Tuning continues.....

[mattjk]

i was ribbing back...........too dry?

Just a tad, but so long as theres no hard feelings bro :approve:

 

[franx]

.. that's ruled out then.. wish it could have been something simple as this. So the mounting procedure does not allow fitting the new cams the way the old ones come out. damn..

good luck ! Leave it to the pro's , they offered to sort it out so you'll be okay

 

[BenR]

i was ribbing back...........too dry?

Just a tad, but so long as theres no hard feelings bro :approve:

lol, course not.

 

[The Seer]

Spoke to Mark at length yesterday about the issue, and we could not come to any reasonable conclusion. It is certainly low on power, but maybe its our fault for not checking where it started off initially.

Even if the cam timing was off as standard, this would be rectified with the new cam installation. One thing mark did mention was that peak power started tailing off pretty early in the rpm range (circa 6200rpm he mentioned), but i have not seen the graph so i would not know apart from what has been relayed to myself.

I did offer him the opportunity for a leakdown and comp test, along with double checking the cam timing. I also offered him the option to try a wilder set of cams, if he felt this was the issue, with labour FOC.

Ideally I would like to get it on the rollers we use in this area which do our base runs on stock cars, so it would be a good place to start for comparison.

Firstly I'd like to say I don't hold Ben respsonsible for not checking the car was ok beforehand. I'd not stated there was any issues and thought that these mods would lift the bhp from (what I suspect) was circa 165 to 190. Looking back I realise as said when first bought the car, it's not performing like I felt it should.

I think a leakdown and compression test, along with cam timing is certainly something to look at. I doubt 428's are trully going to rectify what could be a fault in the engine developing it's real power. Not saying I wouldn't be interested, just other avenues to explore first.

 

[The Seer]

As i said on the day the temps were really getting up in the dyno room and the car was red hot after all the runs!

I think there is at least another 5hp+ in there.

It was a nice strong curve too, smooth torque from quite low down

The figures dont really mean too much if you are comparing to "my mate got 200hp" yes maybe but not on the same dyno. As you know DD are not ones for giving nice figures like some

Paul

I know you did you best Paul and yes as said it was hot in there. Perhpas it might be worth returning depending on the conclusion at AngelWorks?

 

[The Seer]

Ok, a little proof in evidence to my lack of horsepower:

Tonight on my local circuit I took on a 182FF using a Viper induction kit with cold air feed, YozzaSport full system with deleted centre silencer, and YozzaSport de-cat (same as myself).

Both cars were neck and neck, no difference at all in accelerative terms.

This is HOW mine SHOULD go WITHOUT the addition of uprated cams and possibly the re-map.

Gutted considering the amount spent on this comparitively with mine. . Not pleased at all!

Will definately have a full check with Ben at Angelworks asap!

 

[maupineda]

Ok, a little proof in evidence to my lack of horsepower:

Tonight on my local circuit I took on a 182FF using a Viper induction kit with cold air feed, YozzaSport full system with deleted centre silencer, and YozzaSport de-cat (same as myself).

Both cars were neck and neck, no difference at all in accelerative terms.

This is HOW mine SHOULD go WITHOUT the addition of uprated cams and possibly the re-map.

Gutted considering the amount spent on this comparitively with mine. . Not pleased at all!

Will definately have a full check with Ben at Angelworks asap!

Mate, my 182 is a bit like yours, mine has put 140 hp whereas a total stock one made 141 that day. My car has inlets, remap and panel filter (mine should be up at least 5 hp me thinks). And other 182's are just as fast if not a tiny bit faster!!!

What could be the chance of a defective head? This would make flowing not spot on casuing loses, maybe a production variation that is affecting the car. Otherwise, I don't se why your car or mine are not performing as hard as others

 

[The Seer]

Ok, a little proof in evidence to my lack of horsepower:

Tonight on my local circuit I took on a 182FF using a Viper induction kit with cold air feed, YozzaSport full system with deleted centre silencer, and YozzaSport de-cat (same as myself).

Both cars were neck and neck, no difference at all in accelerative terms.

This is HOW mine SHOULD go WITHOUT the addition of uprated cams and possibly the re-map.

Gutted considering the amount spent on this comparitively with mine. . Not pleased at all!

Will definately have a full check with Ben at Angelworks asap!

Mate, my 182 is a bit like yours, mine has put 140 hp whereas a total stock one made 141 that day. My car has inlets, remap and panel filter (mine should be up at least 5 hp me thinks). And other 182's are just as fast if not a tiny bit faster!!!

