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Adeys F4RT Twingo GT



Coops Mk1

ClioSport Club Member
  Lots of Scrap...
have you removed the outer circlip behind the hub side CV joints? I had same issue on the mk1 with the 172 conversion, 6/7mm free play. two minutes with a mallet and screwdriver to remove out CV and pop that circlip off and gained an extra 5mm and vibrations all gone.

Did that 3 years ago and been fine since, neg 3 degrees, on its arse, slicks, trackdays etc etc.

and FREE ;-) i know you love FREE
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
have you removed the outer circlip behind the hub side CV joints? I had same issue on the mk1 with the 172 conversion, 6/7mm free play. two minutes with a mallet and screwdriver to remove out CV and pop that circlip off and gained an extra 5mm and vibrations all gone.

Did that 3 years ago and been fine since, neg 3 degrees, on its arse, slicks, trackdays etc etc.

and FREE ;-) i know you love FREE

I didn't even know there was one in there, but I will take a look for sure, do you have a pic of what you mean?

Free is good (y) :D
 

Coops Mk1

ClioSport Club Member
  Lots of Scrap...
I didn't even know there was one in there, but I will take a look for sure, do you have a pic of what you mean?

Free is good (y) :D

I haven't mate, don't think i took any. But smack the outer CV off and should be there in middle of the spline if anything like a phase 1 172 shaft
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
so will this allow the spider to sit further into the joint as such then or the spider further down the shaft? I will definitely take a look, I have a few spare shafts in the garage so will see if its on them, and my shaft uses a 172 outer half shaft so should be as you described (y)
 

Martin_172

ClioSport Club Member
Yep you were the closest 👍🏻 I will have a look through the garage and find something you really don't need from my piles of crap 😁 pm me an address
haha im all good, ill take the RESPECT, to some people thats worth more

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Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
So I've done some bad maths and I think I can gain and extra 12mm of plunge by swapping the cup and spider off the GT shafts to the DCI/172 shaft on the drivers side. If someone could agree with me that would be great lol

compared between the 2 the GT cup sits 5mm further on the shaft to start with, it then has a 10/11mm deeper body/engagement. The spiders gears themselves are 6mm bigger so half that difference for max depth.

5mm + 10mm - 3mm = 12mm correct?

Does this sound right, my heads fuzzy today but I think it works? So I just need to get access to a press to remove both cups and put the GT cup back on the DCI inner half shaft.

This would save making and running welded/modified wishbones though I'm not actually that bothered about that as the wider track would be beneficial

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Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
Yep :giggle:, for some reason my head isn't processing that the inner shaft will effectively be a touch shorter after the support bearing and allow more depth/travel for the outer half of the shaft. (too little sleep to much medication :D)
 

Djw John

Scotland - South
ClioSport Area Rep
Just a thought, is it actually going to make a difference?

If you're using that bearing then the distance from bearing to hub won't change.
If you're not using it and it's free to move laterally then it would make a difference.
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
Its on a 2 piece shaft on the drives side same as a later 172/182. Distance from the gearbox to the bearing is fixed by the shaft and bearing carrier on the block. All the movement/slop and articulation is done after the bearing? I need to gain more space/travel after the bearing to the hub. Adding the deeper cup wont change the distance between the bearing and the hub but give more space for the outer shaft to plunge in. The inner shaft will become a touch shorter after the bearing (5mm). If it doesn't work then moving the hubs further away will sort it. My issue is when I add a little bit of camber, under compression the shaft was starting to bottom out in the cup, swapping it out for the one I've measured will give me 12mm more space and hopefully it will no longer bottom out.
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
It does as measured above. Gt inner shaft and dci inner shaft are different lengths so I'll be using the gt cup on the dci shaft 👍🏻bearing carrier will still line up fine
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
Did you not find the circlip to remove as I suggested?

Not looked yet, this is getting done on a spare set of inner shafts so I can do everything in one hit rather than have to keep returning to the job. Well thats the plan anyway
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
that said, it wasn't present on the DCI cv joint I inspected, the spider is bottomed out on the splines already
 

Adeyspec

ClioSport Club Member
  57 Renault Dauphine
My neighbour runs his own Garage so did me a solid and let me come in and use his hydraulic press to build a shaft. Pushed off both the cups/tulips and reassembled the one I wanted in the correct orientation (GT Tulip on the DCI shaft and then the GT spider on the 172 outer shaft) I measured the the current in use shaft fully compressed and did the same for the new setup and its roughly 12mm shorter same as mentioned above. Happy with that, hopefully all is well and I don't need any more "plunge" (y) Just need to get it all aligned and test it down the B roads (y) oh and get 2 new tyres fitted, driving the last 500 miles with the toe out has destroyed these ones 🤦‍♂️


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