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Uprated poly exhaust mounts - how many interested?
Clio 172 2003
Time limit to edit the comment expired so I'll post it here:
Hi there. So I fitted mine to my 172 yesterday.
The parcel arrived on Friday and apart from the mount I got a little riddle when I've seen the "Dolphin Friendly" logo showing through the tape. My girlfriend bet on some sort of fishing equipment I simply had no clue. Turned out to be a box of cat-food. My cat approved of this straight away.
Cheers for putting in the efort of putting my nick on the mount. Absolutely love it. Back in a day when I worked at MINI Plant Oxford in the Engineering department i was responsible for managing all the rapid prototyping jobs from engineers, so I appreciate this took an extra few minutes to do.
My exhaust was dropping down so I knew the mount will be in sorry state, but what I've seen kinda shocked me. I've unbolted the mount, which was quicker than expected as one of the bolts was snapped by previous owner
Then I proceeded to cut out the old insert which was an absolute b**ch to do. In the end I've gotten nearly all of the rubber out all the way to the mettal using 3 different knives, a small hacksaw and small, pointy pliers. I guess it could be handy if with the mounts you could provide the instructions of how best to tackle this job when you start the proper sales as it can be frustrating.
I lubed up the outside of the insert and inside of the bracket with fairy liquid, and was able to insert the mount quite easily by hand. Now this could be down to the way I cut out the rubber. Basically there is a small step in the metal at the narrower end of the mount on three sides of the box section (sides and bottom, not top). If I cut the rubber out flush with this step i think the fit would be perfect, with me getting rid of all the rubber, the fit is perfect but the metal doesn't grab it too hard. Once fitted to the car I moved the mount to align the bolts, and instead of the insert moving on the exhaust rod, the bracket was sliding on the insert.
My recommendation would be to make the mount 0.5-1mm wider and taller or make sure that rubber of the old mount is cut out flush with the step (although I find the step useful for holding the mount in place.
Then I also swapped out the old black center-section mount as mine was stretched beyond what seemed reasonable and the whole thing was just flopping about. I replaced it with the new style red mount which I have also wrapped with 2 thick cable ties to give it a bit more strength.
I then proceeded to change the downpipe to cat spring-s as one of mine is loose and rattles like hell at 3.5-4.5k revs. I didn't even get to start, because instead I learned why lifting an MK 2 clio front using 2 scisor jacks is a stupid Idea. Thank God I wasn't underneath the car when the whole thing collapsed, because otherwise I wouldn't be writing this. This morning with my neighbour's hand I managed to get the Honda Jack from underneath the car. I'll report back when I do a test-drive and provide more pictures. The exhaust sits nice and high now.
Thanks very much Philip!
Hi there. So I fitted mine to my 172 yesterday.
The parcel arrived on Friday and apart from the mount I got a little riddle when I've seen the "Dolphin Friendly" logo showing through the tape. My girlfriend bet on some sort of fishing equipment I simply had no clue. Turned out to be a box of cat-food. My cat approved of this straight away.
Cheers for putting in the efort of putting my nick on the mount. Absolutely love it. Back in a day when I worked at MINI Plant Oxford in the Engineering department i was responsible for managing all the rapid prototyping jobs from engineers, so I appreciate this took an extra few minutes to do.
My exhaust was dropping down so I knew the mount will be in sorry state, but what I've seen kinda shocked me. I've unbolted the mount, which was quicker than expected as one of the bolts was snapped by previous owner
Then I proceeded to cut out the old insert which was an absolute b**ch to do. In the end I've gotten nearly all of the rubber out all the way to the mettal using 3 different knives, a small hacksaw and small, pointy pliers. I guess it could be handy if with the mounts you could provide the instructions of how best to tackle this job when you start the proper sales as it can be frustrating.I lubed up the outside of the insert and inside of the bracket with fairy liquid, and was able to insert the mount quite easily by hand. Now this could be down to the way I cut out the rubber. Basically there is a small step in the metal at the narrower end of the mount on three sides of the box section (sides and bottom, not top). If I cut the rubber out flush with this step i think the fit would be perfect, with me getting rid of all the rubber, the fit is perfect but the metal doesn't grab it too hard. Once fitted to the car I moved the mount to align the bolts, and instead of the insert moving on the exhaust rod, the bracket was sliding on the insert.
