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Odyssey ph1 172 pure track car. No tax discs here........



Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
elcie said:
Ahh was hoping for a decent updated. Not to find it's being broken! :(

Keep the sell unless you offered decent money for it, everything else can be replaced with out loosing to much.


All the best with the house.
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Hello mate!
I know unfortunately so but like you say, the main thing is the shell will be kept and can come back to popping bits back on it here and there over a longer space of time.
 
Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
After much thought and relationship break up I WILL finish this bloody car and it will (hopefully) be completed in time for me to drive to Germany at the end of May.

So I can report that the bulkhead has been filled in where the roll cage passes through, the seat mounting bars are in and welded, the steering column bars/bracing is starting tomorrow along with the gearstick being moved back and a single wiper conversion thanks to a Citroen AX which took me a week to find one!
In the meantime I have painted my engine (which is MWM's old one that I picked up last week)

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This is on 50k with a new cambelt and depahser, ARP rod bolts and 438 cams so hoping to hit near the 200bhp mark. The flywheel will be lightened soon and the inlets are currently with Neil Roper being ported.
Luckily the parts I did sell aren't essential like ITB's and Rotrex so with the parts I still have I can build a decent car...I hope!

Realistically I have 10 weeks :S
 

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Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
Certainly mate! Only thing is you will have to fit it outside.....garage is full (literally) with clio parts and our living room furniture whilst we decorate :(


I will get it clear soon
 
Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
dmallett said:
I can wait :p

Whens paint happening?
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As soon as the shell is back so within 2 weeks, fingers crossed next sat! I will then spend the evening prepping the interior and under the bonnet and masking up so come the weekend I can spray it! I am really not looking forward to painting. Then I need the engine, gearbox and fuel tank to go back in so I can lay the loom out and make a start on that. Another job that I loath. Any competent volunteers? ;)
 
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2Damnsly Andy

  Clio 172
dmallett said:
Out of one flamer into another! the heart of mine lives on :)
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It's your old engine Dan? Excellent I'm looking forward to getting it and seeing how it goes. I've got matched inlets and getting the a/c deleted so hope to see a power hike over my standard PH1 engine.
 
dmallett

dmallett

Sure is, its literally only done 2k since the belts/cams were fitted :eek: engine has done 76,963 miles iirc.

That will be similar to mine then, just stick a decent filter on it too and youll be well away! also cheapest way to get a cammed engine :)

Take it your getting it mapped to your ecu?
 
Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
Was running 185 with 172 manifold and a sport cat. I believe that with a long induction setup, 182 manifold and a decent 2.5" free flowing exhaust you will see around 190
 
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2Damnsly Andy

  Clio 172
Looking forward to getting it Rhys. I'm off the first week in April so will look to collect it then. Hope to speak to Fred and see if he can get it fitted then as well as I have a trackday at Cadwell on that Saturday.
 
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JackD

Good news! Looking forward to seeing you finish this project, will be worth all the effort and money when you get to drive the finished article!
 
Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172

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DannyR

DannyR

  182, SQ7, Trafic
Those screws don't look man enough for the seats. You need some high tensile ones in there.
 
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Kenny.s

  Audi A6 & 172 Cup
Looking good mate, few bits look familiar ;)

The last time I looked all cap head bolts where at least 8.8 tensile so those bolts should be strong enough, iirc MSA regs only call for 8.8 tensile as a minimum, you can chose to go higher if you want obviously.
One thing I would do though, i'm sure your probably going to do this anyway, but they need some heavy gauge washers/spreaders, especially as your using ally brackets.

The seat mounts looks like it's quite close to the cage?
 
Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
The seat is close because I marked it up wrong! doh! They can still work though but a stupid mistake

Cut the guts out of my bootlid today. Not too worried about this as it won't be on the car long until it's replaced with a fibreglass one.

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Rhys Beal

  ph1 172

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Kenny.s

  Audi A6 & 172 Cup
Point worth noting, when I first did my steering column I used a single UJ, it looked and felt like it was working fine but, the steering output was far from linear.
I set up a protractor on the end of the column and turned the column through 20deg increments, measuring how far the rack extended each time, there was a pretty sizeable variation in the movement of the rack, was something like 3-4mm difference for each 20deg step. I've now fitted a double UJ and the rack movement is as linear as I can measure, within 0.5mm, ie not worth even talking about.

Extract from a Woodward steering technical reference document:

3. Universal joint operating angles:​
Shaft and u-joint angularity is critically important in acheiving precise steering. While the servo, the rack, and the u-joints will all handle themechanical stress of poor shaft layout, that is not really the issue. The driver’s turning of the steering wheel, no matter how smooth, is translated by theu-joint operating angle into a twice-per-revolution acceleration and deceleration cycle. The greater the operating angle, the worse the variation inrotational velocity, until at some extreme angle a perfectly uniform rotation of the wheel will merely cause a start-and-stop rotation at the far end of theshaft. It will, incidentally, be virtually impossible to turn during part of its rotation, which is how the problem shows up on a manual steering race car.Power steering does nothing whatsoever to ameliorate this condition except make the wheel easier to turn. It will not cure the nonlinear steering inputdescribed above.Evidence of nonlinear input, in a pavement car equipped with power steering, shows up frequently as a push which suddenly becomes a spin withless warning that you would expect, and leads you to blame the tires. You can partly compensate for this problem at the race track by jacking the car upand determining at what points the steering motion accelerates. Unfasten the shaft at the rack and rotate it so as to retime these points with respect tothe arc of movement of your steering wheel. This won’t cure the problem, but will certainly identify it. If you normally turn the wheel through less than​
180 degrees you may be able to retime the sticking points mostly out of your way
 
Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
I have checked and it isn't mounted low enough to upset anything to make it move. Ideally I would like it a little lower but the uj limits this. Thank you for your concern though Kenny :)

I have been busy this bank holiday weekend.
Started on Friday like this

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Masked it up Friday night

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Saturday afternoon it was back home ready for bits to go back on. I have then spent half on Sunday and all of today on it. Not a huge amount of progress but I managed to gut the insides of the front doors and tailgate. They are now back on along with all the polycarb windows and the windscreen, wiper motor, fuel tank and lines, pedal box and master cylinder, steering column and a couple of other bits. Also has new rear discs, pads, braided lines and 5mm spacers on. Front had new discs on it when I bought it so they remain but some new DS3000 pads went in along with braided lines and 25mm spacers.

Also changed the sump on the engine and fitted my sexy flywheel and clutch.

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How it sits currently.

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Hopefully Wednesday my copper nickel brake pipe will arrive along with my bias valve so I can fit that then the engine can go in ready for the loom to be done.
 

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Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
Thanks Sonny. You have reminded me, I had a quick measure up today and my seat bars aren't wide enough for Pole Position's which I am gutted about. Going to buy Motordrive seats as they are the same width as the Revolution's that you now have!
 
Rhys Beal

Rhys Beal

  ph1 172
Bought a set of them for £14 :)

Yeah I missed out on some last week but I can get some new ones for £590 which will then have 5 years on them so will do that.
 
sonny172cup

sonny172cup

Rhys Beal said:
Thanks Sonny. You have reminded me, I had a quick measure up today and my seat bars aren't wide enough for Pole Position's which I am gutted about. Going to buy Motordrive seats as they are the same width as the Revolution's that you now have!
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Fair one, I measured them up today and the poles are about 20/30mm wider, but they did fit with the SD cage. BTW What side mounts did you use for the buckets I now have, as my Recaro side mounts dont fit, Im looking at ordering the correct side mounts, cant be faffed messing about cutting up old side mounts.
 
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