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So today was a bit of a prep day. Got a lot of little bits sorted.
First thing first, Plumbed in brake lines and fitted the hydro handbrake conversion.
Decided to keep the compensator valve in situ due to buying a cheaper bias valve so probably wouldn't reduce braking effort enough.
Was the first time I've made my own lines but I actually enjoyed it. Everything was very easy, apart from a few trips to local shops to find the correct size unions, still awaiting deliver of a 7/6 unf union for the inlet part of the hydro.
Finished off they day fitting the rear axle. I bought new high tensile bolts with a head ontop so that they could be a little bit captive...
Unfortunately I couldnt stretch the budget this month to buy the PMS rear beam strengthen kit and spherical bearing kit - annoying as the rear axle bushes are goosed.
Absolutely love this bit of added value to the standard throttle...
Another job which I don't want to start is wiring in the heated windscreen. I know on my windscreen there are 2 cables coming out of each side, so needing 2 looms. Does this mean 2 relays and 2 switches etc etc? or can you just wire the positives and negative together then run that into 1 relay and 1 switch?
Hopefully the engine mounts will be here tomorrow so I can start on the bigger jobs - subframe, engine etc etc..
Thanks for reading.
First thing first, Plumbed in brake lines and fitted the hydro handbrake conversion.
Decided to keep the compensator valve in situ due to buying a cheaper bias valve so probably wouldn't reduce braking effort enough.
Was the first time I've made my own lines but I actually enjoyed it. Everything was very easy, apart from a few trips to local shops to find the correct size unions, still awaiting deliver of a 7/6 unf union for the inlet part of the hydro.
Finished off they day fitting the rear axle. I bought new high tensile bolts with a head ontop so that they could be a little bit captive...
Unfortunately I couldnt stretch the budget this month to buy the PMS rear beam strengthen kit and spherical bearing kit - annoying as the rear axle bushes are goosed.
Absolutely love this bit of added value to the standard throttle...
Another job which I don't want to start is wiring in the heated windscreen. I know on my windscreen there are 2 cables coming out of each side, so needing 2 looms. Does this mean 2 relays and 2 switches etc etc? or can you just wire the positives and negative together then run that into 1 relay and 1 switch?
Hopefully the engine mounts will be here tomorrow so I can start on the bigger jobs - subframe, engine etc etc..
Thanks for reading.
Ergh very very wet day, but quite a bit done.
The make shift outdoor garage took its toll today, the tarpaulin is ripping so leaks quite a bit but we got through haha
So fitted the PMS wishbones with spherical bearings and strengthening plates.
Had problems getting the the bolts out so made a makeshift press, worked f**king well, I'm proud of myself haha
Fitted my old PMS top mounts, annoyingly to stop the top mounts knocking previously they were ovalled, so this meant fitting the top mounts awkward. Meaning one was fitted straight, and the other pointing at an angle, so basically no chance of me fitting a strut brace hey ho, not a problem for me.
Bonnet had a couple of bolts snapped in the threads in it, so before spending to much time getting them out, I thought I put a few more bonnet pins in and have the bonnet on QR.
Looks cooool if I do say so.
Last job of the day was to fit the subframe and manifold - nice easy job, this the captive nuts are still captive so was nice and simple.
So yeah not a bad day of progress, just weather took the piss, hey ho.
Hopefully sorting some roll centre hubs within the next few days [emoji16] [emoji16] [emoji16]
and just picked up my brembo brackets.
If anyone could share a light at what bolts I need to buy for them, that would be great, also have a look at the brackets themself?
They just don't look right?
Ta
The make shift outdoor garage took its toll today, the tarpaulin is ripping so leaks quite a bit but we got through haha
So fitted the PMS wishbones with spherical bearings and strengthening plates.
Had problems getting the the bolts out so made a makeshift press, worked f**king well, I'm proud of myself haha
Fitted my old PMS top mounts, annoyingly to stop the top mounts knocking previously they were ovalled, so this meant fitting the top mounts awkward. Meaning one was fitted straight, and the other pointing at an angle, so basically no chance of me fitting a strut brace hey ho, not a problem for me.
Bonnet had a couple of bolts snapped in the threads in it, so before spending to much time getting them out, I thought I put a few more bonnet pins in and have the bonnet on QR.
Looks cooool if I do say so.
Last job of the day was to fit the subframe and manifold - nice easy job, this the captive nuts are still captive so was nice and simple.
So yeah not a bad day of progress, just weather took the piss, hey ho.
