T. Turbo is back

[Adey.]

Wanted to see if the kangoo could keep with it on way back from csf. Shez said no and next thing shes off like f**k in it. Oldskool racer tricks

shadey tactics, id watch out for her tbh

ps don't tell her I said that, I value my kneecaps

did the van real it back in though?...

 

[Brigsy]

shadey tactics, id watch out for her tbh

ps don't tell her I said that, I value my kneecaps

did the van real it back in though?...

By the time id realised she was on it, she was too far away to even bother putting foot down 🤣

 

[Brigsy]

So lets get the ball rolling.

We are going back, way back from when i was a member of the Renault Turbo Owners Club forum (Rtoc) which was mostly for R5gtt's, i believe a few of you were members back in the day. This is where i first read about this Trophy, around 2008-09 iirc, Steve used to post as Speedy on there from memory. Its all a bit hazy but i recall his regular updates and improvements being posted, the car was running a forged engine, standalone ecu, log manifold with garrett gt series turbo, and made good power 330 ish then going up to 370ish.

I was more of a R5gtt fan at the time and just classed this as another modern car that i couldnt afford on limited wages, but appreciated the development and power it made, as it was leagues ahead of the shitey 1.4 turbo carburettor engines that i was working on and tuning. Injection looked like a black art to me and i was still of the oldskool carburettor tuning via screwdriver and drill bits for the jets.

A pic of the car from the early years possibly downloaded from here, on the original turini's.

Around that time the Rtoc national days were at Mallory park, i seen the car on them days and out on track. It can be seen in this pic on the left hand side, one car away from Extra van. Chris Blight's RB clio next to it iirc.

Im sure i have a pic of it on track somewhere as i used to take my dslr to the track and snap a few pics back then. Id have never thought that a decade later, it would be sharing the same garage as my Extra van.

A few years go by and we had bought the meg 225, had flirted with buying a couple of nice 182's as they were on the radar. Turbo power was always preferred so the 225 took preference over n/a 182, which was my introduction to the modern Renaultsports and the F4R engine. Was frightened to get balls deep in it and got the cambelt done by a specialist, but was getting stuck in fixing the other bits, doing the swivel bearings etc.

Around 2015 i done a guide on replacing swivel bearings for the megane rs on TurboRenault as we had all moved over there. Steve had a megane r26 at that point and got in touch for info on how to do them. From then on we kept in touch and seen him at Croft, arranged local curry nights and the like. I then went on to purchase my orange clio dci in 2016 and the Kangoo 172 in 2017, so was always raiding his parts stash for bits to keep that going. Dci was a firm favourite and i was enjoying it, and thought a 172/182 would be a nice upgrade on the pov spec dci.

I had seen the Trophy sat in his garage looking awesome. The Red Rocket, aka T.Turbo (or sometimes called Red Shed when it was broken). Bit of a unicorn as low mileage of 43k and one owner from new. 440hp and all the trick bits under the bonnet but still looking relatively stock on the outside apart from lowering and speedline 2118's.

2017 we went to the Nurburgring as a large group and i had my "Jonguard" moment when i put the meg 225 into the barrier and Steve and the group took the piss out of it for ages Shortly after the trip i had to go to Scotland to pick up a megane rs bumper to replace the one id smashed, and dropped Steves engine hoist off at his en route in the Kangoo.

The clio rarely moved at that point, id never seen it move out of the garage, as he had a new m140i to use daily. It was a nice dry day and he offered to get the clio out for a quick blast to show us what the clio was about. Me and Shez were well up for that and he took us for an ride out, performance was unreal even with all 3 of us in it. 440hp burying the speedo with ease (on private roads of course) quickest clio ive ever been in by far. Serious bit of kit and well put together.

Snapped a couple of pics on the day.

The engine bay at that point.

Tested the water at that point and asked if he wanted to sell it as was so impressed with the performance and excellent condition. Flirted around a price but he didnt want to sell, so thought that was that.

Shez was gutted as she really wanted it, as she loves the clio's after having a ph1 1.2 for first car. Also wanted a 250 cup so shortly after we bought Yel cup and that was that! Or was it?!

To be continued..

 

[Chris205]

Lovely to see this go on. Havent seen Steve for a few years now, when you next see him, let him know I hope he's doing well.

As for the trophy, for years we went back and forth about the build on this car, the trials and tribulations of building something nobody else had attempted. A really well looked after motor and absolutely no expense spared. When my cup is done I'll try get along to a NE meet and see this in the flesh

 

[Owen]

Looked great in person @Brigsy, but I’d expect nothing less from you.

Let me know if you want the thread title updated (which I don’t think you can do not being the OP) 👍

 

[Christopher]

Well. Holy f*ck. 🤌

Lovely!