What could be the chance of a defective head? This would make flowing not spot on casuing loses, maybe a production variation that is affecting the car. Otherwise, I don't se why your car or mine are not performing as hard as others

Sorry to hear your encountering the same dilema as myself.

I agree, there's something not right with some of these 182's. I'm really piss*d off at the mo, but hopefully something can be sorted with the full check at AngelWorks.

Although I'm wondering if anything will come up and just how much it will be to rectify the issue due to what's involved????

I shan't give up though. I WANT and must have the power that 2K trully deserves! I don't want my car being deffective!

 

[Fred@BTM]

i've driven a few dodgy 182's and it seemed to be related to the exhaust everytime, it had no "5k kick" either

sounds daft, but i had a 182 in once that could only hit 85mph on the test run, where normal 182's would hit 95-100mph

comp test was fine, injectors ok, checked everything then noticed a small blow from the cat/centre section join, resealed it, new clamp and it hit 95mph no bother, 5k kick was back too

 

[The Seer]

Cheers Fred. I've got my suspicions about that area. Then again I've got suspicions about the car not having enough power when I first bought it with the oem exhaust.

I'm not expecting mega performance, but something aint right...???

 

[Anonymous]

To be honest mate, i'd seriously consider taking the risk and buying a new 182 engine from a breakers circa £350-400

Get your cams fitted and drop it in your shell....hope for almost 200

Sell old under performing engine on ebay for circa £350-400 and hopefully you'll be a happy chappy.

You will only be £200 out of pocket at a guess

 

[Markpw]

I also offered him the option to try a wilder set of cams, if he felt this was the issue, with labour FOC.

I have very similar set up albeit on my 172 cup but with the 428' cams and oe cat and Ben uploaded the map there and then for me as i didnt see the point of paying more for a live map etc.

Results are soo much better then standard as for power trailing off at just over 6k no way hose these bad boys pull harder then a sex starved nun all the way to the limiter !
Yes i know this is more to do with the peaky nature of 428's but it pulls better from low down and is alot smoother then standard (apart from the nun part)

Sounds like something is a miss The Seer and you must be slightly gutted spending your hard earned and it not living up to your expectations !
No doubt Ben will do his best to id the problem.

Oh ! You could always sell yours and buy mine

 

[The Seer]

To be honest mate, i'd seriously consider taking the risk and buying a new 182 engine from a breakers circa £350-400

Get your cams fitted and drop it in your shell....hope for almost 200

Sell old under performing engine on ebay for circa £350-400 and hopefully you'll be a happy chappy.

You will only be £200 out of pocket at a guess

That's certainly food for thought. I may well consider at that price, £400 for an engine from a breakers?

I'll be returning to AngelWorks shortly for a full check. I'll consider my options as they present themselves.

Thanks for the advice though.

 

[The Seer]

I also offered him the option to try a wilder set of cams, if he felt this was the issue, with labour FOC.

I have very similar set up albeit on my 172 cup but with the 428' cams and oe cat and Ben uploaded the map there and then for me as i didnt see the point of paying more for a live map etc.

Results are soo much better then standard as for power trailing off at just over 6k no way hose these bad boys pull harder then a sex starved nun all the way to the limiter !
Yes i know this is more to do with the peaky nature of 428's but it pulls better from low down and is alot smoother then standard (apart from the nun part)

Sounds like something is a miss The Seer and you must be slightly gutted spending your hard earned and it not living up to your expectations !
No doubt Ben will do his best to id the problem.

Oh ! You could always sell yours and buy mine

I'd heard the 428's didn't have more or less anything hence the reason I opted for 420's.

I'm suprised :S .

 

[Markpw]

I'd heard the 428's didn't have more or less anything hence the reason I opted for 420's.

I'm suprised :S

unless i just have a well rounded engine, who knows !
Hope you get to the bottom of this buddy

 

[Bagus]

2 weeks from now ,I'm gonna try the Piper cams on my 182 cup and hope being able to post the results then...

Current setup is a K&N panel,a Rossi cat(bought it from K-tec) inlet stage 1 from BenR and a reprogrammed ecu and car produced 186,1 hp at the crank and 22,1 kg of torgue.

Hope to see 190-193 bhp at the crank with those(and a good remmap as well)

The last thing would be a nice exhaust,but since I want a silenced one that would have some gains too cannot decide for which to go for...

