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Yes. Interesting point there - get a column without an ignition barrel, or get the key because you have to put the key in and turn to position 1 to unlock the barrel from the column LOL
I found out the hard way - had to drill the locking ping out of the barrel on mine as it had no key
You need a stub of the main power plug.
The 16-pin plug comes with the box from ebay so you don't need that - and the other plug is on the end of a long blue cable from the EPAS motor so doesn't come with the column/ECU
It's refurbished racks I've seen not columns
Brand new DCi rack for £65 -- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251253942011?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Could be a point I will need to look into it on the bay of e.
So to simplify, you need a stub on the middle plug on the ECU, everything else is supplied with the control box and column?
yeah it was racks come to think of it, yours was from renparts right Phil without trawling back through this?
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Not sure what you mean by big plug
Theres a wide 16 pin plug - you don't need that
Then 2 x 2 pin plugs with power/earth leads
One of those you need as you need to wire it to a battery feed with a 60a fuse
The other comes on a cable from the EPAS motor
It's the middle plug you need :-
And the motor on the column needs to have this cable in-tact
I got my DCi rack and 1.2 16v column with ECU from renparts yes
It's only an hour from me so I felt it was best to travel and pick them out by hand so I could get a nice smooth rack and all the wiring plugs I needed
I'm sure Kat can sort you out though if you speak to her
Someone else did ask about cost...
Rack - £25
Column & Ecu - £60
Ebay control box - £45
Wiring + misc parts - £25
So it's do-able for £155
I chose to also refresh the following
Inner tie rods - £15
Outer tie rods - £18
Bottom ball joints - £45
So about another £80
£235 aint bad for a brand spanking new steering setup, it feels like a different car, very tight!
Theres a wide 16 pin plug - you don't need that
Then 2 x 2 pin plugs with power/earth leads
One of those you need as you need to wire it to a battery feed with a 60a fuse
The other comes on a cable from the EPAS motor
It's the middle plug you need :-
And the motor on the column needs to have this cable in-tact
I got my DCi rack and 1.2 16v column with ECU from renparts yes
It's only an hour from me so I felt it was best to travel and pick them out by hand so I could get a nice smooth rack and all the wiring plugs I needed
I'm sure Kat can sort you out though if you speak to her
Someone else did ask about cost...
Rack - £25
Column & Ecu - £60
Ebay control box - £45
Wiring + misc parts - £25
So it's do-able for £155
I chose to also refresh the following
Inner tie rods - £15
Outer tie rods - £18
Bottom ball joints - £45
So about another £80
£235 aint bad for a brand spanking new steering setup, it feels like a different car, very tight!
Cheers Phil
I edited my post there before you replied, I realised it was the middle plug after I posted.
My looped cup rack will stay, no thanks to removing another Clio subframe, not for a while anyway.
It appears you only need the top section, the collapsable lower column is a removable part that can be swapped.
edit: yeah my racecar has everything brand new throughout in Genuine Renault or r-sport parts so mine should be pin sharp come racing time.
I edited my post there before you replied, I realised it was the middle plug after I posted.
My looped cup rack will stay, no thanks to removing another Clio subframe, not for a while anyway.
It appears you only need the top section, the collapsable lower column is a removable part that can be swapped.
edit: yeah my racecar has everything brand new throughout in Genuine Renault or r-sport parts so mine should be pin sharp come racing time.
Are you sure???
Fred said that I could extend the cup column to meet that twingo rack but even with the column in the vice I couldn't get that bottom knuckle joint to slide at all - even with a hammer and pipe grips
The 1.2 16v column I got you can slide the bottom knuckle easily
I'm not 100% convinced they are the same parts - though they do look the same
Fred said that I could extend the cup column to meet that twingo rack but even with the column in the vice I couldn't get that bottom knuckle joint to slide at all - even with a hammer and pipe grips
The 1.2 16v column I got you can slide the bottom knuckle easily
I'm not 100% convinced they are the same parts - though they do look the same
Almost certain, have a look at your DCI column they have a bolt to remove from the upper part just like they do for the connection to the rack. I'm pretty sure this setup can be fitted to mk1's right through to the 182 as the pick ups and positions appear to all be the same. Mk2 shell never changed much to the mk1 except the slam panel and rear suspension pick ups.
Ahh cool
I wouldn't like to try to get to that with the dash in place! Lol
I wouldn't like to try to get to that with the dash in place! Lol
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
On my cup column you couldn't split the top half from the shaft that connects to the rack. No chance whatsoever if this is what your referring to Swede cup.