 

[Stefan.]

Yeah this was properly nice in person.

And nothing gave it away that it was turbocharged. Only when the bonnet went up, it was certainly a suprise.

 

[Cub.]

It’s lovely and a real credit to you.

 

[frayz]

First Clio turbo ive seen that looks like a genuinely proper job. Twinscroll with dual gates, proper manifold and management as it should be. Love it

 

[Clio.lee]

Sebimotorsport sort of let this out of the bag on an insta post a while ago. Looking forward to reading the rest of the updates

 

[Brigsy]

Lovely to see this go on. Havent seen Steve for a few years now, when you next see him, let him know I hope he's doing well.

As for the trophy, for years we went back and forth about the build on this car, the trials and tribulations of building something nobody else had attempted. A really well looked after motor and absolutely no expense spared. When my cup is done I'll try get along to a NE meet and see this in the flesh

Cheers mate. Im going to catch up with Steve at some point soon hopefully, hes currently working abroad. The R&D he put into this to make it all work nice is insane especially in the early days when nobody was going turbo, no corners have been cut. Give us a shout when yours is on the road, get a few of the locals out for a meet up.

Looked great in person @Brigsy, but I’d expect nothing less from you.

Let me know if you want the thread title updated (which I don’t think you can do not being the OP) 👍

Cheers mate much appreciated yes updated thread title would be nice - T. Turbo is back

Well. Holy f*ck. 🤌

Lovely!

Yeah this was properly nice in person.

And nothing gave it away that it was turbocharged. Only when the bonnet went up, it was certainly a suprise.

It’s lovely and a real credit to you.

Cheers for the feedback gents, its much appreciated. Its been a long old winter in the garage putting it together, and really enjoyed taking it to CSF with it being the first one post covid.

First Clio turbo ive seen that looks like a genuinely proper job. Twinscroll with dual gates, proper manifold and management as it should be. Love it

Cheers mate. The exhaust manifold is a nice bit of kit, Nortech have done an awesome job. The runners are not totally equal length so it has an offbeat sound like an old renault5gtt, never heard another f4r sound like it.

It runs great on ecumaster, dash works as oem no warning lights etc, drives fantastic even on 980cc injectors so perfect for street use. Mpg is great with the 6 speed ndo box when cruising at 70mph on the motorways. The run out to Leeds then Blyton and home was approx 277 miles and around 1/4 of a tank of fuel is left from full, which is great with the current price of fuel.

Sebimotorsport sort of let this out of the bag on an insta post a while ago. Looking forward to reading the rest of the updates

Sebi is class, he was a massive help with the remote base map so i could run the engine in with no dramas. I was half expecting it to end up on every page going with the pics of it on my drive next to the Kangoo, but managed to keep off the radar.

 

[Coops Mk1]

look at the RTOC national day pic! GTT was still alive back then.....sniff sniff

 

[Brigsy]

look at the RTOC national day pic! GTT was still alive back then.....sniff sniff

Any GTT updates? Was epic back in the day with the turbo lump.

 

[Renny 5]

look at the RTOC national day pic! GTT was still alive back then.....sniff sniff

I’d like to see this running again 🥺 have a lot of memories of you and Afro Dan back in the good ol’days 👨🏼‍🦳

 

[Renny 5]

Just as an FYI, you'll get more inlet advance using a 197 dephaser pulley.

Also, would it not be more worthwhile running a 1*2 exhaust cam instead of the 197 item? It's a real minefield speccing cams for turbo motors!

Is this something that would be advantageous for standard 172 cams on Grp N timing??

 

[NorthloopCup]

Is this something that would be advantageous for standard 172 cams on Grp N timing??

Nah mate. The Grp n stuff is tried and tested too buddy.

The mk3 motors ran a similar cam timing trick to the mk2 Grp n, but you had to change one of the cams in the mk3 to get the results. They also didn’t alter the inlet cam position. It was all about the exhaust cam on that.

 

[Renny 5]

Nah mate. The Grp n stuff is tried and tested too buddy.

The mk3 motors ran a similar cam timing trick to the mk2 Grp n, but you had to change one of the cams in the mk3 to get the results. They also didn’t alter the inlet cam position. It was all about the exhaust cam on that.

Ok mate 👍🏼 I saw you did a 182 on jenveys and Grp N ages ago and tried to get similar results in my 5 once the ITB’s were fitted. I was a few hp’s and ftlb down from your figures and wondered if that was why?? Still managed to get 150ftlb at 3700rpm though.

 

[Flat Eric]

I recall seeing this at BTM back in the day when mine was in for some work

 

[Coops Mk1]

Any GTT updates? Was epic back in the day with the turbo lump.

