Hmmmm interesting, the pads are DS3000 (brand new) and discs have only done 1 hour of racing and 30 min of quali (also a test day 45 min). Im not hard on the brakes and always do the correct bedding in procedure. The discs have only ever seen DS3000.
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sonny172cup "track car to race car project"
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Hi Sonny, bit of a mixed day for you - at least you're out there! Think we run with .5 to 1mm toe out and that about the most you'd need I suspect. Do you know how much you had?
Dare I say try some EBC yellows with Brembo HC Disc's? Around £88 for front pads and £40 for the disc's, just chuck any old £10 pads in the rear, this is what we run with and never experienced any issues at the level we're at.
Getting the Cup ready this weekend for Rockingham on the 21st June.
Dare I say try some EBC yellows with Brembo HC Disc's? Around £88 for front pads and £40 for the disc's, just chuck any old £10 pads in the rear, this is what we run with and never experienced any issues at the level we're at.
Getting the Cup ready this weekend for Rockingham on the 21st June.
I normally run 10' out per axle but decided to try 20' out per axle at Donny, at Cambe I ran 10' toe in, was actually pretty good but standing start suffered.
That sounds a good set up, I ran EBC YS before but had a bad experience with them. They prob do the job on the Clio very well though, one of the Clios was running them at the weekend.
Good luck for Rock mate, are you coming to Snet?
That sounds a good set up, I ran EBC YS before but had a bad experience with them. They prob do the job on the Clio very well though, one of the Clios was running them at the weekend.
Good luck for Rock mate, are you coming to Snet?
That was just the front axle , Rear is the standard 15' axle ( think about 7.5 per side). However I think my rear beam isn't true.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Have you not checked it on a hunter system then? Or with string?
182cup & 172 racecar
Have not yet found a rear beam that is straight.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Nah me neither, although James's was the closest one I know/knew of.
Of course, i have been using the trakrite toe device to workout my settings as using the strings is a pain due to driveway not being level and my garage being too tight.
The rear beam is 15minutes toe out (7.5 either side), Without any shims. I take it this is the standard set up for a 172 cup?
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Yeah that should be standard for any 1*2 mate. There's a tolerance though of course, but it's monumentally big to accommodate any deviation during manufacture/use.
Just seen AST have re-named their suspension setups - are the Sportline II's now the 5100 series (if you know)?
Thats correct, iirc its been like that for a while now
I'v been told that Toyo R1R's are no longer available, anyone got any more info on this? Shame as it was a good tyre.
182cup & 172 racecar
Really ?
WRX
Lollaby mountain.
Tis true Sonny for the UK at least. Perhaps they may still be available through mytyres or other German based companies but yet to see on that.
Mate just tried ordering through a UK supplier to be told they are not being produced (By Toyo themselves but never gave a reason). Im
Guessing a few places will still have them on the shelve.
Guessing a few places will still have them on the shelve.
Jamie86
ClioSport Club Member
RS175,595,205gti,172
You're welcome
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/toyo/proxes-r1-r/195-50-r15-82v-57516
German based company but arrive very quickly and no import issues etc
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/toyo/proxes-r1-r/195-50-r15-82v-57516
German based company but arrive very quickly and no import issues etc
Few pics from Round 3 at Donington, Tricolore Trophy
Sonny I've 4 R1R's that I've used for 5 laps round Brands that I'm wanting to sell - let me know if you want them. I would only just say they are scrubbed in, other than that never used, bought beginning of last year.
Potentially sold.. So Vultures be gone lol
Update:
While the Snetterton race is just over a week away I finally had a bit of time to work on the Clio. I fitted 2 new inner tie rods as the old ones was pretty shot, I manage to change out the rods using a 32mm fan spanner.
2 x new R888 ordered for the fronts, new HC brake discs and DS1.11 pads will be going on ready for Snett.
As luck would have it, my girlfriends Dad has a lave in his workshop so will de-glaze my old discs and be used as spares.
All is needed now is an alignment check that I will conduct next week.
Also my AST 5100 (sportline II) with AST top mounts, have been dispatched, unfortunately I wont be fitting these in time for Snett, do to a number of reasons being, time fitting, setting up corner weighting and testing. However I shall promise to have them fitted in time for Silverstone in August.