 

[GazM]

2 weeks from now ,I'm gonna try the Piper cams on my 182 cup and hope being able to post the results then...

Current setup is a K&N panel,a Rossi cat(bought it from K-tec) inlet stage 1 from BenR and a reprogrammed ecu and car produced 186,1 hp at the crank and 22,1 kg of torgue.

Hope to see 190-193 bhp at the crank with those(and a good remmap as well)

The last thing would be a nice exhaust,but since I want a silenced one that would have some gains too cannot decide for which to go for...

i'd go for the scorpion rs192 if you want something quiet mate

 

[Bagus]

Yeah I've been reading the scorpion 192 - topic and I'll have it in my mind.Milltek would be also a solution and there are some others too.But first I'd like to finish the cam-issue.

The thing is that with a proper exhaust the car would be much better.Before some months I had a very nice backbox- hand made here in Athens from a well known Greek exhaust maker and it rocked !
190,9 hp at the dyno,car was better at entire rpm range,but had to take it off since it was really annoying and boomy.I'm 29 and getting old .

 

[Gaz_]

ive heard the piper cams are very tappy........

 

[Bagus]

Sorry but what "tappy" means ?

 

[The Seer]

I'd heard the 428's didn't have more or less anything hence the reason I opted for 420's.

I'm suprised :S

unless i just have a well rounded engine, who knows !
Hope you get to the bottom of this buddy

Me too!! At the moment it doesn't sit too pretty. With the mods so far my car is only making about 8-9 bhp over what most experience with NO mods whatsoever!!!!! :S .

 

[The Seer]

2 weeks from now ,I'm gonna try the Piper cams on my 182 cup and hope being able to post the results then...

Current setup is a K&N panel,a Rossi cat(bought it from K-tec) inlet stage 1 from BenR and a reprogrammed ecu and car produced 186,1 hp at the crank and 22,1 kg of torgue.

Hope to see 190-193 bhp at the crank with those(and a good remmap as well)

The last thing would be a nice exhaust,but since I want a silenced one that would have some gains too cannot decide for which to go for...

May I ask if you used a DynoDynamics rollers for the power test? Your at the wheels figure is?

 

[The Seer]

Yeah I've been reading the scorpion 192 - topic and I'll have it in my mind.Milltek would be also a solution and there are some others too.But first I'd like to finish the cam-issue.

The thing is that with a proper exhaust the car would be much better.Before some months I had a very nice backbox- hand made here in Athens from a well known Greek exhaust maker and it rocked !
190,9 hp at the dyno,car was better at entire rpm range,but had to take it off since it was really annoying and boomy.I'm 29 and getting old .

I'd personally get the uprated exhaust asap. No point in returning to re-map the car once again in later months after the cams.

I had the car re-mapped the day AFTER the cams and inlets were matched. Glad I did as well! The ECU was over fueling, running fairly rich, bad MPG.

Really need to re-map as soon as the cams are fitted.

 

[The Seer]

Sorry but what "tappy" means ?

It means you'll be able to hear the tappets on the valve train more so than usual. This usually appears on cars which have worn tappets. Obviously this won't be the case if there's no noise beforehand.

Noticed my Cat 420's are causing a slightly tappety sound. Just something uprated cams cause I guess.

 

[Bagus]

I'm not quite familiar with the dyno types.In the Greek renault club we go to TAT or Maha dynamometers.The one I went was a TAT.I dont have the power at wheels figure,but as soon as I finish the cams job I'll post all the results.


Thanks for the "tappy" info.

The exhaust issue would finish soon also.But as I said I want a nice sport sound that would not be ear-busting.For example Orbisoud was really annoying.Janspeed was nice in sound but had no gains.
I'm thinking of Milltek cat back system.

 

[The Seer]

^ Do you have an at the wheel figure for your dyno test?

One of the locals round my way uses a Yozzasport with a de-cat. It's ALOT louder than mine. But what an EXCELLENT sound!!!!

I opted for a BTB full system with YozzSport de-cat. It's not as noisy, quiet compared to previous mentioned exhaust.

If you wan't a system that lasts stay away from Janspeed. Not of quality materials compared to Yozza or BTB. I think the Miltek could be the one, not too loud.

 

[Bagus]

The dyno shows at the wheel figures,but I dont have them.Next time I'll be measured I'll ask them to show me the at the wheels figures though.

I already have a K-tec sports cat,so I'm only looking to a cat back system.The Milltek one is high at the list but want to check some other systems too before getting one.