Update is it's fucked and needs muchos welding, so back burner till about 2040 maybe, flol

I’d like to see this running again 🥺 have a lot of memories of you and Afro Dan back in the good ol’days 👨🏼‍🦳

I know mate, was a mint era back then.... Time she waits for no man though

 

[NorthloopCup]

Ok mate 👍🏼 I saw you did a 182 on jenveys and Grp N ages ago and tried to get similar results in my 5 once the ITB’s were fitted. I was a few hp’s and ftlb down from your figures and wondered if that was why?? Still managed to get 150ftlb at 3700rpm though.

I only supplied the tool mate. That 182 was running a 172 big exhaust port head as well, so may have had some influence on figures.

I didn’t even know what to expect from Grp with itbs, but it didn’t do to bad for itself tbf.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Good to see it alive and well!

 

[Ricardos]

look at the RTOC national day pic! GTT was still alive back then.....sniff sniff

They were brilliant days, pretty much how I met all the friends I still have now. Helping repair GT Turbos then a curry afterwards, trackdays, rolling road days. The amount of cars that would turn up to organised events like the RR days were amazing.

I think it was 2005-6 when I came back in GT Turbo ownership in a clean Tungy with Raider seats, bar that and a Scorpion it was completely standard. I rocked up to a Southend seafront meet and the rest is history. Back then people would drive down from the Midlands to meet up and there would be hundreds of cars all lined up along the seafront.

RTOC days at Mallory, Rockingham, camping over getting battered, first trip to the Nurburbring in 2007 with a dozen GTs.

Good days 😊😎

 

[Brigsy]

Awesome times back then @Ricardos cant believe how fast time has gone. On the plus side like last weekend at CSF the good times are still rolling albeit older and in modern renaultsports😁

I recall seeing this at BTM back in the day when mine was in for some work

I believe it was at Freds for ages when Steve was living down Nottingham, possibly after it was in Nortech for a year or so getting the manifolds made up. I think the 3" exhaust was done by btm/yozza.

Good to see it alive and well!

Cheers mate, took quite a bit of recomissioning but we are getting there.

 

[Flat Eric]

Awesome times back then @Ricardos cant believe how fast time has gone. On the plus side like last weekend at CSF the good times are still rolling albeit older and in modern renaultsports😁


I believe it was at Freds for ages when Steve was living down Nottingham, possibly after it was in Nortech for a year or so getting the manifolds made up. I think the 3" exhaust was done by btm/yozza.

Cheers mate, took quite a bit of recomissioning but we are getting there.

Ye was there for a while, I met Steve once before when I was there and we was chatting about the car etc.
I'd forgotten about it until seeing it at weekend and when you posted saying it was this car it all clicked.

 

[Brigsy]

Small diversion off the thread, before i do another large update.

Current spec of the car to the best of my knowledge.

Engine/Fuel system

Megane 250 block, custom J.E. forged pistons (around 8.3:1 with 197 head iirc, id need Steve to confirm).
Catcams conrods, balanced crank and rotating assembly. Block prepared by AMAC, including hone and decked to suit.
Arp hardware, head studs etc.

Ported 197 head done by AMAC in Northallerton, with larger Supertech valves, double valve springs (catcams?) and titanium retainers.

197 inlet cam, 182 exhaust cam using 197 vvt setup. Timing currently set to stock.

Custom Nortech inlet plenum with internal trumpets, centre fed Bosch motorsport DBW throttle. Inlet/head is dowelled to locate perfectly on the head.

Custom Nortech exhaust manifold to suit twin scroll turbo with 2x 38mm tial external wastegates for each pair of runners, venting back into the downpipe. Egt sensors per cylinder. Ceratec coated.

Garrett gtx3071 gen1 .82 twin scroll turbine housing. K&N air filter.

Intercooler/pipework is custom by Nortech, intercooler is bar and plate garrett core rated to 600hp iirc.

Direnza radiator, Mtc silicone hoses and 12" Comex high flow cfm fan. All shrouding fitted correctly to force air through rad and intercooler.

3" custom turbo back exhaust with 2x sliencers, 2.5" slash cut tips for discreet look. Possibly made by Btm/yozza would need to confirm.

Ecumaster black standalone ecu, on my own custom engine bay wiring harness. 980cc bosch motorsport long pintle injectors (flowmatched), running full sequential injection and 197 vvt on pwm so full scope of 40deg inlet advance available.

Audi R8 coilpacks and Ngk Bkr8eix plugs gapped to 0.7mm.

Egt per cylinder using Ecumaster egt to can module. Oil pressure/temp, fuel pressure/temp, wideband 02, dbw throttle and various other essential sensors all feeding back to the ecu. Mac valve plumbed in for boost control, 4x separate boost settings on potentiometer fitted in car via Ecumaster can switchboard for expansion.

