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Just test drove a 182 Trophy...Renault Burnley
Completely agree. V6 vs Trophy is another topic altogether, but 172 vs Trophy is not.
V6 vs Trophy is like WRX vs Evo: different things to different people and purel subjective. It is not like 172 vs. Trophy which is more akin to 996 C2 vs 996 C4S.
Although V6 is a two seater car...
The V6s also seem to hold their value well but to be honest I will not pass judgement as I don't know the facts.There are a couple of Trophy owners with V6s - I wonder what they think? A real tough one.
Cheers
O.
It's very simple: you can either afford it or you can't. If someone has £12k to spend on a car I doubt they'd take a 172 over a Trophy. It is only because they can't comfortably afford the Trophy (as in having spare cash to buy and run it) that a justification is made to have a 172. At the end of the day there is not much to suggest a 172 cup is better than a Trophy. It is only a perception of money. If you can afford a Trophy you'd buy it over a 172. If you can't then you'd say that the Trophy isn't worth the extra money (i.e. you don't have the extra spare cash to spend, and if you did you can see it going to better things, i.e. you don't have a comfortable £12k just for a used car).
It's like saying that a 996 C2 is almost as good as a 996 C4S and the C4S isn't worth the extra £10k for a wide body, better brakes and 4WD. But if you've got the £10k spare you're going to buy the better car, aren't you? If on the other hand you have the £10k but it is a toss up to put down a deposit on a house versus no house and a C4S, well, then the C4S isn't worth the extra £10k. But if you can afford it you just buy the better car (C4S) and be done with it!
The argument can be applied to almost any more expensive model in the range, but those that can afford it buy the best. Evo 260? Yes if you can't afford a 340. BMW 325? Yes if you can't afford a 335. It is always the same - you can either afford the more expensive car or you just end up making a case for why it is 'not worth the extra'. Well, someone is going to buy it, becuase they can.
Sorry, it may look like I'm on a mission here... I don't want to come across as being a mean grumpy sod!!! :quiet::lolup: :evil:
O.
I totally agree with all of that. If you have, or are prepared to pay the extra from 1*2 to Trophy you most likely would, apart from one point....the colour, some like it some don't.
For me personally, I did have the money and the choice, but chose the cheaper car and some off the mortgage, as I prefer the Monaco Blue over the caspian red. I totally understand the car, and would not slate it, because as g40steve said, 20 minutes is not enough to fully test the car, and that is what I had. Choices....without them life would be boring!
Cheers - I am happy the post didn't come across the wrong way.
At the end of the day it is the same thing for me. I really wanted a 996 when I bought the Trophy but I was in the middle of a house purchase. The 996 was out of reach, or 'not worth the extra money' (i.e. it has an opportunity cost).
However it is undoubtedly the better car, and if you can afford it there is no reason not to. At the time I couldn't, so I didn't.
As you say it is all about choices and priorities!
O.
Just saying if he is looking at V6's he can afford a Trophy,wasnt comparing Trophy with V6's.
Hehehe... I think I've contribute my years worth of personal opinion so I will keep quiet now. :quiet::quiet::quiet::quiet:
Also worth pointing out that the comment that got me going was the comment by fuel_slut - not the original poster of this thread who I know can buy the better car!
O.
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Your mortgage can fund your car; your car can't fund your house
Plus, you'll struggle to finance your car cheaper than on the back of a mortgage... Although when the mad market will slow down is anyones guess. Madness! :clown:
O.
Who says my house is on mortgage?
Assumptions my friend...If you re-read my post you'll see that what I suggested was the cheapest way to finance your car if not paying outright...
O.
Who says my house is on mortgage?
If you re-read my post you'll see that what I suggested was the cheapest way to finance your car if not paying outright...
O.
O, I'm gonna agree with you again! Mortgage is the cheapest way to buy, as long as you do not borrow it over a longer term than the personal loan/finance would be over. In other words....you have to have financial common sense. Sadly alot of people do the borrowing, then trade the car in, borrow more even before the first one has been paid for.
Fair enough although you don't see the colour when you're driving it...
The Boxsters seem to hold their value OK but the pre-facelifted 986s have really lost ground to the facelifted 986s and now seem to be sitting at less than 40% of the original purchase price. The smart money has to be on a 993, but then you don't have the opportunity for a warranty as you would a 996 on extended OPC warranty. It's a dilemma that is close to my heart :S
Who says my house is on mortgage?