Hopefully sorting some roll centre hubs within the next few days [emoji16] [emoji16] [emoji16]
and just picked up my brembo brackets.
If anyone could share a light at what bolts I need to buy for them, that would be great, also have a look at the brackets themself?
They just don't look right?
Ta
That material is very thin in places for something like a brake calliper mount.
Yeahh indeed it is, I also can't guage how it will work without a thread on the bracket itself.
Gonna try contact the original person who sold these, as I don't feel happy with em.
Enjoy this thread. Great updates and effort!
Wish I could be arsed to do it myself! Ha ha.
For now I'll keep reading everyone else's projects [emoji14]
Did lol at the fuel tank [emoji41]
Wish I could be arsed to do it myself! Ha ha.
For now I'll keep reading everyone else's projects [emoji14]
Did lol at the fuel tank [emoji41]
Thank you Dan, yeahh somehow I've got quite a lot of motivation for this, considering motivation lacks anywhere else...
Yeah man I wasn't that annoyed was f**king stupid though! haha, hey ho in the end it didn't matter anyway!
That's the cheapest way of doing it.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
If those are some of the brackets that are now available, I think I'll stick to the proper ones I'll be having made. There's zero strength in them whatsoever! There's nothing for the caliper bolts to thread into for a start!!
No mate, these were made ages ago, I did buy blind tbf, and the description of group buy and 197 brackets swayed me over what they actually looked like.
Yep exactly. Nothing ventured nothing gained as that say
First things first, it's probably time to change the title of the thread... so if someone could help me do that, that would be great [emoji3]
this is a cake Saw this at work so decided it had a place in my project thread.
the dash is done
I'm joking it's wedged in place currently, just thought I take a photo of my first trial fit...
I've had to do a lot of cutting of the top and lower dash due to the cage. Not sure how I will actually secure it down.. probably a lot of zip ties to the roll cage dash bar...
Door release sorted, fit very well in that hole.. little zip tie to keep it in place - sorted, eventually I will get some door cards made, then run a pull strap through.
Stated sorting out the heated windscreen wiring, I know this is completely wrong it's just for the picture.
I'm going to run the wires that are connected in the pic and join them at a relay, then earth the other loose ends which also need to be connected to the relay also. Then run a switch on the other part of the relay. Something like that anyway
Put my trashed ph1 tailgate on for the time being to keep the worse of the weather out even under the tarp... I actually quite like it silver. Goes well with everything.
So plans were to swap my stealth and out that on the 182 with a 172 bumper, but I sold the stealth and picking up a ktec 182 system from Ash next week, which works well as I like the 182 rear end better... and sounds good too.
So meaning i need to source a 182 Manifold for the ph1 engine. Which i believe i have.
Tomorrow is machining day, gonna have a look at a better design for my brackets, and need to get some wider seat side mounts made up.
this is a cake Saw this at work so decided it had a place in my project thread.
the dash is done
I'm joking it's wedged in place currently, just thought I take a photo of my first trial fit...
I've had to do a lot of cutting of the top and lower dash due to the cage. Not sure how I will actually secure it down.. probably a lot of zip ties to the roll cage dash bar...
Door release sorted, fit very well in that hole.. little zip tie to keep it in place - sorted, eventually I will get some door cards made, then run a pull strap through.
Stated sorting out the heated windscreen wiring, I know this is completely wrong it's just for the picture.
I'm going to run the wires that are connected in the pic and join them at a relay, then earth the other loose ends which also need to be connected to the relay also. Then run a switch on the other part of the relay. Something like that anyway
Put my trashed ph1 tailgate on for the time being to keep the worse of the weather out even under the tarp... I actually quite like it silver. Goes well with everything.
So plans were to swap my stealth and out that on the 182 with a 172 bumper, but I sold the stealth and picking up a ktec 182 system from Ash next week, which works well as I like the 182 rear end better... and sounds good too.
So meaning i need to source a 182 Manifold for the ph1 engine. Which i believe i have.
Tomorrow is machining day, gonna have a look at a better design for my brackets, and need to get some wider seat side mounts made up.
That cake is f**king disturbing!!!
Yeah i would agree there. Sadly it look very life like to the person it was made for LOL
Also, why th hydro handbrake? I assume it's never going on the road again?
Also? I can't see the other post?
andd it will be road legal yes, to pass the MOT (if that's what you're referring to) I have put a split pin in the handbrake mechanism with disables the ratcheting system, once removed the enables the ratcheting system.
Ah so you're keeping the cables as well?
I will put them in the boot for MOT, the guy I know is usually pretty good for low road mileage cars like mine, as long it's to a good standard, which mine hopefully is.