Ecumaster edl1 data logger fitted in glovebox logging all ecu parameters onto sd card, and bluetooth, which displays all gauges via canbus on an android tablet or phone.

All connected up to the oem clio 250kb baudrate canbus syetem so oem dash works nice. No warning lights present, dash works as oem, stock engine ecu fully removed.

1.5ltr swirl pot fitted in boot with Bosch 044 fuel pump, sytec fuel filter, turbosmart fpr 1200 fuel pressure regulator.

-6an ptfe lines fitted front to back as return system, oem pump used for lift pump for swirl pot.

Battery relocated in boot using 50mm2 wiring from memory, maxi fuse fitted in boot, bulkhead connector and distribution block fitted in engine bay. Optima Redtop battery fitted in billet alloy tray.

Transmission/running gear

Megane r26 NDO box with gripper diff, oem megane 6 speed shifter and cables.

Clio v6 pedal box and reservior for meg hydraulic clutch.

Custom motorsport driveshafts for meg NDO to clio fit. (poss made by Dave Mac?) Made to flex under extreme conditions to take some strain off the transmission.

Ttv megane r26 smf flywheel, Helix 6 paddle clutch and pressure plate.

Vibratechnics engine mounts and custom dogbone torque mount made by Nortech.

Bilstein B14 coilovers.

Clio 2 epas conversion/column on looped 182 rack.

Whiteline rear arb.

Front subframe seam welded and powdercoated.

Track control arms fitted with PMS strengthening plates and powdercoated. Both tca's and arb polybushed with powerflex bushes.

Renaultsport steel sump guard powdercoated black.

Northloopcup roll correction kit. Front geo currently set at -2.5deg camber and 10 mins of toe out overall.

Wilwood jamsport 4 pot brake kit up front with Reyland 2 piece discs and Ferodo DS1:11 front pads, Motul RBF 600 fluid.

Larger diameter piston brake master cylinder for sharper pedal feel, and custom braided pipework to re route the bulkhead brake pipes away from the turbo whilst retaining abs, and pipework to suit hydraulic clutch.

Speedline 2118 wheels in anthracite, et43, Toyo R888R tyres.

Interior

Recaro CS leather/alcantara seats up front on Jon foz subframes. Mint unmarked 182 rear split seats.

Snappy retrimmed steering wheel.

Clio V6 pedals.

Alpine stereo, focal components and crossovers, small alpine amp discreetly mounted behind dash.

Bodywork

Stock trophy as intended, wind deflectors.

Current power output

Currently mapped to 349hp/300ft/lb at 14psi due to issue with fuelling system (fuel line resonance) but should go high 400s once sorted. Low boost with wastegate pressure of 8psi gives around 270hp.

A couple of awesome pics took over the weekend many thanks for them @joshr53 @SharkyUK @Calamita

 

[Daz...]

This is just awesome tbh.

 

[Calamita]

It's absolute perfection!

Was great to see at CSF too. Looking forward to seeing it out and about a bit more too

 

[joshr53]

couldn’t not take a picture of it beautiful car mate

 

[Brigsy]

Thanks all 🙂 Will definitely be getting out and about in this in the dry weather, cant wait to use it and enjoy.

 

[Brigsy]

Now where were we?

So T.Trophy is off the cards at that moment for us and we have an itch for another car. We had been looking for the unicorn that is the extreme blue meg 250 cup, in low mileage with recaros etc. After being extremely messed about with a few examples (usual Bullshit, i want to sell but dont want to take your cash even though its over the odds price wise!?)

Anyway finally get a 32k fully loaded 250cup in sport yellow instead. Its a lovely car and does everything we chuck at it with ease. Unreal looking car but just did not love it as much as our mk2 megane rs225 for some reason. Miss it looking great sat on the drive sometimes.

Anyway back to it. Im still in regular contact with Steve and having the usual banter calling the Trophy red shed and asking if hes using it or just leaving it in the garage until kingdom come.

The running theme with the car is that he books a trackday to do in the Trophy and something breaks in the runup so it never goes. Croft booked and it pisses its gear oil out all over after a clutch slave swap the day before. Croft booked again, the optima redtop battery is fucked and barely holding charge, with the fitted tray cant just strap another battery in. Its raining heavy, so lights/blower/wipers on and it cuts out before Clervaux on the sightseeing lap which is a 100 yards or so out of the pit entrance so needs to be towed in. So another day over and a piss ripping from us for the tow of shame

It did make our local circuit Teesside Autodrome for a couple of hours on an evening session which i sadly missed.

Getting the occasional pic coming through of it sitting pretty. Note red r26 next to it that in coincidence i ended up breaking for parts for the Kangoo!

