Congrats to DanPl6 on cracking 200bhp (rs2 + 197 cams)

[Chip-mk1]

How much would it cost you order that one part to fix the problem?

Its not quite that simple as once its made it cant easily be unmade, would need other parts too as it has to be assembled in a particular order so you would have to remove bossses that are boned in etc to get the spreader plate for the bolts off.

For what it would cost him, and given its only a cosmetic defect, it would be cheaper to sell it secondhand and buy a new one I suspect as eve nwith a cosmetic defect I think it would still sell.

 

[aucky]

Wetsanding/polishing mostly sorts it but only the top flat surface is accessable for that.

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Results are consistent too



My Map isn't finished and its running a tiny bit lean in the top end so may even see 1 or 2 more BHP

 

[Aydon182]

Even if you wanna talk peak figures ,I've never seen cams make 200bhp either without being complimented by bodies, the torque may not be as peak as cams but seems every way you look at it cams don't compete, except on price of course, cams are like half the price of this manifold circa £1000? Which actually is a big factor, similar gains, half the price. So I'd still be tempted to go cams.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Nice one Mike, good to have a printout from Surrey as I know thats a set of rollers I trust.

Much nicer printouts to read than the one at Dan's place too



Might be worth starting a new cleaner thread to show the comparison when charlies had a chance to run you off a graph with before and after on it

 

[gez 172]

I'm glad I have close to 200hp as standard.

 

[aucky]

Sure about that?

On a recent RR day one mk3 matched me and the rest had less power.
(Reading 187bhp on the day)

 

[cupkiller]

Turbo owners must love these threads..
"how much..?? For how much??". Lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

Turbo owners must love these threads..
"how much..?? For how much??". Lol

Even though I love my turbo clio, I still really like the way our rs2 one drives.

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Turbo owners must love these threads..
"how much..?? For how much??". Lol

Me and chip are both turbo owners?

 

[Tim.]

Results are consistent too

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My Map isn't finished and its running a tiny bit lean in the top end so may even see 1 or 2 more BHP

Good to see the RS2 application working successfully yet again Mike, nice results.

Really looking forward to taking it off your hands

 

[Chip-mk1]

Here is a picture showing the spacer I used to increase my plenum volume on my Williams engine:

 

[aucky]

Is that clearance as tight as it looks on the photo?

 

[Aydon182]

Hope you got some solid mounts on that chip lol

 

[Luke.]

What's gains did you get from increasing plenum volume alone? Or did you do other complimenting modifications aswell?

 

[Jay_Kay]

(chips williams engine)
Is that much of an improvement over standard inlet?
Looks to be smaller than standard inlet for internal volume. Only gain I can see is the single throttle body and the fact its got trumpets.

 

[aucky]

(chips williams engine)
Is that much of an improvement over standard inlet?
Looks to be smaller than standard inlet for internal volume. Only gain I can see is the single throttle body and the fact its got trumpets.

Where?

 

[Jay_Kay]

Small ones but still there neverless.

 

[Aydon182]

It's not trumpets its an "RS2 like" design manifold

 

[aucky]

X-ray vision

It's not trumpets its an "RS2 like" design manifold

The RS2 has mini carbon trumpets inside the plenum as well.

 

[sprintcup]

To the OP great result, your happy forget the negative quotes, it's how it drives that counts, would be good to have a go in one of these cars to compare tbh.

Regards Russ.......

 

[Chip-mk1]

What's gains did you get from increasing plenum volume alone? Or did you do other complimenting modifications aswell?

Changed too many things at once to get meaningful figures off each one. Costs too much money to keep renting rollers for each individual change sadly.
But I know from other stuff I've been involved with that if plenum volume is too small it limits peak power, and if trumpets length is too short it restricts torque.

 

[Nick172Cup]

Adding 50mm extensions to the runner length made mine go from this...

To this...

With no additional mapping etc. So a 3.5bhp peak gain but the best bit was it gave me pretty much 10 lb/ft of torque gain.

 

[aucky]

I remember chatting to a drift car driver (EDC I think it was) said he felt a massive improvement with his plenum spacer (350Z)

 

[yeecup]

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[yeecup]

Care to comment? Just the rs2 seems to lose torque even more so on the other thread which is down on standard? Ok it drops off at 6k. Does everyone else have blinkers on?

 

[couzens]

Give it a rest and f**k off mate, you're boring the internet.

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Care to comment? Just the rs2 seems to lose torque even more so on the other thread which is down on standard? Ok it drops off at 6k. Does everyone else have blinkers on?

If you really can't see where the gains are after all the explanations, just except the fact your not clever enough to understand engines, how the make power, the relation between torque, RPM and BHP.

Just leave it to people who do!

 

[yeecup]

Cool reply. No comment on the facts though.

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Cool reply. No comment on the facts though.

You don't understand the facts! Even after 18pages of explanation.

 

[yeecup]

I do, I just don't wear Carbon tinted spectacles

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

I do, I just don't wear Carbon tinted spectacles

Explain why these cams are so good then, with the standard inlet.

 

[yeecup]

190bhp and peak 164lb Which only dips below 150lb at 4k and again at 7k.

 

[imprezaworks]

This is quite a good read tbh

 

[Mar172]

Yeecup why do you knock people who try to improve there cars I don't under stand ?

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

190bhp and peak 164lb Which only dips below 150lb at 4k and again at 7k.

We must be looking at a different graph! The graph I'm looking at tails below 150lb at 6.6k which on an engine that can easily rev another 1000rpm more than that is disappointing. Especially on track!

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

I don't want to rev my engine harder and make less!

 

[yeecup]

My mistake 6600rpm not 7krpm. Splitting heirs tbh

 

[yeecup]

I don't want to have to rev the nuts off my engine. It makes 14lb more at 4k !!!!

 

[yeecup]

Yeecup why do you knock people who try to improve there cars I don't under stand ?

Iv spent thousands on improving my cars for the last 20 years, I'm stating my point of view that's all. If u don't like it fair enough