Congrats to DanPl6 on cracking 200bhp (rs2 + 197 cams)

[yeecup]

yep, say anything that goes against the grain on cliosport and your a troll. iirc the bucket mod gives the same level of torque. just saying.

 

[-J-]

I love these threads, those with experience of a products, those with technical knowledge and then those who clearly have no clue.

Blah blah blah, RS2's are crap etc ect.

Just for comparison for those who are interested, standard 172cup run over laid with same car with RS2 on same rollers.

 

[Chip-mk1]

yep, say anything that goes against the grain on cliosport and your a troll. iirc the bucket mod gives the same level of torque. just saying.

IF you are so limited in your understanding of engines and the importance of where torque is made that your tiny little brain can see ONLY the peak figure and hence your brain simply cant understand things like the mechanical advantages gained through the gearbox by being able to hold onto that torque for longer up the rev range, then the reality for your tiny little mind to have to accept is that I personally with the help of a 4 foot bar, MASSIVELY outperform an F4R on 438 cams mate

 

[Dan@SJM]

any proof they didnt go bust? anyone got access to their accounts? answer me this, if the rs2 is/was such a good product why has no other company decided to continue to produce it? i mean surely if it was that good somebody would be snapping up the rights to sell it? maybe i should go on dragons den with it, explain how for a mere £1500 you can strap a magical inlet with an open cone filter stuck on the end of it and you will hold more torque throughout the rev range, completely transforming your little clio into the car it should always have been. the evidence? well we have some graphs on cliosport and some guru who calls himself chip than can back it up, and a handful of gullible jokers with too much money to spare cause they still live at home with mummy who say its great and transformed the car, can i have your investment now please dragons??

I think really your missing the point? It's about getting useable power, more to how it drives than OMG it's fast. For instance at combe, your generally dropping off the power in third for the esses and bobbies, or pinging off the limiter in second. Sure you could stop this with a different gearbox(6 speed would be ideal tbh)

So, You don't like the RS2, but for the money (the whole thing has cost me less than £1400) It has improved (not transformed) how the car drives for how I use it? No one is twisting your arm to buy one? So don't if you believe its a waste of money. Personally, I am happy with what I have spent to see the gains I have. Sure I could've fitted 438's, but they're £650(ish) Plus belts, Plus mapping, plus a loss of economy below 4k as its not as efficient, which is where I drive my car mostly. Its easier to drive on a day-to-day basis that a Cammed car(Having owned several of them)

 

[yeecup]

sorry was that a threat? hello? moderators??

 

[Budgie]

I see no threat...

 

[-J-]

I see no threat...

I think it's the feeling of his IQ being threatened rather than a physical threat

 

[Nick172Cup]

I see no threat...

The only threat to this guy, is himself.

 

[yeecup]

then the reality for your tiny little mind to have to accept is that I personally with the help of a 4 foot bar, MASSIVELY outperform an F4R on 438 cams mate

 

[not normal dan]

then the reality for your tiny little mind to have to accept is that I personally with the help of a 4 foot bar, MASSIVELY outperform an F4R on 438 cams mate

Look at a torque wrench, see how it has the values ft/lb aswell as nm. What he is saying from what I can see is how he can produce more torque when hanging off a 4 foot bar, wheres the threat?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yeecup, my sincere apologies if you felt scared and threatened mate, I thought my reply was genuinely idiotproof, but I have totally misunderstood your level of idiocy, you WAY outperform any previous idiot I have encountered on here.


Just to clear up confusion though.

Me + a 4 foot bar = capable of generating 300lbft of torque, so getting on for double the torque that any 438 N/A clio is ever going to make.

 

[LIL B]

Friday thread!!
:cheers:

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

then the reality for your tiny little mind to have to accept is that I personally with the help of a 4 foot bar, MASSIVELY outperform an F4R on 438 cams mate

You don't even know what torque is do you!

This is PRICELESS!

FLOL you think that's a threat. Do you have like 0 understanding of anything mechanical!

 

[Laine_16v]

Sounds like me an Yeecup would get on well.

Only thing im going to say is, its nice to hit the goal that you want. I've had 4 clios and around 10 different engine configurations in total, none of them ever hit the power targets i wanted (apart from the turbo), so when you do, it certainly makes it worthwhile to the owner

 

[not normal dan]

You don't even know what torque is do you!