The Trophy is being used occasionally on the road by Steve. Getting updates on what higher end cars its seen off in the process, its going well at 440hp. Get an update one day saying the ndo gearbox has failed and its lost a couple of gears, 3rd & 4th gear iirc!

So next updates are the car has had a final wash and in the garage for repairs and upgrades aka T.Turbo 1.0

Last view of the old engine setup before stripdown.

On axle stands ready for work to commence. From memory this was late 2017/early 2018.

To be continued!!

 

[Brigsy]

Back to it.

In our group chat i was receiving regular updates about the strip down of the Trophy for the next evolution. I recall this was early 2018.

Parts coming off.

Large oil cooler and remote oil filter setup, with view of centre fed plenum.

Ndo gearbox sat in the bay.

One of the issues found on the stripdown, alt wire melted poss caused by loose connections or running the knackered battery causing large current draw. Bit naughty.

Checking things over.

Steve had told me a few issues that spoiled the refinement of the car, which had prompted the T.Turbo 1.0 rebuild and upgrades whilst gearbox change was needed.
A list of upgrades was made that were deemed necessary to improve the car.

The throttle needed attention. The current setup was a cable Jenvey item fitted to the Nortech inlet manifold. The throttle body cam profile mated with ph1 172 throttle pedal worked OK, but due to the throttle cam profile ratio of the jenvey vs pedal ratio, it made for a snappy short throttle pedal.

This put your ankle in a funny position when cruising at normal speeds using low throttle openings. The other issue was wear to the throttle body. Steve explored options enquiring about rebuilding the throttle and altering the cam profile for a less snappy, linear response which Jenvey could do, but at an expensive price.

Decisions were made and it was deemed best route to take was to modify the plenum and upgrade to DBW Bosch motorsport throttle. This was decided as dbw throttle opening vs throttle pedal position could be mapped to suit a nice linear response, and cold start idle could be taken care of via mapping as the current cable setup had no idle control valve. The engine would not idle without throttle from cold on the cable throttle due to this making it a bit of a pig to drive until warmed up.

Bosch motorsport throttle vs Jenvey.

Another issue was the dash was lit up like an xmas tree, with asr, serv, eml, electrical fault light on, the immobiliser red light of doom causing issues often. Usual clio s**t on standalone ecu to be fair. The current engine management setup had the original 182 ecu still fitted with a Typhoon Dominator2 ecu piggybacked in, to keep the immobilser and dash happy.

This caused a few issues. A few sensors were doubled up so the original dash cluster would work, i.e. original coolant temp sensor still fitted, and the dominator ecu needed its own coolant temp sensor fitted. This was fitted in the original place on the side of the head, and the coolant temp sensor for the dash was post thermostat, so no readings on the dash until stat had opened which was not ideal. This also caused a rats nest of wiring as it had 2x map sensors, one for standalone ecu, one for the Zeitronix boost/afr/egt setup.

This all needed to go for a single ecu and single sensors, binning the original engine ecu and s**t piggyback setup, simplifying wiring in the process with single engine sensors. To be fair the dominator ecu worked but was dated, better options were available ten years on.

Various ecu options were looked at, including pnp options me221, Gen90, and the option of rewiring the car and using an aftermarket digital dash in place of the oem dash cluster. All had pro's and cons and it was difficult to choose the right ecu.

At this time it was noted that the EcuMaster Black and Link ecu's supported the original dash via can wiring. The info was flakey at best on ecumaster about dash support, but ecumaster confirmed that clio2 was supported and the emublack would run rev counter, temp gauge ok via canbus. So the decision was made to to rip all the old shite wiring out and start with a fresh loom for the ecumaster, as it covered all requirements, had H Bridge for Dbw control, onboard wideband afr controller and lots of options for expansion if needed via can, cost vs spec was also good.

Another issue Steve told me about was the engine used a little more oil than he wanted it to. Its not uncommon for a forged engine to use a bit of oil, i think 1ltr per 1000miles is still deemed as acceptable, and i dont think this was using loads of oil via rings, it was using more oil pissing it out of the crank seal area.

The engine ran great and no blue smoke and had only done 3000 miles, but the piston ring gaps were on the slacker side of the scale when it was built so the decision was made to strip the engine and check it over/fresh rings, sort out oil leaks, and change spec i.e cams and head work.

Engine on stand ready for stripdown.

Head off showing J.E pistons and Arp head studs.

Pistons out on the bench, for checks and cat cams conrods visible.

Balanced crank.

A new block was selected from his large stock of spares as the current one used was from memory an F4RT grand espace which only had 2 holes for ndo driveshaft bearing carrier which was not ideal.

New block was sent off to the machine shop for preperation.

