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gudger12345
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Ph1 172
Re: Ph1 172
Where did you get your radiator from mate??
Where did you get your radiator from mate??
Re: Ph1 172
No problem Scott! Saves me typing lol. The spec list is on page 7 iirc although it's changed a little now.
Chi, Tom bought the car standard.
He then had the cylinder head ported by Andrew @ ALD in Leeds who also fitted Supertec valves.
Tom's got the Piper cams and a 182 exhaust manifold with a free flow cat
Thats the RR graph that you can see.
(Sorry Tom to go on)
No problem Scott! Saves me typing lol. The spec list is on page 7 iirc although it's changed a little now.
A shed
Re: Ph1 172
Interested to see the flanges you get made to improve the length! Im after making some up myself, but for now have just fitted the bodies with the stock 60mm trumpets
Interested to see the flanges you get made to improve the length! Im after making some up myself, but for now have just fitted the bodies with the stock 60mm trumpets
Re: Ph1 172
They do a matting that you glue on, we used it on the Aston Racer car with no problems.
Think we used to buy it from Merlin Motorsport though.
Like this.
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/heat-shielding-protection/mocal-heat-resisting-cloth
Car looking good Tom, engine bay could do with a clean though.
Oh im looking forward to hearing this, you must pop up a video when its running again.
They do a matting that you glue on, we used it on the Aston Racer car with no problems.
Think we used to buy it from Merlin Motorsport though.
Like this.
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/heat-shielding-protection/mocal-heat-resisting-cloth
Car looking good Tom, engine bay could do with a clean though.
Oh im looking forward to hearing this, you must pop up a video when its running again.
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This the stuff, seems the normal one is 0.7mm thick and this is 1.6mm thick.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=151162194406
This the stuff, seems the normal one is 0.7mm thick and this is 1.6mm thick.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=151162194406
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The 1.6mm stuff on DT is only £18.58 + Vat and is made by Mocal.
I think we had to use a special heat resistant glue.
The 1.6mm stuff on DT is only £18.58 + Vat and is made by Mocal.
I think we had to use a special heat resistant glue.
Re: Ph1 172
Well it's alive and I've set the idle, don't know what to though as the rev counter isn't working need to work that out.
Everything else is fine, oil cooler, radiator etc. Seems a little lean but it is only a base map and it's a little more modified than the map is for. Besides, I haven't fitted the 4 bar fuel reg yet.
Well it's alive and I've set the idle, don't know what to though as the rev counter isn't working
need to work that out.Everything else is fine, oil cooler, radiator etc. Seems a little lean but it is only a base map and it's a little more modified than the map is for. Besides, I haven't fitted the 4 bar fuel reg yet.
Re: Ph1 172
My friend had a present for me today!
Different thickness rear spacers to try out to see what's best with no added camber as I've got 1.8 degrees each side with the standard beam.
Aaaand
Some flange!
So should get everything in place this weekend
My friend had a present for me today!
Different thickness rear spacers to try out to see what's best with no added camber as I've got 1.8 degrees each side with the standard beam.
Aaaand
Some flange!
So should get everything in place this weekend
Re: Ph1 172
Trimmed all the hoses to suit and got it all fitted up this evening. Total inlet length from the valve head to end of the trumpet is 380mm I'm running equivalent to 130mm trumpets now with the 180mm DTH bodies.
Had to trim the inside of the bonnet slightly. I've got the all important clearance between the bonnet-filter and the filter-trumpets sorted, plus the trumpets angle directly toward the gap between the bonnet and grille.
The radius is a nice smooth transition into the bodies so shouldn't impact performance at all and the angle is only 35 degrees.
Don't know how accurate this is related to runner length. Hopefully I'll get the 3rd and 4th harmonics to help with torque when the engine comes on cam and hold to roughly where it should make peak power. I'll find out in just over 5 weeks!
Input length is 15 inches
For 2nd harmonic, RPM range is from 7832 to 9504 with a pulse strength of 10 percent
For 3rd harmonic, RPM range is from 5885 to 6725 with a pulse strength of 7 percent
For 4th harmonic, RPM range is from 4588 to 5131 with a pulse strength of 4 percent
Trimmed all the hoses to suit and got it all fitted up this evening. Total inlet length from the valve head to end of the trumpet is 380mm
I'm running equivalent to 130mm trumpets now with the 180mm DTH bodies.Had to trim the inside of the bonnet slightly. I've got the all important clearance between the bonnet-filter and the filter-trumpets sorted, plus the trumpets angle directly toward the gap between the bonnet and grille.