So next race is at Snetterton with the Tricolore Trophy next weekend (Sat 12th July).
Timing as follows
Sign and scrute on 09:00 - 0930
Quali 10:30
Race one 14:15
Race Two 17:20
Any one there, feel free to pop over for a chat
P.S once fitted, my KTEC solid top mounts with fixed strut brace will be up for sale along with my uprated Spax RSX coilover kit
While the Snetterton race is just over a week away I finally had a bit of time to work on the Clio. I fitted 2 new inner tie rods as the old ones was pretty shot, I manage to change out the rods using a 32mm fan spanner.
2 x new R888 ordered for the fronts, new HC brake discs and DS1.11 pads will be going on ready for Snett.
As luck would have it, my girlfriends Dad has a lave in his workshop so will de-glaze my old discs and be used as spares.
All is needed now is an alignment check that I will conduct next week.
Also my AST 5100 (sportline II) with AST top mounts, have been dispatched, unfortunately I wont be fitting these in time for Snett, do to a number of reasons being, time fitting, setting up corner weighting and testing. However I shall promise to have them fitted in time for Silverstone in August.
So next race is at Snetterton with the Tricolore Trophy next weekend (Sat 12th July).
Timing as follows
Sign and scrute on 09:00 - 0930
Quali 10:30
Race one 14:15
Race Two 17:20
Any one there, feel free to pop over for a chat
P.S once fitted, my KTEC solid top mounts with fixed strut brace will be up for sale along with my uprated Spax RSX coilover kit
Renault 5 gt turbo
Want me bring tracking guages mate
I will be doing tracking prior, however it would be handy mate just in case
Iv swapped my front tow eyed to make removing the pumper quicker.
What tracking gauges have you got?
I am considering investing in a set and not sure what to buy?
I am considering investing in a set and not sure what to buy?
Renault 5 gt turbo
Dunlop guages, had a result from a mate....
Loads different sorts out there mate, have a good look around as prices vary a lot.
182cup & 172 racecar
Dunlop gauges are best.
But pricey. Even okd one's
But pricey. Even okd one's
Only problem is that the bumper protrudes to far, and has to be removed, the gauges was on full extension too. They're a good bit of kit though.
George@RTR_Parts
ClioSport Trader
I'll be getting these out today for you Sonny on courier
Cheers
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Not if you use/buy the commercial vehicle ones as the arms are longer. That's what I've got and never have any issues.
Only problem is that the bumper protrudes to far, and has to be removed, the gauges was on full extension too. They're a good bit of kit though.
RACE REPORT: Snetterton 2014
Had a week off work, so had plenty of time to prep the car for the race at Snett. Went for a new set of front tyres (R888 195/5015s) New HC front brake discs and new Ferodo DS1.11 pads (Thanks George), Fitted all this alone with a new Skoda front splitter as my OEM one had seen better days.
Did a full break bleed with help from the girlfriend (put her to use pumping that pedal) along with a full smart string geo and reduced camber by -0.4 deg
Arrived at the circuit and set up, did the usual car checks, and also another quick string geo check, done some pre pad bedding in at the circuit prior to Quali.
Quali
Last time I did Snet was in 2012 and having never done the 200 layout I managed a 1.33 which put me 14th on the grid (out of 34).
Race 1:
Race 1 went well, the car handled perfectly and everything was great, the brake pads was fantastic, however I still had to brake early, due to the wilwoods locking up. Its time I should really fit a brake bias valve to compensate this, but im used to applying the correct brake modulation to threashhold brake. I am going to run my OEM set up at the next race to see if it eliminates the problem.
My Vbox failed to record the first race, again I have had a few probs now which I need to sort out as this has happened twice now.
best time 1.31 finished 14th 2ic
Race 2
After the first race I de-glazed the pads (they was showing a very light glaze, but no juddering) with some emery paper, this proved to be worth it as it made the breaking even better. I really do rate those DS1.11s, prob the best Ferodo pad I have used, My friend rates them from his rally days. Had a good race, improved in lap times, managed a 1.30 lap finished 13th 2ic
This time the Vbox managed to record something.