 

[NorthloopCup]

I remember lots of discussion with Steve about the gearbox as he had to change gear slowly because the synchros couldn’t cope.

 

[Brigsy]

I remember lots of discussion with Steve about the gearbox as he had to change gear slowly because the synchros couldn’t cope.

I think that might be sorted now. Steve had not fitted the spigot bearing in the ttv flywheel it also had an issue with the hydraulic clutch, biting point was always right on the floor. It had what looked to be a dci clutch dampener fitted in the line which had failed, i removed it for a custom line and the biting point is around half way. Helix clutch still feels awful though, looking at twin plate options to fit in winter.

 

[Brigsy]

Next update - Engine refresh

Over 2018 - 2020 Steve refreshed the engine. As the previous post there was not a lot wrong with the previous engine build apart from it pissing oil out of the crank seal and due a cambelt change.

New block was prepared by Amac engineering. Its a meg 250 block to replace the old espace block. Block was checked over, decked, honed and fully cleaned/prepped for fresh build.

Rings were gapped to suit which is pretty painful and time consuming if you have ever done it before.

Crank was installed with new mains/big ends, apparently this was a ballache to get tolerances right and a few sets of oem bearings were ordered until it was right. New oil pump installed at the same time.


Some pics of the head, this turned into an expensive do from memory. Steve bought a used big spec ported 197 head, when arrived turned out to be scrap as all the cam journals were scored badly. A good used standard 197 head was sourced and sent to Amac for porting, fitting supertech valves and general prep. They port matched the inlet ports and dowelled the head to locate the inlet perfectly. Labour cost was eye watering by all accounts.

Cams were chosen to suit from a large selection. 197 inlet and 182 exhaust were chosen this time round.

Head fitted with arp studs.

All the alloy parts were aqua blasted and thoroughly cleaned for the as new raw alloy appearance.

A nice clean fresh build.

 

[Brigsy]

Engine build part 2

Assembly continued. Cam cover sealed with anaerobic sealant from Renault as originally intended.

Note 197 dephaser fitted for full scope of 40degrees of inlet advance available.

Cam timing to stock settings using genuine tooling. Horseshoe fit video as everybody loves a vid of it sliding in perfectly

Manifold was wrapped with expensive Dei titanium wrap over the ceratec coating. This was a great idea but sadly had to remove it, ill come back to that in a future post. Note turbo oil drain tapped for large an adaptor.

New genuine crank seal fitted with MOT 991. The pic below is from when i used it on the Kangoo, its a great bit of kit, makes the job very easy to do.

TTV smf flywheel shown. Spigot bearing fitted to crank as was missed on first build giving gearshift issues.

Turbine housing was also changed from the large 1.06ar twin scroll that was fitted on the old setup. It spooled up quite well on this, around 4.5-5k all in but the power and torque ramped in hard and agressive. Flows really good though.

The decision was made to change to .82ar twin scroll turbine housing. This was for more response in the mid range and hopefully help smooth out the torque delivery with good mapping instead of it all ramping in at once when finally spooling up.


Engine bay was prepped ready for install. Note custom brake lines relocated behind bulkhead.

Engine hung in the bay. Note no gearbox fitted, as at that point a 250 cup pk gearbox was mocked up, which fitted fine but needed a custom gearbox mount making. Meg 175 dci gearbox spider mount and also 250 spider were tested, but engine was way out of level so no good, and with a new mount and new driveshafts required, the decision to go back to a refreshed megane r26 NDO020 gearbox with gripper differential was made. I ended up buying the pk 250 cup box for the Kangoo!

 

[Louis]

Engine build part 2

Assembly continued. Cam cover sealed with anaerobic sealant from Renault as originally intended.View attachment 1604826
Note 197 dephaser fitted for full scope of 40degrees of inlet advance available.View attachment 1604822
Cam timing to stock settings using genuine tooling. Horseshoe fit video as everybody loves a vid of it sliding in perfectly
View attachment 1604828
Manifold was wrapped with expensive Dei titanium wrap over the ceratec coating. This was a great idea but sadly had to remove it, ill come back to that in a future post. Note turbo oil drain tapped for large an adaptor.View attachment 1604823
New genuine crank seal fitted with MOT 991. The pic below is from when i used it on the Kangoo, its a great bit of kit, makes the job very easy to do.View attachment 1604831

TTV smf flywheel shown. Spigot bearing fitted to crank as was missed on first build giving gearshift issues.View attachment 1604824

Turbine housing was also changed from the large 1.06ar twin scroll that was fitted on the old setup. It spooled up quite well on this, around 4.5-5k all in but the power and torque ramped in hard and agressive. Flows really good though.View attachment 1604827

The decision was made to change to .82ar twin scroll turbine housing. This was for more response in the mid range and hopefully help smooth out the torque delivery with good mapping instead of it all ramping in at once when finally spooling up.


