do different wheels affect brake fade?

[chrishesketh]

upgraded my brakes to brembo max hc discs and mintex m1144s. when driving very hard and fast road use I get brake fade after a while which yes this is expected! but I think I remember reading that wheels such as speedlines help prevent brake fade due to more air being able to reach the brakes! has anyone actually experienced this and can confirm this?

I'm looking at speedline 2118's in anthracite but I need to wait a few weeks until I have the disposable income to do this!

cheers, chris

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

How old is the fluid in the system ?

I assume you changed it when you did the discs/pads.......

Fresh fluid will make a huge difference.

 

[chrishesketh]

How old is the fluid in the system ?

I assume you changed it when you did the discs/pads.......

Fresh fluid will make a huge difference.

awaiting my braided hoses to be delivered and i am then fitting them and changing my fluid, my bad! thanks a lot mate

 

[cat171]

Braided hoses are pretty crap imo, I've got them. They are no where near as good as expected!

 

[chrishesketh]

Braided hoses are pretty crap imo, I've got them. They are no where near as good as expected!

might as well wait and put them on now they are ordered tho! but cheers anyway

 

[chrishesketh]

back to my original question, will wheels make any difference? only asking this because last night when I stopped my alloys wheels where scolding hot! so I figure having less alloy in the way will increase air flow... reducing brake fade?

 

[Matt W]

I'm sure it will make a slight difference. I think I felt a difference when on track with 182 wheels, then turinis. (The 182 wheels causing more fade).

 

[cat171]

back to my original question, will wheels make any difference? only asking this because last night when I stopped my alloys wheels where scolding hot! so I figure having less alloy in the way will increase air flow... reducing brake fade?

I think you have something rubbing tbh. Scalding hot isn't right.

 

[JamesBryan]

I think you have something rubbing tbh. Scalding hot isn't right.

My 2118's get too hot to touch on track. So it is possible.

 

[cat171]

My 2118's get too hot to touch on track. So it is possible.

He's not tracking it though dude. He said "very hard and fast road use" (whatever that means)

 

[M.C..]

you should not be getting brake fade on the road, on a track where you are stamping on the brakes every few seconds and braking from high speed I am sure a more open wheel will reduce brake fade but it will be more down to type of pads, discs and fluid used

 

[chrishesketh]

He's not tracking it though dude. He said "very hard and fast road use" (whatever that means)

I was on country roads for about half an hour which consisted of non stop accelerating then hard braking would this cause brake fade?

 

[chrishesketh]

you should not be getting brake fade on the road, on a track where you are stamping on the brakes every few seconds and braking from high speed I am sure a more open wheel will reduce brake fade but it will be more down to type of pads, discs and fluid used

when I got fade I was ok country roads around mine stamping on the brakes every few seconds for about half an hour, would this not cause any fade at all? i understand I need to do my fluid and I am just waiting for my lines before I do them together! thanks for the help

 

[JamesBryan]

He's not tracking it though dude. He said "very hard and fast road use" (whatever that means)

Yeah, shouldn't be getting fade too much on country roads.

Fresh fluid would be a good start.

 

[chrishesketh]

Yeah, shouldn't be getting fade too much on country roads.

Fresh fluid would be a good start.

appreciate all the help form everyone! fluid will go in ASAP and I will let you know how I get on cheers! also be looking into speedlines anyway as I prefer the look

 

[dlee182]

It will be cheaper to run a cooling duct to the brakes than change the wheels, unless this is a little man maths justification. I did this to another car of mine thats quite heavy and it made a noticable difference.

 

[Munson]

Fluid has very little to do with pad fade. Pad fade is when the material runs outside of its operating temperature. You get very little braking effort, but still a normal pedal. At this stage the fluid may still be ok. You're in real trouble when you get fluid fade (boiling) and the pedal sinks to the floor. Nappies required.

So yes good fresh fluid is important, but if you're running normal road pads, it's most likely that they will fade long before you're at risk of boiling the brake fluid.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Mintex 1144 aren't all that. I get my ds2500 fading on the road (but not so much on track as you carry more speed.)

Better pads are the answer. You could try Yellowstuff as a budget offering, £65 for a set of them. Anything else costs 2-4x that.

 

[chrishesketh]

Fluid has very little to do with pad fade. Pad fade is when the material runs outside of its operating temperature. You get very little braking effort, but still a normal pedal. At this stage the fluid may still be ok. You're in real trouble when you get fluid fade (boiling) and the pedal sinks to the floor. Nappies required.

So yes good fresh fluid is important, but if you're running normal road pads, it's most likely that they will fade long before you're at risk of boiling the brake fluid.

my pedal did feel normal which is why I originally question my brakes getting too hot! the heat of the brakes also transferring to the alloys! maybe my mintex just don't cut it and I need ferodo pads?

or maybe it's a mixture of all?

the brakes are being used a hell of a lot when I get fade it is understandable that brakes do fade, but I'm just wondering if I can reduce this that's all!

all the replies have been very helpful thanks you all

 

[chrishesketh]

Mintex 1144 aren't all that. I get my ds2500 fading on the road (but not so much on track as you carry more speed.)

Better pads are the answer. You could try Yellowstuff as a budget offering, £65 for a set of them. Anything else costs 2-4x that.

this is great thanks for that! money isn't the issue I will happily fork out for ds2500s, when I did my research fast road use said mintex 1144s but now I have learnt my lesson! thanks a lot buddy

 

[Ph1 Tom]

g172 can help you out as our resident brake man.

 

[chrishesketh]

so other than concluding I need to do a few more bits sorting on my own rig...

do your wheels affect brake fade or not?

 

[MG cup]

Yes wheels will affect cooling but unless you fit something like this the difference will be negligible. Mintex 1144's aren't any better than a Brembo standard pad IME. Yellow stuff are infinitely better than ds2500 too and a fraction of the cost.