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Are you planning on fitting the cage yourself or you gonna get one of the guys from work to do it?
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I've changed to the safety devices group buy so its a bolt in, i think ill get it fitted and the feet tacked in place, then get the guys in the unit next to us to weld them in for me.
7R
Sweet 
Is the 8th a trackscotland or kh day?
Thanks, it started as a cheap track toy, but i've got pretty serious and don't mind spending the cash if i know i'm getting my monies worth.
I would like to get the car in a position ready to race one day.
KH day, on their website.
Mm maybe get my track rods done and do it. Need to do my track days early this year!
Yes mate it is, hence why I'm getting it, spending a little more to save a lot of time and hassle! The group buy I think is closed, but if your quick go and find it and speak to Dan who was doing it, I know someone else added in to it yesterday
Its a bolt in cage, it's just the feet mounts that need welding in.
Rubicon_
ClioSport Club Member
Track weapon! Bigger brakes should be on that list
Why when I all ready out brake most things
172 cup, Impreza P1
Does it not need welded platforms rather than just feet. If it is MSA approved then it will need plate mounting points and not just welded to the floor.
The cage from safety devices would come with all the required platforms/feet I would of thought. I was just thinking even though it's a bolt in cage the platforms/feet would still need to be welded in by an approved installer to be MSA approved. Theirs a list on the safety devices site of approved installers btw.
http://www.safetydevices.com/motorsport/installer-selector/?s=true&country=united+kingdom®ion=
This is the list. Not sure if it has to be one these who install though.
This is the list. Not sure if it has to be one these who install though.
Rubicon_
ClioSport Club Member
I said feet mounts aka platforms
Tbh I'm not sure, I'm not stupid, I know the effectiveness of the cage is down to how well it's installed. I'll have a look into it but can't say I've ever seen anything about the mounts having to be welded in. Worst case I'll get a test piece done and approved, like you can do with weld ins. Thanks for your concern though!
Pretty sure you were asking for my Wilwoods a couple of month back
I know, but I'm a tight caaaaahnt
172 Cup (Track)
Theres no such thing as an MSA approved welder, read the regs- it just has to be done with full penetration (whys that funny?) and generally good welding, no DIY bird s**t welds.
Its something thats been debated a lot as the cage is only as good as the welding holding it together!
For a bolt in, it needs base plates of certain size and thickness and certain tensile bolts. All which will come with your cage.
EDIT: From the MSA rollcage regs;
1.3.8. Guidance on Welding. All welding should be of
the highest possible quality with full penetration and
preferably using a gas shielded arc. Although good
external appearance of a weld does not necessarily
guarantee its quality, poor looking welds are never a sign
of good workmanship. When using heat-treated steel the
instructions of the manufacturer must be followed
(special electrodes, gas protected welding). It must be
emphasised that the use of heat-treated or medium
carbon steels may cause problems and that bad
fabrication may result in a decrease in strength (caused
by brittle heat-affected zones) or inadequate ductility.
Its something thats been debated a lot as the cage is only as good as the welding holding it together!
For a bolt in, it needs base plates of certain size and thickness and certain tensile bolts. All which will come with your cage.
EDIT: From the MSA rollcage regs;
1.3.8. Guidance on Welding. All welding should be of
the highest possible quality with full penetration and
preferably using a gas shielded arc. Although good
external appearance of a weld does not necessarily
guarantee its quality, poor looking welds are never a sign
of good workmanship. When using heat-treated steel the
instructions of the manufacturer must be followed
(special electrodes, gas protected welding). It must be
emphasised that the use of heat-treated or medium
carbon steels may cause problems and that bad
fabrication may result in a decrease in strength (caused
by brittle heat-affected zones) or inadequate ductility.
rctempire
ClioSport Moderator
Getting on now then
Long list that Fraz, sure youll get it sorted
Long list that Fraz, sure youll get it sorted
rctempire
ClioSport Moderator
I hope to yes.
Well I got the wishbones off to find these
Standard procedure really so spoke to powerflex...
New black series! Will be fitted along with new ball joints, no longer taking new wishbones as there's no point really!
Also started stripping out the interior and removed that standard gear set up
Standard procedure really so spoke to powerflex...
New black series! Will be fitted along with new ball joints, no longer taking new wishbones as there's no point really!
Also started stripping out the interior and removed that standard gear set up
172 Cup (Track)
Is that an offset metal insert in the bush? So camber is increased? Need to get some of them at some point as Clios are shocking for those bushes wearing.
What you planning for gearstick setup? Whats plans inside? Doorcards off i presume for cage, polycarb windows or that?
What you planning for gearstick setup? Whats plans inside? Doorcards off i presume for cage, polycarb windows or that?
Nah they are the old design, and the new ones are just standard aswell, the camber adjustable ones are extortionate!
I have a pure motorsport kit there, want to get the cage in before I fit it though!
Ye I have flat door cards there, still to order Polycarbs but getting them too!
172 Cup (Track)
Aye after i wrote that i checked Powerflex website and seen the adjustable camber ones- £240!! Oft.
Metal insert inside yours looked like it was set for adding camber, but now i see it bigger on my laptop (was on Iphone), the hole that looked offset is just the hole from the other bush that you can see through the bush youve pictured.. Lol
What kind of doorcards you got? Ill be making some from ABS plastic!
ACW Motorsport Plastics were best i could find for windows, ill let you know how they are when they come. £200 for front pair, rear pair, drivers slider and a fitting kit.
Metal insert inside yours looked like it was set for adding camber, but now i see it bigger on my laptop (was on Iphone), the hole that looked offset is just the hole from the other bush that you can see through the bush youve pictured.. Lol
What kind of doorcards you got? Ill be making some from ABS plastic!
ACW Motorsport Plastics were best i could find for windows, ill let you know how they are when they come. £200 for front pair, rear pair, drivers slider and a fitting kit.
Ye £240 is ridiculous, not needed you can get enough camber with bolts so that will do.
Door cards I got in the group on here, just a black plastic material.
I'm only buying front windows, no need for the back just yet, I'm going to get them from ACW aswell! Have you all ready bought yours?
I have now, purely snipped after the obd, before the airbag ecu, then wrapped each wire in tape then wrapped them all together and cable tied up under the dash.
I'm going to remove the floor bars and get weld in seat mounts next!
172 Cup (Track)
Yeh crazy extra money over normal polybushes. My car already has lots of camber but havent stripped yet to see whats giving it!
I ordered the windows about a week ago, hopefully get them next week.
Best run a wire back to the handbrake Fraz or the stop/brake light will be on all the time.
Btw do you have a cup brake pipe for mc to drivers front? Not sure if I've lost it or if I didn't get it when I got the others, was so long ago and it's the only one we can't find!
Btw do you have a cup brake pipe for mc to drivers front? Not sure if I've lost it or if I didn't get it when I got the others, was so long ago and it's the only one we can't find!
Mines was staying on constantly when it was plugged in, so wasn't plugged in all last year, it's now been cut!
Nah that was a small one, everything should be there, I'll double check the garage at my mum and dads but everything should of been there!
Fair enough.
Aye, tiny! I'm gonna take a few things out the shed in case it's fallen but we can't find it down the garage. That'd be grand cheers
Aye, tiny! I'm gonna take a few things out the shed in case it's fallen but we can't find it down the garage. That'd be grand cheers
172 Cup (Track)
Disconnect wire and light goes out, it gets earthed to switch it on.
Ahhh that makes sense.