This is PRICELESS!

FLOL you think that's a threat. Do you have like 0 understanding of anything mechanical!

Tbh after seeing a few of his posts in other threads concerning rs2's, 197 cams or that have bin started of contributed by chip he seems to have some sort of personal vendetta either against chip or the products themsleves.

Ever heard of the old saying "nothing nice to say, then don't say nothing at all" everyone is entitled to express the opinion but I don't even think your doing that, just trying to cause some sort of trouble by looks o things!

 

[Chip-mk1]

You don't even know what torque is do you!

EXACTLY!

He literally hasnt a f*cking clue what it is, or what it does, he just knows that more is better cause topgear told him so I think.

This is PRICELESS!

I am genuinely amazed anyone of such limited inteligence has managed to connect to the internet and then manage to type replies etc, shows how useable modern internet enabled mobile devices and computers actually are!


FLOL you think that's a threat. Do you have like 0 understanding of anything mechanical![/QUOTE]

 

[Sir_Dave]

sorry was that a threat? hello? moderators??

FLOL, priceless levels of stupidity!!!

Cliosport is now officially at the same level of mong as Saxperience & 106owners.

 

[Toastfrenzy]

Just read this from the start - not read any real life comparisons....there are a lot of differences between the RS2 and 438 cams (I'm putting myself in this camp...yes really) but they both perform more or less the same out on track\in a race - now, I haven't driven an RS2 car but have raced alongside a CUP equipped with said RS2 for a fair amount of time at Mallory. Video in my thread. There is a weight difference between mine and the other Cup - windows for one -maybe 20-30KGs difference total. We were pretty evenly matched entry - mid corner and exit but I did have an edge once the foot was on the floor.

I know mine can get bogged down if you let the revs drop and I'm sure the RS2 has some negatives but you just drive to exact the most out of what you've got as otherwise what is the point? You know what happens when, so you learn not to do it....

Why did I buy cams - came down to £'s and pence - they are the far cheaper option for a good power upgrade if your belts are due - not so if your belts aren't due.

RS2 - is\was 1500 -2k new IIRC....but re-sellable - cams are too but at the expense of a set of belts etc...

and no, I'm still not getting ITB's either....

 

[Chip-mk1]

Sounds like me an Yeecup would get on well.

Possibly mate, he is doing exactly what you did after all, lust after 438 cams purely for the peak torque figure.

So maybe when he gets them then just like you he will realise that having cams doesnt change the fact that the F4R will still suffer massive peakiness if used with the standard inlet manifold.
So all you have done really is only improved the bit the clio engine is already not bad at anyway (peak torque) but does nothing to solve the actual problem (lack of torque spread).

Thats the thing, to me the RS2 or a set of throttle bodies is solving the problem, the horrible peaky delivery, if you dont think that is a problem then its not for you, but why on earth you would want to campaign to stop others solving that problem on there car is genuinely beyond me, I just cant see the logic in it at all, if people want to fix that problem on their car, why would you or yeecup not want to let them do so?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Tbh after seeing a few of his posts in other threads concerning rs2's, 197 cams or that have bin started of contributed by chip he seems to have some sort of personal vendetta either against chip or the products themsleves.

Im still going with the theory he was subjected to a traumatic experience as a child by an uncle with the initals JMS, the level of insane passion and commitment he has when ranting about a product he's no doubt never even experienced is very indicative of something very emotionally damaging at a young age which is he is being dragged back to.

Ever heard of the old saying "nothing nice to say, then don't say nothing at all" everyone is entitled to express the opinion but I don't even think your doing that, just trying to cause some sort of trouble by looks o things!

I disagree, I think people should feel free to say the truth whether its nice or not, but he doesnt actually seem to have ANYTHING to say, its all just noise with no actual point to make other than for some reason he wont explain he doesnt like a particular product.

 

[not normal dan]

Im still going with the theory he was subjected to a traumatic experience as a child by an uncle with the initals JMS, the level of insane passion and commitment he has when ranting about a product he's no doubt never even experienced is very indicative of something very emotionally damaging at a young age which is he is being dragged back to.

pmsl, saw this earlier an had to have a little chuckle!