If you re-read my post you'll see that what I suggested was the cheapest way to finance your car if not paying outright...
O.
O, I'm gonna agree with you again! Mortgage is the cheapest way to buy, as long as you do not borrow it over a longer term than the personal loan/finance would be over. In other words....you have to have financial common sense. Sadly alot of people do the borrowing, then trade the car in, borrow more even before the first one has been paid for.
Here is a post I put up on ClioTrophy a while ago for a fellow member.... It was about buying a new car or using the money for a deposit on a property...
Warning to j.jack: if you don't have codeine to-hand you'd better stop reading here!
I don't want to be responsible for the increase in wet flannel prices... =====
Firstly - you should be aiming to finance your car through your property if you are not buying it outright. I dread the thought of financing a car 'as-is'... what a bad investment of the money!
To do this, you need to get the equity into the property.
My advice is to put the money into the property and take the hit for a year. Next year have the property re-valued to assess the capital gain. Take this capital gain as a guarantee for the extra loan on the capital, but take it as an interest only loan. Providing the market remains buoyant, you're using the extra equity of the property to finance an interest only loan on your car - something you could not do ordinarily (i.e. personal loan). Needless to say this remains a negligible amount over 25 years and assuming the property will continue to appreciate thus giving you the car ‘for free’ (the opportunity cost being you don’t use the equity for another investment – e.g. a deposit on a another unit, buy-to-let for example). This is the hardest decision in my experience – deciding to use the extra equity for a car or as another deposit!
This method of positive gearing will help you leverage the value later on. The risk, of course, is that the property market starts to slow and you don't realise a capital gain on the property on which you were dependant on the re-finance for. I've seen this happen before and personally I know family members who have lost circa 10% on their property over a 20 year period to the current year (industrial property in Singapore). Nothing is ever for sure, but if you don't risk you won't gain.
As always you should speak to a financial adviser but I expect an opinion similar to this. You’ll also need to consider the terms and conditions of the lender: some lenders won’t release the equity unless you reach the end of the fixed term and re-mortgage (will vary depending on your chosen mortgage option and provider).
Happy investing
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Cheers
O.
106 GTi
Fair enough although you don't see the colour when you're driving it...
I knew you Trophy boys where using that line about the nasty rear seats, using it on the poor exterior colour now too!
clio sport 172 cup
hia mate who did you say done your remap,and how can i contact him!
Fair enough although you don't see the colour when you're driving it...
I knew you Trophy boys where using that line about the nasty rear seats, using it on the poor exterior colour now too!
If they produced the Trophy in Black I would have bought one.
I can cope with the rear seats as I'm never in the back of my own car, never really understood why Renault decided to make Trophys in Red. Apart from making them stand out.
possibily
i dont boot my cup unless its at the usual halfway on temperature
this was so i presumed it would be the same...
can i just point out to all those on here that have approached this from the COMPLETLY WRONG ANGLE (particulary)
I could afford the trophy. I could afford to buy the trophy without even trading mine in. And run them both if i really wanted to.
WHat this topic was about, is that it didnt seem (from my all be it relativly short test drive) that it was a big enough "leap" upwards in speed, comfort, extras etc from my current cup.
Where as if i upgrade to a V6, then i get, speed, extra, looks, and just the fact its a v6.
I am sure (like i even said in my first post) that if i got the trophy and modded it like i have modded mine (Full Decat, induction and remap) then it would be better than my cup but i just couldnt justify it, as in i dont think it would still even be a bigger leap up.
MY last leap was a 1.2 billabong to the cup, cup to a trophy doesnt have the same ring to it....
Hence why i am looking at v6's
I could afford the trophy. I could afford to buy the trophy without even trading mine in. And run them both if i really wanted to.
WHat this topic was about, is that it didnt seem (from my all be it relativly short test drive) that it was a big enough "leap" upwards in speed, comfort, extras etc from my current cup.
Where as if i upgrade to a V6, then i get, speed, extra, looks, and just the fact its a v6.
I am sure (like i even said in my first post) that if i got the trophy and modded it like i have modded mine (Full Decat, induction and remap) then it would be better than my cup but i just couldnt justify it, as in i dont think it would still even be a bigger leap up.
MY last leap was a 1.2 billabong to the cup, cup to a trophy doesnt have the same ring to it....
Hence why i am looking at v6's
Megane 225 Cup | 106 GTi
Your obviously under the impression that a V6 is a whole load quicker than the Trophy?