Engine bay was prepped ready for install. Note custom brake lines relocated behind bulkhead.View attachment 1604820View attachment 1604821

Engine hung in the bay. Note no gearbox fitted, as at that point a 250 cup pk gearbox was mocked up, which fitted fine but needed a custom gearbox mount making. Meg 175 dci gearbox spider mount and also 250 spider were tested, but engine was way out of level so no good, and with a new mount and new driveshafts required, the decision to go back to a refreshed megane r26 NDO020 gearbox with gripper differential was made. I ended up buying the pk 250 cup box for the Kangoo!View attachment 1604825

Any idea on the lengths of those brake lines mate?

 

[Brigsy]

Any idea on the lengths of those brake lines mate?

Ive no idea sorry mate. I believe they were custom made from a local hydraulics place, theres plenty of room to route them so no need to be knacker on length, add a bit to give you plenty to play with. There is some handy oem fixings in the bulkhead that you can p clip them down so no chance of hitting wiper mech etc.

 

[Brigsy]

2019

Slight diversion but bear with it as it all fits together in the end.

The years of sales. I move the old Kangoo 172 on to a new owner after CSF 2019. Come to the conclusion that it was a nice little thing and quirky but not fast enough. Steve H said to me when i bought it, that i would be bored with the power in no time, and keeps telling me to turbo it and repeating how good T.Turbo is compared to stock n/a.

I did consider turboing it but the thought of stripping all the parts off it that id just fitted and starting again put me off. So get a good offer and off it goes.

No plans to replace it but i go to the Nurburgring Oct 2019 and have a stupid idea of building a mk2 Kangoo compact with megane engine after seeing the van for sale non runner on facebook market place, and the next thing it rocks up on a reco truck with half a diesel engine in the back and half eaten sausage rolls up front November 2019

2020.

2020 comes and im on with building the Kangoo Compact with megane power and the covid bollox is on going so its killing boredom doing the work. Im in need of everything to put it together parts wise so i buy a used forged part assembled meg engine, 250 cup gearbox early 2020 off Steve and end up buying his brother Dave's red r26 to break for parts for it. See the Trophy in Steves garage sat there looking rather barn find. Im down Steves fairly regular raiding the parts stash.

Summer comes and we get an offer on the meg 250 cup. Little bit sad seeing it go, but its a hassle free sale so off it goes.

Dave, Steve and the lads in the group chat have all moved onto hot 1 & 2 m series modern Bmw's and are telling me to stop f**king about with the Renaults and get a reliable and fast as f**k modern Bmw thats capable of everything. They nickname my house the Renault Rescue Centre as im doing the usual and plowing loads of effort, money and time keeping these old Renaults going as per usual

With the Bmw's on the scene and work/life busy, T.Trophy is on the stop. Nothing has been done for ages and Steve's motivation is down and hes loving the tuned m140i he has, so T.Trophy is just sat as per last pic with the engine loosely fitted in the bay.

I briefly flirt with buying a Bmw M2 and thinning out the cars to suit. Decide it will probably be a garage queen so sack the idea off in the end. We dont need any more cars as plenty here as is!!

Late 2020, November iirc. Kangoo compact has the meg engine and running gear in so its looking good but realistically its miles away from a start up. Down to Steve's again for more parts and generally drink all his coffee and do his head in. Pop in the garage and grab the parts needed and look at the Trophy. Its looking sad, half fitted engine, no panels on and interior in a million bits.

I look at the car and i think this has potential to be f**king epic when done but needs a lot of work to put together. So we are talking about it and hes considering options, including putting back to original, which is a massive task as a lot of the oem parts are long gone. Other option is breaking it which would be criminal as the car is one owner with 43k on the clock and albeit in a million pieces, is still in great condition wearing unmarked original paint, and 90% of the parts are there to put it back together.

Seeing the Trophy and remembering what a great car it was when in one piece fires up my enthusiasm about it again. On the flip side, it would be daft or stupid (definitely financially stupid!!) to buy a project whilst ive already got a large project kangoo ongoing thats quite far off actually running.

Next thing we are asking how much would buy the Trophy as is. Its a massive jigsaw puzzle, parts all over the place. We agree a price and Steve is unsure if he wants to sell it as owned it from new, but considering selling it as ultimately its not going back together any time soon.

We shake on it but again nothing is final until its sat on our drive.

Trophy looking quite sad! A fair chunk of cash for a project. Steve repeats to me a few times i have to put it back together myself, no building it up to drive away in his garage but i can get it rolling. He says clear everything all the spares which is a lockups worth which no doubt ill be needing and best of luck rebuilding it as ill need it.