Race 2 vid http://youtu.be/gAWLlpqXvUY
On the way home from Snetterton, driving along the M11, I came across an RTA that had just happened, car had spun and crash, the occupants was standing by there car bleeding pretty bad, so I pulled over and assisted first aid (being a FPOSI trained), made a pressure dressing out of some workshop towels. So stayed with the casualties until the emergency services arrived, while waiting the heavens decided to open and got absolutely soaked....after 30 min I left the scene (after handing the casualties over to the fire service) arrived home at nearly 10pm...what a day!
Well, had a really good weekend and am looking forward to Silverstone next month. I am now half way through my 1st season racing, and am so happy I started what I have always dreamed of doing. The car, mechanically has been sound, no engine problems, no lights on dash, nothing, only problems have been down to chassis related incidents, such as the handing, suspension, brakes and the gear box selector being hit.
In regards to further mods to the car, I am still waiting on the AST suspension hahahahaha (even though it was suppose to be sent out over a week ago), so hopefully I shall have that fitted for Silverstone, along with my standard brakes. Maybe after silverstone, go for a remap refresh.
Thanks for reading
Sonny
Had a week off work, so had plenty of time to prep the car for the race at Snett. Went for a new set of front tyres (R888 195/5015s) New HC front brake discs and new Ferodo DS1.11 pads (Thanks George), Fitted all this alone with a new Skoda front splitter as my OEM one had seen better days.
Did a full break bleed with help from the girlfriend (put her to use pumping that pedal) along with a full smart string geo and reduced camber by -0.4 deg
Arrived at the circuit and set up, did the usual car checks, and also another quick string geo check, done some pre pad bedding in at the circuit prior to Quali.
Quali
Last time I did Snet was in 2012 and having never done the 200 layout I managed a 1.33 which put me 14th on the grid (out of 34).
Race 1:
Race 1 went well, the car handled perfectly and everything was great, the brake pads was fantastic, however I still had to brake early, due to the wilwoods locking up. Its time I should really fit a brake bias valve to compensate this, but im used to applying the correct brake modulation to threashhold brake. I am going to run my OEM set up at the next race to see if it eliminates the problem.
My Vbox failed to record the first race, again I have had a few probs now which I need to sort out as this has happened twice now.
best time 1.31 finished 14th 2ic
Race 2
After the first race I de-glazed the pads (they was showing a very light glaze, but no juddering) with some emery paper, this proved to be worth it as it made the breaking even better. I really do rate those DS1.11s, prob the best Ferodo pad I have used, My friend rates them from his rally days. Had a good race, improved in lap times, managed a 1.30 lap finished 13th 2ic
This time the Vbox managed to record something.
Race 2 vid http://youtu.be/gAWLlpqXvUY
On the way home from Snetterton, driving along the M11, I came across an RTA that had just happened, car had spun and crash, the occupants was standing by there car bleeding pretty bad, so I pulled over and assisted first aid (being a FPOSI trained), made a pressure dressing out of some workshop towels. So stayed with the casualties until the emergency services arrived, while waiting the heavens decided to open and got absolutely soaked....after 30 min I left the scene (after handing the casualties over to the fire service) arrived home at nearly 10pm...what a day!
Well, had a really good weekend and am looking forward to Silverstone next month. I am now half way through my 1st season racing, and am so happy I started what I have always dreamed of doing. The car, mechanically has been sound, no engine problems, no lights on dash, nothing, only problems have been down to chassis related incidents, such as the handing, suspension, brakes and the gear box selector being hit.
In regards to further mods to the car, I am still waiting on the AST suspension hahahahaha (even though it was suppose to be sent out over a week ago), so hopefully I shall have that fitted for Silverstone, along with my standard brakes. Maybe after silverstone, go for a remap refresh.
Thanks for reading
Sonny
I told you what the brake judder is mate. It's ds3000 pads. They leave material
on the discs.... Makes it feel like the disc is warped.
Went through 2 sets of new discs before I worked out what was happening. Awful pads. Avoid.
182cup & 172 racecar
I've never ever had a front disc warp.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
You want to try driving a nova gsi beyond its limits on standard brakes then tony! Lol!
182cup & 172 racecar
I did.mean a clio one. I've just raced in a standard 106 this weekend at snett and got the discs glowing but still no warpness. Should try harder I suppose.
