodo pads and ds2500 to be fair mate

Oh most defiantly. I will look at trying the blues out at some point.

sonny172cup · Oct 17, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

NorthloopCup said:
I'm afraid to say I have to agree with chip on this one. The tf days give a real buzz when your mixing it up with cars and bikes! Yes it's dangerous, by my god is it fun!

Agree TF is a buzz, its only the number of closures per day that makes it a PITA. However iv not done a closed day and would love to do the full circuit.

Chip-mk1 · Oct 17, 2012

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sonny172cup said:
Agree TF is a buzz, its only the number of closures per day that makes it a PITA. However iv not done a closed day and would love to do the full circuit.

There were still closures on the trackday, all be it not as many.

Thing is with the TF days if you go for a few days you dont want to be out (or rather the car/tyres wont take it if you are) non stop for the entire few days anyway, so I just let the closures dictate when I do other stuff like go off for food, or go karting, or go to the off road centre etc.
So where I dont really want to punish the car with more than about 20-30laps, if you are there for 4 or 5 days, thats easy to get in even with closures, and there is normally someone interesting to talk to when its shut etc anyway.

Porkie · Oct 17, 2012

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sonny172cup said:
Will love to hear your view on the LSD and big brake set up, personally I dont think they need it unless you upping the power above 210bhp (maybe).

Welcome to borrow or drive mine mate. Has over 210bhp, steel rods, higher comp pistons, ported head, cams, one piece valves etc etc and also a Gripper plated diff, and 4 pot Wilwoods.

Porkie · Oct 17, 2012

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I used to run Pagid blues on my Exige. Great pads.

sonny172cup · Oct 17, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Porkie said:
Welcome to borrow or drive mine mate. Has over 210bhp, steel rods, higher comp pistons, ported head, cams, one piece valves etc etc and also a Gripper plated diff, and 4 pot Wilwoods.

Cheers fella. I actually meant the 4pots are not worth getting unless the power is over 210... However this is just what i have experience with how good the oem callipers are with 205bhp....

Who did your engine work?

Chip-mk1 · Oct 17, 2012

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sonny172cup said:
Who did your engine work?

Me and Mike from MWM did his current engine.

That was never the plan, I only had the car off him to diagnose what I thought might be a mapping issue as it was down on power, then we found the pistons had fallen apart as a result of the poor mapping, so we offered to replace or rebuild it for him while we had it, then the spec creeped, which happens a lot with porkie, and before we know it, it was forged rods and pistons and ported head and hotter cams etc, lol

NorthloopCup · Oct 17, 2012

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Chip-mk1 said:
There were still closures on the trackday, all be it not as many.

Thing is with the TF days if you go for a few days you dont want to be out (or rather the car/tyres wont take it if you are) non stop for the entire few days anyway, so I just let the closures dictate when I do other stuff like go off for food, or go karting, or go to the off road centre etc.
So where I dont really want to punish the car with more than about 20-30laps, if you are there for 4 or 5 days, thats easy to get in even with closures, and there is normally someone interesting to talk to when its shut etc anyway.

I do on average around 15-25 laps a day when I go over! Obviously weather dependant.

Chip-mk1 · Oct 18, 2012

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NorthloopCup said:
I do on average around 15-25 laps a day when I go over! Obviously weather dependant.

So what is your most laps in a single visit?
mine is sub 40 I would think, just can't see the point in doing more.

NorthloopCup · Oct 18, 2012

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Chip-mk1 said:
So what is your most laps in a single visit?
mine is sub 40 I would think, just can't see the point in doing more.

The most I've done was around 48 laps. It helped that I had one of the season tickets though, and at one point was going 3-4 times a year.

sonny172cup · Oct 18, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

There good figures, most i did was 19 laps in 2 days. I never do more than 2 laps back to back between cool downs.

All this ring talking is making me want to go again!!!!

Chip-mk1 · Oct 18, 2012

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NorthloopCup said:
The most I've done was around 48 laps. It helped that I had one of the season tickets though, and at one point was going 3-4 times a year.

48 is more than I personally would bother to subject the car to on a single visit, fair play though

Porkie · Oct 18, 2012

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sonny172cup said:
There good figures, most i did was 19 laps in 2 days. I never do more than 2 laps back to back between cool downs.

All this ring talking is making me want to go again!!!!

I'll go back whenever you want. Just looking at weather for this weekend actually.... it looks DRY!

sonny172cup · Oct 18, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Im working 7 day weeks at the moment

wont be free until end november.

Chip-mk1 · Oct 18, 2012

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sonny172cup said:
Im working 7 day weeks at the moment wont be free until end november.

I would get that engine rebuilt first probably, its only going to get worse.

sonny172cup · Oct 18, 2012

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Chip-mk1 said:
I would get that engine rebuilt first probably, its only going to get worse.

Of course thats on my priority at the moment. I would take the RS4 to the Ring if I head over before xmas

Chip-mk1 · Oct 18, 2012

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Makes sense

tommy g · Feb 1, 2013

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Any updates mate?

sonny172cup · Feb 4, 2013

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

No mate, car been off road since October...its been living in the garage since. Need to get some realistic (cheap) quotes to replace the piston rings. I aim to get the car back on the road for April.

JonC219 · Mar 9, 2013

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Been having a good read through, brilliant project and has given me some ideas for mine when it becomes ''track b**ch''

When you removed the carbon canister did you have to block any of the pipes up? And did any lights appear on the dash?

Jon

sonny172cup · Mar 10, 2013

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Jon_KTM said:
Been having a good read through, brilliant project and has given me some ideas for mine when it becomes ''track b**ch''

When you removed the carbon canister did you have to block any of the pipes up? And did any lights appear on the dash?