Your thoughts?
Mines pretty leanient and he wouldn't let that through..
Yeah that's fair enough, The handbrake doesn't get used, and it's always left in gear on my flat drive... and both my mates rally cars are road legal with hydros with MOTs etc. So should be reet
Any other reason other than the fluid loosing pressure as to why it's a no no to your MOT'er?
Having a mechanical backup if you have a line failure?
Yes, the handbrake must be of a mechanical setup. Hydro will be in addition on a rally car. Even the WRC cars have a cable handbrake
ahh I wanna be just like a WRC car lolsYes, the handbrake must be of a mechanical setup. Hydro will be in addition on a rally car. Even the WRC cars have a cable handbrake
I guess it won't hurt to have the cable in there aswell as the hydro... Thanks for your input though, always good to have someone who's knows what they're talking about looking in.
A little update, Picked up some standard non sport headlights for the 182 from Craig, while he's going custom loom I also took the liberty and cut the Ph2 plugs off his engine loom.
Headlights are in great condition, I didn't contemplate going xenons, but they're heavy and expensive - and what's the point on a track car hey. Tempted to do away with the indicator stalks - and run low beam, and indicators off separate relays with switches, maybe.
Used my spare battery to pin point what wires did what on the Ph2 plug, labelled them up.
On the ph1 it's alot easier to know what does what as they're on separate plugs with 1 wire going in and an earth coming out.
Then soldered the wires up, heat shrink etc etc.
What is annoying is soldering the wires up and forgetting to put the heat shrink on before [emoji36] hey ho, I'm learning.
Bonnet pins for the tailgate, not gonna run aerocatches on the tailgate as was such a faf fitting them.
Which means I have a pair for sale, in very good condition, nearly new - £40
Spoilers are sorted sold the silver one, and bought a black gold one.
Tailgate should be here end of next week.
Wider seat mounts are being made currently, and brembo brackets are being bought and sent this week, hopefully.
and the finished product, hopefully it works.
Headlights are in great condition, I didn't contemplate going xenons, but they're heavy and expensive - and what's the point on a track car hey. Tempted to do away with the indicator stalks - and run low beam, and indicators off separate relays with switches, maybe.
Used my spare battery to pin point what wires did what on the Ph2 plug, labelled them up.
On the ph1 it's alot easier to know what does what as they're on separate plugs with 1 wire going in and an earth coming out.
Then soldered the wires up, heat shrink etc etc.
What is annoying is soldering the wires up and forgetting to put the heat shrink on before [emoji36] hey ho, I'm learning.
Bonnet pins for the tailgate, not gonna run aerocatches on the tailgate as was such a faf fitting them.
Which means I have a pair for sale, in very good condition, nearly new - £40
Spoilers are sorted sold the silver one, and bought a black gold one.
Tailgate should be here end of next week.
Wider seat mounts are being made currently, and brembo brackets are being bought and sent this week, hopefully.
and the finished product, hopefully it works.
So day off today meant a few things done.
Still awaiting an engine mount and a gearbox mount from racing flex - which seem to be taking the piss slightly, non fault to the guy who organised bless him, seems to be getting the blame a bit. But hey.
Thanks to the very quick delivery from Chris.
TDs seem to offer the best clearance around. This is with 5mm spacers, but possible could go lower, but not much point really... had to prise off a wheel weight.
But trial fitted and all seems good.
Since the original plans for the shell were to have the steering column welded in, which still is the plan, but for the time being to get the car moving I used some 5mm steel off cuts bolt into the original steering column mounts.
Due to the way it is now mounted it's actually stiffer than the original so win win really. and also 15mm lower.
another note sad news, the ph1 was taken away.
From this...
To this...
well to this...
Another thing I'll grab a photo of tomorrow was some custom side mounts I had made up.
Tomorrow:
• I need to finalise the dash off add some wires from the switches into the loom
• Cut more unnecessary loom out (heater wires etc)
• Zip tie the dash in haha
• Remove the GHAs as they are for sale as hopefully I should be picking up a set of AST'S sometime soon
• Just generally looking at the car scratching my head thinking what to do..
awaiting parts and jobs to do following:
• Black tailgate - fit tailgate pins
• 182 Manifold and exhaust - Fit before engine in
• Engine mounts - as engine goes in.
So yeah thanks again for reading, please if you've got something to so good or bad speak up or just a cheeky like, feels like I'm speaking to myself most of the time haha [emoji22]
Still awaiting an engine mount and a gearbox mount from racing flex - which seem to be taking the piss slightly, non fault to the guy who organised bless him, seems to be getting the blame a bit. But hey.