The radius is a nice smooth transition into the bodies so shouldn't impact performance at all and the angle is only 35 degrees.
Don't know how accurate this is related to runner length. Hopefully I'll get the 3rd and 4th harmonics to help with torque when the engine comes on cam and hold to roughly where it should make peak power. I'll find out in just over 5 weeks!
Input length is 15 inches
For 2nd harmonic, RPM range is from 7832 to 9504 with a pulse strength of 10 percent
For 3rd harmonic, RPM range is from 5885 to 6725 with a pulse strength of 7 percent
For 4th harmonic, RPM range is from 4588 to 5131 with a pulse strength of 4 percent
Re: Ph1 172
There isn't step. It's a 48mm OD and 45mm ID flange with a 45mm ID hose, its clamped on the ends of the flange so it pushes the hose flush with the flange
That was a thought of mine for a later date now I'm happy with how it site, but only to tidy it up and not to smooth out the flow because there won't be an issue (must be how it looks in the photos).
There isn't step. It's a 48mm OD and 45mm ID flange with a 45mm ID hose, its clamped on the ends of the flange so it pushes the hose flush with the flange
That was a thought of mine for a later date now I'm happy with how it site, but only to tidy it up and not to smooth out the flow because there won't be an issue (must be how it looks in the photos).
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No I mean the flanges sit inside the hose so there is a 3mm step in the bore according to your measurements given where the flange stops, the hose is and then the other flange starts. There will be a turbulence at this point as its acting like a reverse Venturi. I build mixers at work which rely on this principle for turbulence which is good for them but not what your looking for here
You can suck it and see how you get on. An intercooler piping bend with the same ID would be better no?
No I mean the flanges sit inside the hose so there is a 3mm step in the bore according to your measurements given where the flange stops, the hose is and then the other flange starts. There will be a turbulence at this point as its acting like a reverse Venturi. I build mixers at work which rely on this principle for turbulence which is good for them but not what your looking for here
You can suck it and see how you get on. An intercooler piping bend with the same ID would be better no?
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Both the flanges and hose are 45mm ID, with the clamps on there's no step.
No I mean the flanges sit inside the hose so there is a 3mm step in the bore according to your measurements given where the flange stops, the hose is and then the other flange starts. There will be a turbulence at this point as its acting like a reverse Venturi. I build mixers at work which rely on this principle for turbulence which is good for them but not what your looking for here
You can suck it and see how you get on. An intercooler piping bend with the same ID would be better no?
Both the flanges and hose are 45mm ID, with the clamps on there's no step.
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Based on this... http://www.emeraldm3d.com/articles/dec2012/ it shouldn't be an issue, especially as I've done the clamps as tight as possible to squash the silicon over the lip.
The extra 70mm length should more than make up for anything.
Based on this... http://www.emeraldm3d.com/articles/dec2012/ it shouldn't be an issue, especially as I've done the clamps as tight as possible to squash the silicon over the lip.
The extra 70mm length should more than make up for anything.
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You should be alright with the extra length as you say but he does mention
"This is not an air flow issue; you can see how that looks on the Fiesta test elsewhere in these pages. I believe it is the curve taking the edge off the intake pulse and so marginally reducing the effect"
Emerald have some cracking bloggs, interesting about the speak of air boxes gaining power on some cars, I know Burpspeed ran a reviere (so) airbox to start with that strangled their car. That has probably been the mapping though from what I have read recently.
You should be alright with the extra length as you say but he does mention
"This is not an air flow issue; you can see how that looks on the Fiesta test elsewhere in these pages. I believe it is the curve taking the edge off the intake pulse and so marginally reducing the effect"
Emerald have some cracking bloggs, interesting about the speak of air boxes gaining power on some cars, I know Burpspeed ran a reviere (so) airbox to start with that strangled their car. That has probably been the mapping though from what I have read recently.