Jon

Thanks Jon, To be honest I cant remember if I blocked it off or not, im sure I left the pipe cable tied in the win to still vent. No lights on dash however irrc it will throw a fault code. I kept the the connector pin wired in also.

sonny172cup · Mar 10, 2013

Sonny172cup "track racer project"

Due to the Clio being off the road, I decided to crack on with a few jobs that was needed doing.

I popped the car down to Mike Woodford to check the compression, turns out cylinders 3&4 are low at 160psi. So will need either a new engine or engine rebuild. Im in discussion with Mike at the moment regarding options and where I want to go with the engine. More to follow soon.

No great additions to further mods, but never the less still items that needed doing.

I added a baffle to the catch tank, popped to Sainsburys and purchased 2 packs of 6 kitchen metal scorers I stretched these out and inserted into the Catch tank.

I then decided to attack the hazed front head lights, I purchased the Megs restoration kit, this worked but was not abrasive enough to totally sort take the scratches out. But it will do for the time being.

I took then old stickers and sun strip off and gave the car a good clean and quick polish. It snot seen a clean before the Ring and Spa trip in October :S

I added some real Cup racer brake ducts and deflector plates, these are original items as well as the real Cup racer tailgate complete with rear poly glass, this weight 7kg and also to compliment this I purchased a wide sports spoiler (2.5kg) for £15. Also got my hands on 2 Cup racer doors these babies are 7kg.

Sorry, but thats all folks.

MG cup · Mar 10, 2013

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Just done a comp test on my new cup and cylinder 1 is down close to yours

I hope mine doesn't start swallowing oil, did yours misfire or anything other than drinking oil?

Nice panels, looks like the ones Martijn was selling! Are they fiberglass and any good quality/fitment?

Chip-mk1 · Mar 10, 2013

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Lightness is the best thing you can add to a track car.

swede, if your compression is down its only a matter of a small amount of track use before that engine is toast IMHO.
Leakdown test it.

gazwold · Mar 10, 2013

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Looks good Sonny.

I was looking at buying that sun strip at one point, would have been even more confusing for people when we are on the track hahaha.

sonny172cup · Mar 10, 2013

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

Swede cup said:
Just done a comp test on my new cup and cylinder 1 is down close to yours I hope mine doesn't start swallowing oil, did yours misfire or anything other than drinking oil?

Nice panels, looks like the ones Martijn was selling! Are they fiberglass and any good quality/fitment?

I had a faulty injector that had replaced out at the ring, while checking the oil i noticed that The level was low and was being blown out the breather. So kept topping up, due to the high RPM use on track it was using oil a lot quicker, if yours is just a road car you may not notice a difference. I used 4 ltrs in 4 days (spa and ring trip). Its come to my attention that its the filter that is letting in dirt. Funnily enough its only happened since ktec fitted their 'uprated' filter. Iv only done 2k miles since its been fitted, an its been off the road since.

Yep the tailgate was from martijn and doors from a fellow CS member.

sonny172cup · Mar 10, 2013

Namakubi Clio 172 Cup "track project"

gazwold said:
Looks good Sonny.

I was looking at buying that sun strip at one point, would have been even more confusing for people when we are on the track hahaha.

Thanks Gaz, yea its getting a bit silly now. Was thinking of wrapping it when panels are on, maybe a pastel green or blue, was thinking white but gone of the idea now.

tommy g · Mar 10, 2013

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sonny172cup said:
I had a faulty injector that had replaced out at the ring, while checking the oil i noticed that The level was low and was being blown out the breather. So kept topping up, due to the high RPM use on track it was using oil a lot quicker, if yours is just a road car you may not notice a difference. I used 4 ltrs in 4 days (spa and ring trip). Its come to my attention that its the filter that is letting in dirt. Funnily enough its only happened since ktec fitted their 'uprated' filter. Iv only done 2k miles since its been fitted, an its been off the road since.

Yep the tailgate was from martijn and doors from a fellow CS member.

Funny that mate mine the same since that filters been fitted. There was quite a bit of oil coming through into the inlet hose.

MG cup · Mar 10, 2013

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Chip-mk1 said:
swede, if your compression is down its only a matter of a small amount of track use before that engine is toast IMHO.
Leakdown test it.

I dont have the gear to do a leakdown. Pretty sure its rings as its breathing pretty heavy back to inlet , nothing to compare to mind you but not a1 for sure. Last time I buy a car in the dark from an unknown

It was a half arsed test as I didn't disconnect the injectors as some say you should, if it goes it goes tbh, I'll just swap it out but I need a car just now so ill roll with it. Had a misfire before strip down and plug on number one had a skin on it so I'm hoping it smoothed out a bit after full dservice and new belt.

sonny172cup said:
I had a faulty injector that had replaced out at the ring, while checking the oil i noticed that The level was low and was being blown out the breather. So kept topping up, due to the high RPM use on track it was using oil a lot quicker, if yours is just a road car you may not notice a difference. I used 4 ltrs in 4 days (spa and ring trip). Its come to my attention that its the filter that is letting in dirt. Funnily enough its only happened since ktec fitted their 'uprated' filter. Iv only done 2k miles since its been fitted, an its been off the road since.

Yep the tailgate was from martijn and doors from a fellow CS member.

Not so good about the filter, I have a butchered ph1 airbox with a choked air filter on which won't have helped matters, goes like a scalded cat though so I'll get my money's worth first lol.

Are the doors new, can he get more? Few guys looking for some.

sonny172cup · Mar 10, 2013

sonny172cup "track racer project"

Chip-mk1 said:
Lightness is the best thing you can add to a track car. :.

Indeed it is, think i better start getting on a diet lol

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