Heads spinning at this point as its totally unplanned..what have i done? Bought a load of work and hassle? Most likely is the honest answer.

 

[Mr Underhill]

2019

Slight diversion but bear with it as it all fits together in the end.

The years of sales. I move the old Kangoo 172 on to a new owner after CSF 2019. Come to the conclusion that it was a nice little thing and quirky but not fast enough. Steve H said to me when i bought it, that i would be bored with the power in no time, and keeps telling me to turbo it and repeating how good T.Turbo is compared to stock n/a.

I did consider turboing it but the thought of stripping all the parts off it that id just fitted and starting again put me off. So get a good offer and off it goes.

No plans to replace it but i go to the Nurburgring Oct 2019 and have a stupid idea of building a mk2 Kangoo compact with megane engine after seeing the van for sale non runner on facebook market place, and the next thing it rocks up on a reco truck with half a diesel engine in the back and half eaten sausage rolls up front November 2019 View attachment 1605096

2020.

2020 comes and im on with building the Kangoo Compact with megane power and the covid bollox is on going so its killing boredom doing the work. Im in need of everything to put it together parts wise so i buy a used forged part assembled meg engine, 250 cup gearbox early 2020 off Steve and end up buying his brother Dave's red r26 to break for parts for it. See the Trophy in Steves garage sat there looking rather barn find. Im down Steves fairly regular raiding the parts stash.

Summer comes and we get an offer on the meg 250 cup. Little bit sad seeing it go, but its a hassle free sale so off it goes.

Dave, Steve and the lads in the group chat have all moved onto hot 1 & 2 m series modern Bmw's and are telling me to stop f**king about with the Renaults and get a reliable and fast as f**k modern Bmw thats capable of everything. They nickname my house the Renault Rescue Centre as im doing the usual and plowing loads of effort, money and time keeping these old Renaults going as per usual

With the Bmw's on the scene and work/life busy, T.Trophy is on the stop. Nothing has been done for ages and Steve's motivation is down and hes loving the tuned m140i he has, so T.Trophy is just sat as per last pic with the engine loosely fitted in the bay.

I briefly flirt with buying a Bmw M2 and thinning out the cars to suit. Decide it will probably be a garage queen so sack the idea off in the end. We dont need any more cars as plenty here as is!!

Late 2020, November iirc. Kangoo compact has the meg engine and running gear in so its looking good but realistically its miles away from a start up. Down to Steve's again for more parts and generally drink all his coffee and do his head in. Pop in the garage and grab the parts needed and look at the Trophy. Its looking sad, half fitted engine, no panels on and interior in a million bits.

I look at the car and i think this has potential to be f**king epic when done but needs a lot of work to put together. So we are talking about it and hes considering options, including putting back to original, which is a massive task as a lot of the oem parts are long gone. Other option is breaking it which would be criminal as the car is one owner with 43k on the clock and albeit in a million pieces, is still in great condition wearing unmarked original paint, and 90% of the parts are there to put it back together.

Seeing the Trophy and remembering what a great car it was when in one piece fires up my enthusiasm about it again. On the flip side, it would be daft or stupid (definitely financially stupid!!) to buy a project whilst ive already got a large project kangoo ongoing thats quite far off actually running.

Next thing we are asking how much would buy the Trophy as is. Its a massive jigsaw puzzle, parts all over the place. We agree a price and Steve is unsure if he wants to sell it as owned it from new, but considering selling it as ultimately its not going back together any time soon.

We shake on it but again nothing is final until its sat on our drive.

Trophy looking quite sad! A fair chunk of cash for a project. Steve repeats to me a few times i have to put it back together myself, no building it up to drive away in his garage but i can get it rolling. He says clear everything all the spares which is a lockups worth which no doubt ill be needing and best of luck rebuilding it as ill need it.

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Heads spinning at this point as its totally unplanned..what have i done? Bought a load of work and hassle? Most likely is the honest answer.

Love a good back story. Looked and sounded great going past Majuba Jon.

I thought I was a nutter taking on 3 Clio Sports projects at the same time, haha, but fair play to you, your cars look ace!

 

[Brigsy]

Love a good back story. Looked and sounded great going past Majuba Jon.

I thought I was a nutter taking on 3 Clio Sports projects at the same time, haha, but fair play to you, your cars look ace!

Cheers Jon. I thought it would be nice to fill in the blanks in the thread before it all gets a bit hazy.

It was indeed a bit of a step taking another large project on whilst building the Kangoo and progress was slow until i got that more or less finished. I think you were the only person to spot us out running the engine in and done several hundred slow miles in it including trips out to Whitby, Croft etc. Stealth bomber 😁