BIGASH/FF-Racing X85 Clio Cup Racer Project

[NorthloopCup]

If there's enough demand for it, then I see no reason why we can't look into doing the various options tbh. At the minute it's a case of trying to keep it as simple as possible really.
The mk1 can be accommodated mate no problem.
Yeah a decent drill and drill bit would go through, but you'd need some cutting oil ideally as well so the bit isn't blunted.

This setup is on my car in the ring video for reference chip, so I think that shows how well it works if you know what I mean?

 

[MG cup]

No I only asked Mark as my friend done this to his mk1 golf and had no end of trouble ovaling the ball joint clamp on the hub, ended up with tempered steel pins and welding them with the bolt too.

The shafts are horizontal anyway Chip when you moderately lower a Clio so they barely get any longer or shorter in bump and rebound. Also its a minefield if different length shafts throughout the range, fitting cup racer stuff (which this is a copy of without the shortened strut housing) to a ph1 or ph2 you can get away with cup or scenic shafts but on the cup you have to go custom really, N/S is just about passable. Ideally you don't want to use camber bolts, as I have said above it moves the wheel inclination away from the struts movement plane.

 

[NorthloopCup]

No I only asked Mark as my friend done this to his mk1 golf and had no end of trouble ovaling the ball joint clamp on the hub, ended up with tempered steel pins and welding them with the bolt too.

Thats where the development has gone into this set up Morgan to completely eradicate that issue.

 

[JackJack]

Looks like a great bit of kit.

 

[BIGASH]

If doing as a kit, I would make the wishbone balljoint holders a bit longer and then either sell them without holes, or get people to specify the amount of extra track they want do you can drill the holes for them in a difference place, as it would be such a trivial way to increase track width a bit (seeing as its a safe assumption that if you are buying this kit then you are lowered and running more camber anyway so the driveshafts end up longer than ideal anyway so 10mm or so extra track from a longer balljoint holder would just put them back to where they want to be in the first place)

The spherical holder needs to be the correct length to suit the holes as the ARB is directly behind it so if you were to make a 'universal' one like you suggest then you would have to tell everyone to remove the ARB mount to allow for the differing possible lengths depending on where you drill the holes.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yes I forgot about ARB mounting point Ash, that does limit the options somewhat.

Will have to save my pennies up then for when you start making them.

 

[BIGASH]

Had a blast up my road today in the car as a bit of a shakedown! Car felt good and great to drive it again. Got a feeling the alternator has an issue. I started the car and the alternator wasn't charging and then suddenly started working. Will have to monitor it at Oulton in testing and be ready to swap it to the spare if needed.

 

[Adam G]

Can't come soon enough mate, hopefully the alternator will sort itself out.

 

[shiftspark]

Looking good James, whats the plan for sat ? qualifiying and race times as I will come down to watch or help out if needed.

 

[BIGASH]

Looking good James, whats the plan for sat ? qualifiying and race times as I will come down to watch or help out if needed.

Thanks Colin hope you are well quali is 9.25-9.45 I think, first race 12.20-12.35 and final race at 3-3.15

Yes I could really do with some help if possible, as far as I know I'm going alone so it's always tricky.

 

[fake ben taylor]

Love the roll centre and bump steer correction!!!

Going to be available as a kit?

 

[shiftspark]

I will give you a bell tomorrow James.

 

[msa197]

Time table :- http://www.barcnw.co.uk/barcnw2013_002.htm

 

[BIGASH]

Love the roll centre and bump steer correction!!!

Going to be available as a kit?

Thanks Ben yes certainly is just waiting until we have done more testing and have some real data to back them up with before going any further. It has been designed for me and Mark to use on our own cars but it seems quite a lot of people are interested so I don't see why we can't get more sets made

I will give you a bell tomorrow James.

Great stuff thanks Colin

Time table :- http://www.barcnw.co.uk/barcnw2013_002.htm

Thanks Mike are you and Nick both coming to this one?

 

[EVOgone]

Kit is like the cup racer set up apart from the steering rod end correction but I'm sure the different hub corrects it on them.

 

[BIGASH]

Kit is like the cup racer set up apart from the steering rod end correction but I'm sure the different hub corrects it on them.

The reason we went and made this kit is because we didn't want to have to get custom driveshafts made or having to get suspension made to suit the Laguna hubs. This just bolts straight on, I think it took me about 15 mins a side to swap over from standard and that included setting the camber.

 

[dinger]

The kit looks good James,

But ever the sceptical me! Have you read the new regs for next year regarding hubs and mounting points? May be worth having a chat with Steve about changing the wording?