Thanks to the very quick delivery from Chris.
TDs seem to offer the best clearance around. This is with 5mm spacers, but possible could go lower, but not much point really... had to prise off a wheel weight.
But trial fitted and all seems good.
Since the original plans for the shell were to have the steering column welded in, which still is the plan, but for the time being to get the car moving I used some 5mm steel off cuts bolt into the original steering column mounts.
Due to the way it is now mounted it's actually stiffer than the original so win win really. and also 15mm lower.
another note sad news, the ph1 was taken away.
From this...
To this...
well to this...
Another thing I'll grab a photo of tomorrow was some custom side mounts I had made up.
Tomorrow:
• I need to finalise the dash off add some wires from the switches into the loom
• Cut more unnecessary loom out (heater wires etc)
• Zip tie the dash in haha
• Remove the GHAs as they are for sale as hopefully I should be picking up a set of AST'S sometime soon
• Just generally looking at the car scratching my head thinking what to do..
awaiting parts and jobs to do following:
• Black tailgate - fit tailgate pins
• 182 Manifold and exhaust - Fit before engine in
• Engine mounts - as engine goes in.
So yeah thanks again for reading, please if you've got something to so good or bad speak up or just a cheeky like, feels like I'm speaking to myself most of the time haha [emoji22]
Chambers_RS
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 172 Cup&Leon K1
Keep chatting away mate lol I enjoy reading your thread. :smile:
Looks like your making good progress. How much were the engine mounts you brought and why they taking so long?
Got my engine back the other day and started working on mine again
Looks like your making good progress. How much were the engine mounts you brought and why they taking so long?
Got my engine back the other day and started working on mine again
Thanks bud!
And £140 for motorsport version for both, soo good price, and the owner is in Poland.
I'm hoping they've been delivered to my work so I'll check later on.
Any pics on your thread of it? [emoji16]
So another weekend on the car brings another couple of updates...
In the day Friday I found some time to go collect some custom side mounts, got a local fabrication place to make some sidemounts 25mm wider each side.
After that I excited trial fitted the seat, lot of time faffing drilling holes/aligning and finding a decent seat position.
Following that it was then spending sorting out battery cables and necessary lives and earth's for the heated windscreen and other switches.
Took a lot longer than expected to get the wiring sorted but hey, probably should buy a fire extinguisher before it goes back on asphalt.... [emoji16]
As you can see the interior was getting pretty filthy with tools, dirt and metal fillings.
This was pissing me off, so with the help of my Anna we removed tools and gave the inside a wash!
So after we finished that, i continued again to make more mess by installing the lightweight battery. This is located under the passenger side seat.
The top dash was also installed. I really really hope I don't have to remove it to soon, many zip ties used and bit a ball ache to even get a little bit aligned to the lower dash... but hey its in and stable...
So just a few random, need to get the go pro out to get some better photos...
So the package I thought was my engine mounts was not, yet a smelly fiberglass delivery from Chris at CMC.
So as soon as I got it home I unwrapped it and started painting it silver. I think that's the colour code that's going on with the 182, as the wheels, wingmirrors and bullets are, but im not to fussed really.
But yep no photos as was dark but it is all fitted and sitting pretty ontop of me roof. looks cool, and obviously more important will add some air flow into the cockpit.
Boom!
cheers.
In the day Friday I found some time to go collect some custom side mounts, got a local fabrication place to make some sidemounts 25mm wider each side.
After that I excited trial fitted the seat, lot of time faffing drilling holes/aligning and finding a decent seat position.
Following that it was then spending sorting out battery cables and necessary lives and earth's for the heated windscreen and other switches.
Took a lot longer than expected to get the wiring sorted but hey, probably should buy a fire extinguisher before it goes back on asphalt.... [emoji16]
As you can see the interior was getting pretty filthy with tools, dirt and metal fillings.
This was pissing me off, so with the help of my Anna we removed tools and gave the inside a wash!
So after we finished that, i continued again to make more mess by installing the lightweight battery. This is located under the passenger side seat.
The top dash was also installed. I really really hope I don't have to remove it to soon, many zip ties used and bit a ball ache to even get a little bit aligned to the lower dash... but hey its in and stable...
So just a few random, need to get the go pro out to get some better photos...
So the package I thought was my engine mounts was not, yet a smelly fiberglass delivery from Chris at CMC.
So as soon as I got it home I unwrapped it and started painting it silver. I think that's the colour code that's going on with the 182, as the wheels, wingmirrors and bullets are, but im not to fussed really.