I have news for you my friend
I have news for you my friend
Megane 225 Cup | 106 GTi
Maybe I mis-interpretted the post?
It is actually a mid mounted (exactly the same as the V6) 6 litre twin-turbo W12 sending out 641hp and 553lb of torque. In a Golf...! I think it will remain a concept but you never know if VW will tone it down a bit and slot a V6 instead into it. Could be interesting...
Here is the official VW pic:
Some more info including video footage: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/17/worthersee-2007-vw-shows-off-monster-golf-gti-w12-650-concept/
Sorry, hijacked....
O.
Gaz_
ClioSport Club Member
Extreme mode
I could have purchaced a Trophy when i sold my 172 Cup, but opted for a cupped 182 in Black Gold. The colour really put me off tbh, did nothing for me. Set of H&R's, job done on mine. I already have the recaros, only thing i now lack is the turinis. Its such a shame they came in this colour. If it was white though......... mmmmmmmmmm it would have been a different story
106 GTi
I was ready to chop my Black Gold in a soon as the realised the Trophy till I saw the colour.
On the subject of what a Trophy will be worth in a few years time, has anyone had a quote price to get the Sachs stuff refurbed when they wear out? Also H&R's v the Sachs stuff on track was mentioned earlier but even on the road a H&R'd 182 seemed to ride better and feel better damped.
Before I get flamed for being a Trophy hater yes they are the current Pinnacle of the Clio and still the Benchmark Hot Hatch, but why why why Red Renault ? (and btw I can see the colour of my bonnet when I drive my car)
On the subject of what a Trophy will be worth in a few years time, has anyone had a quote price to get the Sachs stuff refurbed when they wear out? Also H&R's v the Sachs stuff on track was mentioned earlier but even on the road a H&R'd 182 seemed to ride better and feel better damped.
Before I get flamed for being a Trophy hater yes they are the current Pinnacle of the Clio and still the Benchmark Hot Hatch, but why why why Red Renault ? (and btw I can see the colour of my bonnet when I drive my car)
BMW M4; S1000 RR
BMW M4; S1000 RR
PS.
Considering it's the same engine, with a slightly different exhaust (and heavier) why did you expect it to be noticably quicker at all ??
I doubt you could do anything to a Cup (bar turning it into a track car) to keep up with a stock Trophy on a track.
Considering it's the same engine, with a slightly different exhaust (and heavier) why did you expect it to be noticably quicker at all ??
I doubt you could do anything to a Cup (bar turning it into a track car) to keep up with a stock Trophy on a track.
MINI JCW
The old Evo thing, I have never read as much crap in my life as i read during that issue.
Look at it another way the M5 lapped top gears track in 1.26, 182 did it in 1.34 so lets knock half a sec off for the trophy (not that it would be half a sec quicker as it was slower round evos track than a 182 cup) but still.
So 7.5 secs slower a lap!! Wake up and smell the roses, the trophy is good but lets not get carried away
Look at it another way the M5 lapped top gears track in 1.26, 182 did it in 1.34 so lets knock half a sec off for the trophy (not that it would be half a sec quicker as it was slower round evos track than a 182 cup) but still.
So 7.5 secs slower a lap!! Wake up and smell the roses, the trophy is good but lets not get carried away
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
It is so down to who's driving now dan.You've hit the nail on the head.
In the last 4-5 years its a little sad how little the clio sport marque has moved on .Its piss poor tbh.
Maybe they will shift the goalposts one day and do a turbo verson like a lot of competition are doing,but for me the clio hasnt shifted one bit since the clio 172 cup.Superb car
ian
In the last 4-5 years its a little sad how little the clio sport marque has moved on .Its piss poor tbh.
Maybe they will shift the goalposts one day and do a turbo verson like a lot of competition are doing,but for me the clio hasnt shifted one bit since the clio 172 cup.Superb car
ian
Guess it varies from car to car (in relation to difference between Cup and Trophy).
I test drove at Trophy at the same Burnley Kitchens, its far superior than my current Cup or any other Cliosport i'd driven. Maybe because i come from a Pug Rallye i noticed how the Trophy suspension was so superior to the 172 Cup one.
I test drove at Trophy at the same Burnley Kitchens, its far superior than my current Cup or any other Cliosport i'd driven. Maybe because i come from a Pug Rallye i noticed how the Trophy suspension was so superior to the 172 Cup one.