I disagree, I think people should feel free to say the truth whether its nice or not, but he doesnt actually seem to have ANYTHING to say, its all just noise with no actual point to make other than for some reason he wont explain he doesnt like a particular product.

Yeah agree there, maybe I could have expressed that better. The point I was trying to make is the fact he has no real ammunition, just that the peak torque figure hasn't increased massivily but he is clearly missing the point about the spread of torque across the rev range, an of course the fact that Danlp6 has set out to reach a goal an got there an produced a more powerful an less peaky clio!

 

[Russ_16v]

Speechless. Just speechless.

 

[aucky]

WOW.

 

[Dan]

FLOL, priceless levels of stupidity!!!

Cliosport is now officially at the same level of mong as Saxperience & 106owners.

wow pal think about what you saying there!

I think we need a few more idiots to reach them lows lol

 

[McGherkin]

Brilliant.

 

[Tony Hunter]

FK me! I've been busy all day and leave you lot alone, and look what happens.

3 pages of giggles.

I have said before, I've driven a car (Nicks) without knowing what was under the bonnet, and assumed it had itb's, was shocked when told it was just a RS2.

yeecup, you are talking crap I'm afraid.

 

[sam JFM]

Am i right is thinking that..

What you really want is MORE torque for longer?

Not just a high torque figure at one point that then drops away quickly.

 

[Laine_16v]

What you really want is MORE torque for longer?

i think that is the goal of 99% of car tuning products out there. RS2 isnt one of them though.

 

[sam JFM]

It is if it holds onto the torque for longer?

 

[aucky]

Laine prefers to hit a high peak troll, instead of area under the troll.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Am i right is thinking that..

What you really want is MORE torque for longer?

Not just a high torque figure at one point that then drops away quickly.

Yes you want the torque to be increased for as much of the rev range as possible.

In the case of the RS2, it specifically raises the torque at the points its normally worst at.

Laine and yeecup are obsessed with just the peak figure, they kind of forget then when driving your car you invariably (especially on track) use more of the rev range than just the 800rpm or so the standard inlet is great at.

Personally I would like as much torque as possible at every point in the rev range of course, so increases at the point it makes good torque anyway like you get with say 438s and standard inlet are something I would welcome over a standard car, but to me even more important than getting even better at the thing it already does well, is to correct this problem it has where its rubbish at the top and bottom of the rev range, and thats what an RS2 does.

Its ironic that Laine is STILL banging on about peak torque, when IIRC he fitted 438s and then it was the fact it was so peaky that made him want to go turbo instead?

 

[Laine_16v]

Im not banging on about anything chip i've purposefully not posted! (much)

Id happily post something, but id get shot down and called a troll and a CS delinquent e.t.c So i just sat and watched this time . Besides like you say i've not driven one so i cant write anything with any meat behind it...

 

[Flat Eric]

Love this thread

I want an RS2!

 

[Chris205]

Never read so much s**t in my life.

1. Chip, shorten your replies they take ages to read
2. Buy a turbo if you want big torque
3. Before you buy either try your best to go out in both cars 'cammed' and 'RS2'd'. It's all down to personal driving style, if you want something that needs less effort to extract its potential buy an RS2, if you enjoy thrashing your car and want to be rewarded for doing so, buy/fit cams.


To the OP, great figures and well done for hitting them.

 

[cupkiller]

Can't believe everyone's sucking each others dicks over 200bhp.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Before and after Graph for an RS2 car:

Can you just point out to me Yeecup/Laine_16v the points at which you feel its now worse than it was before he changed the inlet, cause to me, it looks like its better the entire rev range?
So thats MORE TORQUE at EVERY single engine speed, and yet apparently this product doesnt work according to you guys?

I just dont understand how anyone looking at something as very clear as that graph can possibly have any doubt if it works or not?

 

[cupkiller]

That graph could be photo-shopped.

 

[Chip-mk1]

That graph could be photo-shopped.

Blimey talk about clutching at straws!

It could have been photoshopped yes, but it wasnt.
If you want proof, pop down to Surrey Rolling Road and ask Charlie nicely and Im sure he will print you off your own copy, he keeps them all on file lol

 

[v16daf]

That graph could be photo-shopped.

Lol. Your unbelievable !

 

[Jay_Kay]

That graph reminds me of an f7r, kinda the same style inlet tbf.