MK1 2.0 16v Turbo

[Justin_16vT]

what cc are the R21 injectors that usaully get used then ?

 

[Waitey]

I'd guess 320ish.

Just depends how much you want to push them. I've got a friend running 320cc inj's at 98%. To get 220bhp.

Although some of the audi lot say they are running 280bhp on 330's.....

Most mappers would like to see them running under 80%.

Also depends what your ecu can run. Some will only cope up to 320cc.

 

[Mark One]

go 440cc Then your good for about 280 (by my limited experience in this field)

 

[Waitey]

That sounds about right.

 

[sideways danny]

go 440cc Then your good for about 280 (by my limited experience in this field)

440s should do about 330bhp without maxing

 

[sideways danny]

Although some of the audi lot say they are running 280bhp on 330's.....

Audis 1.8 20v runs 5 bar fuel pressure as standard IIRC

I ran 294.1bhp on 370s at 2.5bar fuel pressure in my s13. Injectors were maxed to f**k though

 

[clio111]

wow what a build

will be insane when its finished

 

[Justin_16vT]

Not much happening lately.
few recent pics for y'all

some new gauges

 

[JON13S]

that looks batty... i love it lol

 

[fani]

nice, real nice work on this car !

 

[Mark One]

Just checkin up on this epic thread.
Loving the progress

What you waiting on atm?

 

[Justin_16vT]

money is the main thing, kinda run out at the mo!


not really waiting on anything at the mo but need to buy some vacuum pipe to plumb in the waste gate & the dump valve. also some more hose clips for some water pipes that still need clamping. then i need to finish the exhaust and sort out the ecu side of things.

 

[.J.a.m.e.s.]

looking really good, i dunno how people do this lol - so complicated

 

[birgiro]

nice ,

what ems are u using?

 

[Justin_16vT]

stock ecu mapped to suit. looking to use an aftermarket set up next year if the stock ecu parameters are insufficient

 

[ChrisD172]

Read the whole thread. what a build, hats off to you matey, keep it up to date

 

[Adams_16v]

With regards to injectors, I am using TT/S3 330cc injectors. They are good for up to around 300bhp max so i believe!

Good thread, look forward to more updates!

 

[_Tom]

330's would be fine. Thats what i ran on my Glanza and i could have used them on a TD04 setup so more than enough i'd think.

 

[Mark One]

With regards to injectors, I am using TT/S3 330cc injectors. They are good for up to around 300bhp max so i believe!

Good thread, look forward to more updates!

as far as i was aware the 1.8 20vT Vag unit in 225bhp form (TT/S3/Cupra) comes with 440cc fitted?
I was under the impression that the 440cc were good for 300bhp/just over.

 

[Adams_16v]

Hmm I've just had a look around the net and found this info...

386cc @ 3bar. Bosch p/n: 0 280 156 064

I'm sure I read the other day the TT ones are 330cc but I could have been mistaken.

 

[Mark One]

yeah ^ i've since found the same information mate. PPC mislead me

 

[Dickie_172_cup]

thats a fuckin nailer m8.nice one

 

[cat171]

I've just read all ten pages, carcking stuff I love good projects, yours is fantastic

I did laugh at some of the randoms & their random questions though, typing before you think ftl !

Keep it up, it's going to be mad when it hits the street

 

[Justin_16vT]

Bought some new brakes to fit instead of the hi-specs (main reason being future cost of parts is cheaper) and will be using RS 280mm discs instead of the 300mm bells and rotors

I introduce some 406 V6 Brembo's!! a few pics to show them next to the billet 4's

 

[*Danny*]

great thread mate should be a weapon once finished, them brakes shold stop you fast enough

 

[FlansS14]

Audis 1.8 20v runs 5 bar fuel pressure as standard IIRC

No no no Std Vag 20v's have 3bar fpr and some people fit 4bar ones. Remember that when boost is created it puts more pressure on the fpr and therefore more fuel preasure.

also

"As a rough guide to power output, take the injector flow in cc/min and divide by 5 then multiply by the number of injectors.

Example: 220cc/min divide by 5 = 44 x 4 injectors = 176bhp"

Dave Walker quote.


Ps love the thread.. looks a tidy conv there mate and very factory too.

But if you can find a better place for the filter if you can

Flan

 

[sideways danny]

No no no Std Vag 20v's have 3bar fpr and some people fit 4bar ones. Remember that when boost is created it puts more pressure on the fpr and therefore more fuel preasure.

the extra pressure put behind the FPR is simply to compensate for the fact there's pressure in the manifold that would otherwise hold back the fuel in the injectors. This means that a 3 bar FPR with a vac/pressure feed will run 3 bar over manifold pressure no matter what pressure is in the plenum. You get extra pressure, but not extra fuel

 

[Christopher]

Mental stuff!

Attention to detail is spot on, too!

 

[Mark One]

loving the new brakes. Was wondering how you were going to stop this powerhouse car.

I take it the 406 brembos are going to require some custom brackets made up?


FPR lads, is that - Fuel Pressure Rail ??

 

[Justin_16vT]

No no no Std Vag 20v's have 3bar fpr and some people fit 4bar ones. Remember that when boost is created it puts more pressure on the fpr and therefore more fuel preasure.

also

"As a rough guide to power output, take the injector flow in cc/min and divide by 5 then multiply by the number of injectors.

Example: 220cc/min divide by 5 = 44 x 4 injectors = 176bhp"

Dave Walker quote.


Ps love the thread.. looks a tidy conv there mate and very factory too.

But if you can find a better place for the filter if you can

Flan

cheers. going to relocate the filter to the scuttle area maybe, or move the battery and put it there as iwant a MK1 Clio Maxi bonnet vent.

loving the new brakes. Was wondering how you were going to stop this powerhouse car.

I take it the 406 brembos are going to require some custom brackets made up?


FPR lads, is that - Fuel Pressure Rail ??

406 brembo's bolt right onto the mk1 clio hub. just need a washer to centralise the caliper on the disc


FPR - fuel pressure regulator

 

[Justin_16vT]

Little update


Got the fat f*****s bolted up with the RS clio discs

done a bit of work on the wastgate side of things too but no pics for that

 

[*Danny*]

that looks epic mate, should be a weapon once finished

 

[mini-valver]

What hole spacing do the 406 calipers use? I take it the hole spacing for mk1 and mk2 (except RS) brake is the same as the 16v mk2's use Williams/valver brakes...?

 

[Chrisjk]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-406-C...ryZ10406QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Do it Dave.

 

[mini-valver]

If they bolt on

 

[ChrisD172]

Would brembo brakes bolt on to an RS clio?

 

[ashy_gtt]

Nice calipers, what discs are you using with them?

 

[Christopher]

Mint!

 

[Justin_16vT]

What hole spacing do the 406 calipers use? I take it the hole spacing for mk1 and mk2 (except RS) brake is the same as the 16v mk2's use Williams/valver brakes...?

i dont know anything about mk 2 non RS brakes, but i heard they're the same as 1.8/2.0 mk1 fitment ? if thats true then they should fit the lower spec mk2's


the 406 calipers fit straight on the mk1 hub, just needs a 3mm washer to centralise the caliper on the disc

Would brembo brakes bolt on to an RS clio?

Not unless you had brackets made

Nice calipers, what discs are you using with them?

Mk2 clio sport discs - 280mm

 

[f0xy]

yes dave they would fit, same hub caliper spacing on 1.2/1.4/1.6 MK2 clio as the MK1 1.8/2.0 as said.....get it done!