My recommendation would be to make the mount 0.5-1mm wider and taller or make sure that rubber of the old mount is cut out flush with the step (although I find the step useful for holding the mount in place.
Then I also swapped out the old black center-section mount as mine was stretched beyond what seemed reasonable and the whole thing was just flopping about. I replaced it with the new style red mount which I have also wrapped with 2 thick cable ties to give it a bit more strength.
I then proceeded to change the downpipe to cat spring-s as one of mine is loose and rattles like hell at 3.5-4.5k revs. I didn't even get to start, because instead I learned why lifting an MK 2 clio front using 2 scisor jacks is a stupid Idea. Thank God I wasn't underneath the car when the whole thing collapsed, because otherwise I wouldn't be writing this.
This morning with my neighbour's hand I managed to get the Honda Jack from underneath the car. I'll report back when I do a test-drive and provide more pictures. The exhaust sits nice and high now. Thanks very much Philip!
Jekyll
ClioSport Club Member
Looks a great bit of kit.
406 V6, Race Buggy
Yes, I need to sit down and write some fitting instructions when they ready - I usually just burn out old mounts (bury 'em in the hot coals when your BBQ is cooling down is another good option). That way they're always sat on clean metal
Let me know when you've been for a run whether the noise/vibration levels okay?
Let me know when you've been for a run whether the noise/vibration levels okay?
Instead of buying new exhaust mounts you should have invested in axle stands and a proper trolley jack!Time limit to edit the comment expired so I'll post it here:
Hi there. So I fitted mine to my 172 yesterday.
The parcel arrived on Friday and apart from the mount I got a little riddle when I've seen the "Dolphin Friendly" logo showing through the tape. My girlfriend bet on some sort of fishing equipment I simply had no clue. Turned out to be a box of cat-food. My cat approved of this straight away.
Cheers for putting in the efort of putting my nick on the mount. Absolutely love it. Back in a day when I worked at MINI Plant Oxford in the Engineering department i was responsible for managing all the rapid prototyping jobs from engineers, so I appreciate this took an extra few minutes to do.
My exhaust was dropping down so I knew the mount will be in sorry state, but what I've seen kinda shocked me. I've unbolted the mount, which was quicker than expected as one of the bolts was snapped by previous owner
I lubed up the outside of the insert and inside of the bracket with fairy liquid, and was able to insert the mount quite easily by hand. Now this could be down to the way I cut out the rubber. Basically there is a small step in the metal at the narrower end of the mount on three sides of the box section (sides and bottom, not top). If I cut the rubber out flush with this step i think the fit would be perfect, with me getting rid of all the rubber, the fit is perfect but the metal doesn't grab it too hard. Once fitted to the car I moved the mount to align the bolts, and instead of the insert moving on the exhaust rod, the bracket was sliding on the insert.
My recommendation would be to make the mount 0.5-1mm wider and taller or make sure that rubber of the old mount is cut out flush with the step (although I find the step useful for holding the mount in place.
Then I also swapped out the old black center-section mount as mine was stretched beyond what seemed reasonable and the whole thing was just flopping about. I replaced it with the new style red mount which I have also wrapped with 2 thick cable ties to give it a bit more strength.
I then proceeded to change the downpipe to cat spring-s as one of mine is loose and rattles like hell at 3.5-4.5k revs. I didn't even get to start, because instead I learned why lifting an MK 2 clio front using 2 scisor jacks is a stupid Idea. Thank God I wasn't underneath the car when the whole thing collapsed, because otherwise I wouldn't be writing this.