The top half of a dci column will split and has the bolt your mentioning.
The top half of a dci column will split and has the bolt your mentioning.
Did you stick with the cup alternator bracket or do you run a renault 21 bracket? What belt have you used?
Cup alternator bracket
I want to run one of the lighter renault 21/volvo style brackets but I can't find one anywhere
Belt was stated in here mate
I want to run one of the lighter renault 21/volvo style brackets but I can't find one anywhere
Belt was stated in here mate
Cup alternator bracket
I want to run one of the lighter renault 21/volvo style brackets but I can't find one anywhere
Belt was stated in here mate
Apparently you can still get them from renault, I will report back if that is the case!
Cheers mate, didn't see that!
Oh sweet yeah if they still do them chuck the part number up mate
The cup bracket seems a bit overkill having that massive block of metal just for an alternator lol
The cup bracket seems a bit overkill having that massive block of metal just for an alternator lol
Just had a quick look and found this
And fits like this
Might be worth PM'ing wests renault to see if they're still available but they should be as they're used on R5's apparently
And fits like this
Might be worth PM'ing wests renault to see if they're still available but they should be as they're used on R5's apparently
Oh cool hadn't noticed that
£38 in bits then to lose my bulky bottom bracket. Might do that on pay day
£38 in bits then to lose my bulky bottom bracket. Might do that on pay day
Lol I worried the same thing when you first look at it - but you have to realise the belt that's touching it (return to crank ) is running right to left in that pic so the water pump is running anti-clockwise
If you look at the standard setup
It also will run anti clockwise as the top belt goes under it
If you look at the standard setup
It also will run anti clockwise as the top belt goes under it
No cause you are just swapping between an under and over for an over and under.
Ie it will still turn the opposite direction to the crank, as per normal.
And the alternator will still run the same direction as the crank as per normal.
If there is any "issue" with it at all its merely that it will be a lot easier for the water pump to not turn (ie the belt slip) due to a greatly reduced contact patch, but I cant see that mattering personally.
172 Race Car
£38!?! Fookin' hell. Thats £2 in a scrap yard if thatOh cool hadn't noticed that
£38 in bits then to lose my bulky bottom bracket. Might do that on pay day
Problem is finding them
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Yes mate that will be fine. Have you got the ecu with it as well??
Job's a good 'un
Job's a good 'un
I hope so
Pending sale of Saxo electric pas pump with one off billet CNC'd bracket with all pipework coming up for sale soon if this setup is to my liking, let me if anyone's interested.
len_beach
ClioSport Club Member
E92 M3,172 track car
Is it plug and play? How much?
len_beach
ClioSport Club Member
E92 M3,172 track car
Cleared buddy.
Wanna bet?
If you swap just the PAS pump for an EPAS column you aint saving weight at all
But if you swap the rack to a DCi one it weights nothing and the cup rack weighs a ton
I'll weigh it all this weekend but i'd say 12+kg on the cup rack, pipework, pas pump, column - and about 6-8kg back on
So it is lighter - just not by much lol
If you swap just the PAS pump for an EPAS column you aint saving weight at all
But if you swap the rack to a DCi one it weights nothing and the cup rack weighs a ton
I'll weigh it all this weekend but i'd say 12+kg on the cup rack, pipework, pas pump, column - and about 6-8kg back on
So it is lighter - just not by much lol
Am I the only one who didn't get the power to ECU plug with the black and red wires......
Yup LOL
I can't see a saving tbh Phil, the pipes weigh nothing, pump weighs near nothing and the rack isn't that heavy. I will keep my rack anyway as its sturdier IMO.
That epas column is easily 12-15kg by itself with the ECU and I don't have the lower part yet. Simplicity was my reason for fitting and the variable feature.
Pete call your local scrapyard, most places I enquired about the column they said they had no use for the wiring.
That epas column is easily 12-15kg by itself with the ECU and I don't have the lower part yet. Simplicity was my reason for fitting and the variable feature.
Pete call your local scrapyard, most places I enquired about the column they said they had no use for the wiring.
The PAS rack weighs a lot more than the DCi rack
I can pick the DCi rack up with my little finger
I'll weigh them this weekend as they're all now lying around in my garage
I can pick the DCi rack up with my little finger
I'll weigh them this weekend as they're all now lying around in my garage