 

[BIGASH]

The kit looks good James,

But ever the sceptical me! Have you read the new regs for next year regarding hubs and mounting points? May be worth having a chat with Steve about changing the wording?

Haha yes I read it this morning and did wonder I will ask Steve at the weekend. Its probably not too important for me anyway as I don't think I'm going to be able to race next year anyway unfortunately

 

[dinger]

What!!!!!!!!

Why not fella? You cant just feck off when Ive just started, lol

 

[Tony Hunter]

The kit looks good James,

But ever the sceptical me! Have you read the new regs for next year regarding hubs and mounting points? May be worth having a chat with Steve about changing the wording?

I think that's more to do with the production class Dave.

 

[dinger]

No mate, deffo Class A,

Surprised me actually and I quote "Hubs/uprights to be of original design, mounting points must be original, NOTE, Invitation class free"

Technically, James is keeping the pick up points but adding material between these points, I'm sure its only in there to stop one off alloy hubs to reduce bump steer.

 

[Tony Hunter]

I've not read them properly yet,been too busy and too tired to take it all in.

 

[BIGASH]

What!!!!!!!!

Why not fella? You cant just feck off when Ive just started, lol

Just not sustainable for me with my income these days so unless that suddenly changes then i'm just going to have to watch/help from the sidelines which I really enjoy doing anyway. The car will never be sold and hopefully will get occasional use for special occasions.

No mate, deffo Class A,

Surprised me actually and I quote "Hubs/uprights to be of original design, mounting points must be original, NOTE, Invitation class free"

Technically, James is keeping the pick up points but adding material between these points, I'm sure its only in there to stop one off alloy hubs to reduce bump steer.

I will ask Steve and see what he says, In theory the reg's for this year and next would stop people with AST's from entering but most of the clios that run have them so I think they are fairly flexible.

 

[NorthloopCup]

No mate, deffo Class A,

Surprised me actually and I quote "Hubs/uprights to be of original design, mounting points must be original, NOTE, Invitation class free"

That'll be Ian kicked out then if they follow that to the letter as he runs the cup racer setup. The hubs aren't of the original design it shares an extender pin too. Quickest and easiest way to kill a series right there imo.

 

[Jay Payne]

Ian uses stock hubs

 

[EVOgone]

That'll be Ian kicked out then if they follow that to the letter as he runs the cup racer setup. The hubs aren't of the original design it shares an extender pin too. Quickest and easiest way to kill a series right there imo.

or the best thing to attract more competitors so you don't have lots of expense to be competitive..........

 

[mark123]

The trackday trophy have a similar reg that I queried regarding the ASTs and they said the different spring position was fine.

Can't believe you aren't going to race next year James. Hope you manage to sort something out.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Ian uses stock hubs

Not when I last looked they weren't mate.

 

[Tony Hunter]

I thought he had Megane ones?

 

[NorthloopCup]

I thought he had Megane ones?

You can get a setup that was used on the megane racers that's essentially the same as the cup racer stuff tony. As you know I've looked at all possible options, so that may well be what Ian is running. Ultimately though, if that ruling is abided by he would have to remove them and refit original hubs.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Just best we all keep quiet then.

 

[mitsiman]

Just best we all keep quiet then.

MINE ARE MEGANE ONES WITH A MODIFIED CLIO CUP WISHBONE SET UP - WHOOPS, that just slipped out - I am sure that the regs mean bespoke alloy ones - not like mine which are standard design but not off a Clio.

 

[mitsiman]

or the best thing to attract more competitors so you don't have lots of expense to be competitive..........

I'll take them off if you want, put standard ones on and see you at Mallory - For "Pinks"- bring another car to go home in!

 

[Nick172Cup]

I'll take them off if you want, put standard ones on and see you at Mallory - For "Pinks"- bring another car to go home in!

You've got enough race cars Ian, you need to sell that black on to me.

 

[Adam G]

Once you go black......

 

[Tony Hunter]

I'll take them off if you want, put standard ones on and see you at Mallory - For "Pinks"- bring another car to go home in!

You're on form tonight. Hi.

 

[mitsiman]

You're on form tonight. Hi.

Hi - Still on a high from yesterday.

 

[mitsiman]

You've got enough race cars Ian, you need to sell that black on to me.

Its got the wrong hubs on, you would't want it!

 

[mitsiman]

Once you go black......

I should paint it pink inside

 

[dinger]

What have I started, Swapping "pinks"

Take them off and run no hubs, you'd still beat a lot of people, lol