Thanks very much Philip!
But dragging a trolley jack around holding his exhaust up is going to make even more noise than his loose exhaust did!
406 V6, Race Buggy
Yes, I would advice anyone getting under a car for anything puts axle stands under there, even hydraulic jacks collapse sometimes.
If you don't have anything and it's an emergency at least take a wheel or two off and push them under the sills - better a wheel getting damaged than yourself.
If you don't have anything and it's an emergency at least take a wheel or two off and push them under the sills - better a wheel getting damaged than yourself.
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clio i think
Price for a pair
Clio 172 2003
You know how it is: jacks collapsing and other such storries can't happen to me, they only happen to random people on the internet. I'm careful and I know what I'm doing. Surely it will be fine...
Now being serious I live in a flat in London, keep the car on a common parking in front of the building. No space to keep a trolley jack anywhere, and besides I don't wrench on it often enough to justify it.Meanwhile I drove down to the south coast today. The mount is great, same level of vibration as my previous worn one (which i think is perfectly acceptable, can't compare it to a fresh stock one) but obviously less backbox flopping about and clunking, so the car feels more solid going over bumps. However, it seems like I do have a loose heatshield somewhere as now I am getting an irregular buzzing noise mainly when idling. Luckily it's not too loud.
406 V6, Race Buggy
Okay, so far all the feedback I've had from testers sent out - as well as the two local/friends ones I've been having a look at when they come around - are having no issues, sag, exhaust fitment, vibration level/comfort, etc, all are reporting as fine, and the fit for the centre hanger seems perfect for everyone, whether it's a new stainless exhaust or an old rusty hanger (it's deliberately distorted in the bush so it can take a wider range of actual hanger diameters).
Fit in the mounts seems to be good, although both sysak above and one other has reported it moved a little in the housing initially - although not once they'd bedded in, then they stay retained just fine - that may be down to fitting them with lubricant/washing up liquid as the rest were fitted either dry or just with slightly soapy water.
However, bearing that in mind I've made a slight tweak to give them slightly more vertical preload (same lateral) - and increased the wall roughness slightly so they wipe/wick away anything used to fit them faster - just in case - I think they should be pretty much perfect at that.
I've a few more I'm waiting on fitting that have already gone out, and waiting on more milage for durability testing on various setups just in case - although I don't expect any problems there given I've already had a similar on go for 18+ months before the car was sold, and it's stronger and more resistant to degradation, oils, ozone, etc, than the OE rubbers - belt and braces though
But it's looking good, so we should have a production run shortly.
Fit in the mounts seems to be good, although both sysak above and one other has reported it moved a little in the housing initially - although not once they'd bedded in, then they stay retained just fine - that may be down to fitting them with lubricant/washing up liquid as the rest were fitted either dry or just with slightly soapy water.
However, bearing that in mind I've made a slight tweak to give them slightly more vertical preload (same lateral) - and increased the wall roughness slightly so they wipe/wick away anything used to fit them faster - just in case - I think they should be pretty much perfect at that.
I've a few more I'm waiting on fitting that have already gone out, and waiting on more milage for durability testing on various setups just in case - although I don't expect any problems there given I've already had a similar on go for 18+ months before the car was sold, and it's stronger and more resistant to degradation, oils, ozone, etc, than the OE rubbers - belt and braces though
But it's looking good, so we should have a production run shortly.
Jekyll
ClioSport Club Member
406 V6, Race Buggy
It's going to depend on numbers and any revisions, and what Kev needs to hit if he stocks them (and retail packaging costs, etc) - but I'm looking at around the same price as the Powerflex options at the minute - and hopefully just below. I'll try to update on price this week.
Jekyll
ClioSport Club Member
Ok buddy, keep us updated.
I may be interested in 2 myself.
I may be interested in 2 myself.