But yep no photos as was dark but it is all fitted and sitting pretty ontop of me roof. looks cool, and obviously more important will add some air flow into the cockpit.
Boom!
cheers.
Looks f**king awesome mate!
Purposefull! Its gonna be awesome when it's done.
Enjoy reading the thread and look forward to the finished job and some pics and vids on track [emoji106] [emoji41]
Purposefull! Its gonna be awesome when it's done.
Enjoy reading the thread and look forward to the finished job and some pics and vids on track [emoji106] [emoji41]
Thank you mate, appreciate the feed back, I've been looking at it for a while like, is this right kinda thing haha...
Hey ho, and yep i really can't wait to get it on track February 27th is the first i think and hopefully i can sneak a local one in beforehand, little disappointed the suspension wont be where i wont it to be, but thats just me haha.
Yep need to sort out go pro mounting, and pissed off i found out that a company do wired remotes for go pro 3s and below but not 4s! (i have a 4) and they're not compatible.
Jekyll
ClioSport Club Member
Excellent work on the new car!
Shame about the ph1 regarding the work that you did, but as you said, silver lining. Problem is, I think half the remaining ph1's suffer from that problem. I'm breaking mine atm but to my amazement it doesn't have any rust whatsoever, inside or out.
Shame about the ph1 regarding the work that you did, but as you said, silver lining. Problem is, I think half the remaining ph1's suffer from that problem. I'm breaking mine atm but to my amazement it doesn't have any rust whatsoever, inside or out.
Yep it is, every time i look at the front end picture above i wish i could still have it as my track car.
I would agree with you there, i believe min was from the water coming in through the bump strips as there was water makes every clip.
ahh thats good/refreshing to hear mate, hopefully the shell has some money in it for you then!
thanks!
Jekyll
ClioSport Club Member
At least you don't have to update your car under your avatar now
LOL - totally forgot about that, sorted!
172, BMW 650i & X5
Hi there, I've a Ph1 172 also and have been thinking of removing PAS and just looping the rack.Rack has been looped, was a good job till I started to bend it into place...
also what do I do with top holes on the rack in this picture where the res lines used to go into?
Removed all the airbag ecu and loom also, and I can't for the lift of me remember where this plug goes?
to do list:
- Finish off loom (mostly tape'ing to go)
- Wire in EPAS, and find a Ph2 squib so that can be finished
- Bleed cup brake system
- Replaced cv boots on both drive shafts
- Fit cambelt, dephaser, water pump, clutch, inner and outer Arb bushes and steering rack bushes
Any advice or problems I should look for?
I imagine you have just looped it, blanked holes and removed the pump, reservoir, lines etc?
Any help or advice much appreciated, cheers...
Hello, yep are you thinking of going epas? or just manual steering?
as I would recommend epas! love it, I've heard of lot of people hating manual also - I think have PAS while in a tank slapper while give you the extra input you need to control it quicker...
but yep, loop the 2 ports in the pic, blocked the remaining ports with tin foil. (they arnt under pressure) so no need for bolts.
and yep removed everything that holds fluid basically.
172, BMW 650i & X5
Cool, my intention was just to loop the rack, go manual and remove components. I'm determined to do a build on a ridiculously tight budget and my best friend so far has been my trusty angle grinder!!!
Here's the toy so far...
Attachments
I should of bought shares in cap head bolts/rivets before you put those windows in
haha, looks good, not a fan of the stickers but its your car and your opinion that matters
172, BMW 650i & X5
They're just 'Jack Screws' pilfered from my brothers builders van!!!
Stickers etc are more for the benefit of my 13 year old who I'm trying to teach the tools to. I call the Clio 'Anti Playstation Device'!!!
Anywhere I can lose weight, particularly from the front is a bonus. Obviously there's an engine draw running pump but would you have any idea of weight savings?
EPAS would appeal but I'll be honest and say I won't spend the money...
I should of bought shares in cap head bolts/rivets before you put those windows in :wink:
haha, looks good, not a fan of the stickers but its your car and your o
Thats fair enough, top dad!
Im gonna go with estimates:
-Pas pump 4kg and piping/resivouir 2kg
but the weight I've saved is probably the weight I've put back in with the pas column the motor is heavy!
172, BMW 650i & X5
Appreciate the info buddy, I currently have aircon removed and just enough of pump left (basterdized) to run the belt. I'm thinking a cup alternator setup with aircon pump and pas system removed. Should be a nice little winter project leaving less weight on the nose...
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