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Gaz.'s 1996 Mazda RX7 FD3S Efini (JDM & Rotary Content)



I don't have the time to dedicate to cars really anyway. When you're working 12 days solid a fortnight, doing a set of days, then nights and repeating it for the next 6 months you find time is a valuable commodity.

The whole reason I didn't get the Nissan welded up was the same. The plan was buy something that I could do a few bits to and just enjoy on my few days off I get. This hasn't even ticked that box since I bought it!

The only problem is my taste in cars dictates they're all old and most likely to be money pits lol.
 
  A ANIMAL
No thanks. Mate has a DC5, best Vtec I've driven (also driven an EP3 and FN2) but it's not for me.

850R T5 in BTCC spec?

No you are talking


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MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
I fitted my 99spec rc shell to my drift rc car... Was running fine before... Fit the shell and blew up the motor and speed controller.... Rx7's are bad luck :( looks cool though

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MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
Most rx7's with a rebuild come with a warrantee so if the engine blows it's replaced... We offer one on our engines... You could have a used engine with high 7's to 8 bar in compression, and it sell cheap but you won't get any more on a brand new engine, you could buy one with high 6's and need to rebuild it... Same as a piston engine you could have low compression and need to rebuild it....

Not many engines come close to a rotary performance, closest for me is a ls v8 but then you are looking 6k+ for a crate engine and more than a rx7 for a full rebuild on a rotary vs v8 scale...

The fact is you tried to bring me in to something by making a comment saying I said a rotary engine is as reliable as a piston engine but gaz is proving me wrong.... His problems aren't to do with the rotary it's to do with ignition....so ur comment was wrong.

I have had my rx7 the same amount of time I had my 200sx... The 200 I blew 2 engines, 3 gear boxes, 2 turbo's and a diff. I drive my rx7 the same way running nearly double the amount of power and have blown one engine in the same amount of time. Therefore my rx7 is more reliable than my 200sx.

I win you lose.
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
Lol!!! Baby it? Like I said I drive it the same as my 200... I bet I drive it harder than you drive ur car...

How are we taking money off people lol none of the rotaries we have built have gone bang in over 12 months...

Why do you feel the need to comment on something you clearly know piss all about?

As far as reliability goes, james wilday drove his rx7 with a rotary in as his road car last year and was in the hks drag series... He didn't blow one engine... Many boxes yes but he was running 9 sec 1/4 miles pretty much all year... This year he is running 8's and it's still his street car... Not blown up either. 1/4 mile in 8 seconds over 160mph driven there and driven home... Not reliable at all.
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
He used the same engine lol, I know james personally, I know his engine builder personally, I know the guy who ported his engine personally, I know the guy who mapped his car personally... He blew no engines he blew god knows how many gear boxes... I don't make money building rotaries, I work for a company that builds them we build all engines both of us know rotary engines...

Do you have any personal experience with rotary engines?! Like I said show me a piston engine that is turbo revs to 9k puts out 280 bhp direct from the factory, you can't... It didn't happen unless you maybe look at rally car engines... Even the they are meant to be rebuilt every 10-20k no piston engine does what a rotary engine does... From the way you talk you know nothing about rotaries just what you have been told or read.

You are making comments you can't back up, I'm giving you proof of rotaries being completely fine and for the power and output of them there isn't a piston engine that produces the same.
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
We should actually do a poll on here asking Ppl what they think is a more reliable powerplant...

Maybe snap u out of whatever fantasy land or planet ur on....

I said they were as reliable if treated correctly... If a rotary engine has perfect cooling, perfect fuelling and perfect ignition.... They are as reliable producing more power than a piston engine and revving higher... You are taking what I said out of context.

I love piston engines but to build an engine I would be happy with with the power I want it would be more than a rotary would and would be just as fragile... Would love a twin turbo ls6 but I'm looking at 20k+ not including fitting it.
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
Sorry gaz,will let you know tomorrow about them bits will check the unit.
 
  A ANIMAL
Jeebus Christ....

Do we need to remind Fraser of the 787B??

And i quote:

"Although the 787 and 787B lacked the single lap pace of World Championship competitors such as Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, and Porsche, as well Japanese Championship competitors Nissan and Toyota, the Mazdas had reliability which allowed them to contend for their respective championships. The reliability of the cars eventually paid off in 1991 when a 787B driven by Johnny Herbert, Volker Weidler, and Bertrand Gachot went on to victory in the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans."
 
  FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
I dont want to get involved in this debate but ive always read that normal rotary engines only last around 70k(ish) before they need a rebuild of some sort.I dont see many RX7's on a standard first engine on 150k like a bmw say.?
I think thats the reliability bit people are attaching to the rotary engine.That part i think is well known,however like malice says with the right upgrades and cooling they can run much higher power and last much longer.There is too much bad press attached to one part of the rotary engine which more often than not is down to driver error/lack of care in running down/warming up.
 
  Fiesta ST Stage 3
Am i right in thinking that the rotary engine needs more care tho .

Like in the RX8 i think that you cant start the engine and then turn it off or this floods the engine ???
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
Am i right in thinking that the rotary engine needs more care tho .

Like in the RX8 i think that you cant start the engine and then turn it off or this floods the engine ???


To a point it's correct, they need more care yes, you can turn them on and off easily, you just rev the engine to 2-3k turn ignition of and floor the accelerator, that blows unburnt fuel out stopping flooding...

Seem to be seeing a lot of dead rx8's recently and nearly all of them is due to oil starvation, people just don't check oil levels and don't top them up, rotary engines take oil from the sump and inject it as part of the combustion process... Just like a 2 stroke engine which effectively they are, people don't realise or understand this or think its some sort of problem which it's not lol but they aren't hard to look after :) saw an rx8 on 98k miles on its first engine the other week, oil starvation killed a rear bearing taking out a rotor, housing and plate... You can buy a blown rx8 for under a grand rebuild it for 1500-2k and sell it on for 1-2k profit...
 
  Fiesta ST Stage 3
Good information there .

I take it they get a bad rap as people who know nothing about cars / engines dont check / look after them with the oil and correct running .

The price of the RX8 is shocking at the moment a lot of car for the money

To a point it's correct, they need more care yes, you can turn them on and off easily, you just rev the engine to 2-3k turn ignition of and floor the accelerator, that blows unburnt fuel out stopping flooding...

Seem to be seeing a lot of dead rx8's recently and nearly all of them is due to oil starvation, people just don't check oil levels and don't top them up, rotary engines take oil from the sump and inject it as part of the combustion process... Just like a 2 stroke engine which effectively they are, people don't realise or understand this or think its some sort of problem which it's not lol but they aren't hard to look after :) saw an rx8 on 98k miles on its first engine the other week, oil starvation killed a rear bearing taking out a rotor, housing and plate... You can buy a blown rx8 for under a grand rebuild it for 1500-2k and sell it on for 1-2k profit...
 

Christopher

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  Z4M
Shut up, Fraser. You're just arguing for the sake of it.

Stop regurgitating Internet scaremongering and take in what people are saying.
 

_Tom

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Shut up, Fraser. You're just arguing for the sake of it.

Stop regurgitating Internet scaremongering and take in what people are saying.

+1 What does Malice know hey..lol!

Keep your head up Gaz. Although its got be very frustrating, you still have the makings of a very good car. I hope its all sorted for you soon and you forget these teething problems. :)
 

Christopher

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  Z4M
Yeah, definitely. Stick with it Gaz.

It might be something really stupid that you've missed; once that's sorted you've got a rare, gorgeous machine with proper wheels.

You could be parping about in it comes the summertime. The alternative is far worse dude.
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
LOL, love the clowns this thread is bringing out. I've got some more coils and an ignitor on the way. Hopefully that fixes it, f**k buying a new wiring loom.

from experience (which clearly means f**k all to some people) the fact it got worse with the power fc leads me to think its the coils... either that or a broken coil loom, which is only about 10" long, if thats the case i got one here you can have for free, as for the speaker bits i had a look (brief look i had a v8 swinging off a crane lol) and couldn't see any in the garage but we have 2 other lockups to check which i should be going to tomorrow... if not i know of some i can get for you from a mate.

been doing something fun to mine today :)

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MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
good eyes brizzol ;) electric and heated ones :) and a complete and i mean COMPLETE b*****d to fit!
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
goes with the black paint and red carpet well though, i would of loved all black but tbh they are massively more comfy than the fd seats and were free ;)
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
yeh sorry gaz :) rob any idea where my build thread went?? i can't find it :(
 

MaLicE

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  Lazy v8
Figured RX8 seats would fit, was eyeing some up when I first bought the frigging thing. Looks smart.

Oh they fit... But not easily! Need soooo much modding lol, trust me get the manual ones not electric ones as u really don't want to see what mess it made in my car when the wire I had bodges so I could move it backwards and forwards pinched on the rail, shorting out turning the wire in to a red hot wire cutter and basically melted in to the rear seat setting it on fire :( now need new rear seats:( absolutely gutted :(
 


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