Clio 172 2003
406 V6, Race Buggy
Yes, I've already made a pair and tested them, they can still be fitted by hand albiet a bit harder to do, in a clean dry housing, so all good there. A bit of water alone is enough to get them into a housing with rubber remanants.
I'm in the middle of trying to write some idiot-proof instructions at the moment, just in case
I'm in the middle of trying to write some idiot-proof instructions at the moment, just in case
406 V6, Race Buggy
I'd love to go cheaper, but unfortunately with the simple solid poly cast ones they can probably turn out 50 of them in the same time it takes me to make one, not even counting the oven time.
I don't think there's any problem with giving the usual 2-year warranty against defects or faults, short of doing something silly like spraying them with acid or acetone or something, there's not really much that will happen to them bar a little creep over time, which all mounts do.
I don't think there's any problem with giving the usual 2-year warranty against defects or faults, short of doing something silly like spraying them with acid or acetone or something, there's not really much that will happen to them bar a little creep over time, which all mounts do.
Leo182
ClioSport Club Member
Blk/Gld 182 Cupped
Fitted mine today as the oem ones were finally dead, some serious banging when going over bumps were occurring.
I've not really drove the car since fitted - just around the block although I did maybe hear the heatshield now flapping onto the backbox, will fit some bigger washers as the ones there are doing nothing.
I shall report back, exhaust sits better and seems firmly in place.
Watch this space...
I've not really drove the car since fitted - just around the block although I did maybe hear the heatshield now flapping onto the backbox, will fit some bigger washers as the ones there are doing nothing.
I shall report back, exhaust sits better and seems firmly in place.
Watch this space...
Clio 172 2003
Hi Phillip. I have followed your advice. Drenched a rag and a small block of wood in solvant, placed in the middle of the mount and set on fire to burn out whatever rubber I wasn't able to cut out. The remains scraped off nicely with a wire-brush. I have washed the soap off the insert and refitted using only water as lubrication. It fitted more snuggly. I haven't driven it that much since then, but judging by the lack of sounds from underneath the car it's still all good. I'll have a closer look tomorrow.
406 V6, Race Buggy
That's great news, hopefully was just the rubber remains in yours stopping it going up tight then.
I may have to think about buying a few housings and offer them pre-fitted on the production ones, just to make things easier for people needing a fast swap.
I can just sandblast them up here in bulk to take the rubber out.
I may have to think about buying a few housings and offer them pre-fitted on the production ones, just to make things easier for people needing a fast swap.
I can just sandblast them up here in bulk to take the rubber out.
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Leo182
ClioSport Club Member
Blk/Gld 182 Cupped
Fit seemed ok to me, I didn't burn the old rubber out though just used a stanley knife took a while though!
I managed to use brute force with a little fairy liquid and a clamp to ease it in, seems fine to me.
donnylad
ClioSport Club Member
are you selling these now? how much? I have skim read so sorry if I have missed it.
If you have a mould and want it moulding let me know and I can prob do it quite cheap, especially if you supply the material.
If you have a mould and want it moulding let me know and I can prob do it quite cheap, especially if you supply the material.
406 V6, Race Buggy
As the design is at the moment it couldn't be easily moulded without some hassle, as it has sectional changes throughout that result in quite a lot of undercut areas on both sides - I'd have to revise it, but I don't think that really makes sense at the current numbers.
406 V6, Race Buggy
Right, since testing seems to have gone fine, I'm going to push forward with these - I've got a few suspension bushes to finish this week, and then the machine is free for a few days - so I'll probably get the first small production batch out next week, around 10-20 units.
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
Got a pair of those delivered today - due to be fitted when my exhaust gets seen to, next Thursday.
Hopefully they help with the alignment and general vibrations, etc?
Well I drilled loads of holes in my Powerflex exhaust mount and it made sod all difference to the boot lid vibrating, as soon as you've got a batch of these i'm giving you some money.
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