I used some rtv silicon on the canister fitting and ptfe tap around the brake booster fittingHow did you sort them just so i can make sure its right before i bolt it on?
True for the money it isn't great quality as there are things that need to be sorted out, but if your a hands on person it really isn't hard!Needs to be mapped. How anyone can say it's crap power wise as a bolt on? But all things being equal the product isn't great, sadly
Again too trueAnd if your not, sadly it's a pain.
At £850 plus fitting I would have expected it to be pretty straight forward
CheersNo other way round.
Because it should be running very lean if it's made a massive difference. Even with wild cams, I can't see these making a genuine 195 let alone 200.Needs to be mapped. How anyone can say it's crap power wise as a bolt on? But all things being equal the product isn't great, sadly
If the car was slightly rich before and still slightly rich after fitting the manifold so it's making no difference at all?I'll explain simply why, just for those who haven't a clue why I'm saying what I am.
Say the engines got just the usual induction kit, matched inlets and exhaust. You map it for around 12.7:1 AFR. (12.7 parts air to 1 fuel) you've now added this inlet. Let's say for arguments sake, it's now 12.1:1. This means you've lost 5% of your air flow at the given load site. This now means you've lost power, you may well gain a bit back by leaning it out but it won't be producing more. Simple really, you need more fuel to produce
a bigger bang. If you can't get the air in, you can't produce the power.
Why couldn't it of been running at say 12.0:1 AFR, and now runs 12.5:1 AFR? It's been leaned out but would still run rich...It hasn't increased the air flow though. Otherwise it would be running lean.
That's exactly what mike said to me, I just can't see this inlet flowing less than the OEM setupDoesnt it depend how rich it was and is running. Changing the inlet wont do anything but increase the airflow so there still could be a chance it needs leaning out so as to get a better mixture?
Mike at Mikeanics said if he had the software and was able to map it, he's sure it would making a little bit more power
Cheers, i think soWhen you get cams and map I'm sure you will be smiling mate
It will be done at engine dynamics when the cams are fitted, it will eventually go back to mikes in the end to see the true gainsAre you taking it to be mapped somewhere else then? If you are you'll have to go back to this place after to get an accurate comparison.
Iam no engine tuner, but there is a chance the car could have been and is still quite a bit overfueled so although the airflow has no doubt been increased its not enough to counteract the overfueling. Also the air sensors have been relocated into a different shaped inlet/plenum as these also affect the fueling ( correct me if iam wrong) there could be an issue with those. Personaly iam replacing mine as they are pretty dirty with oil.
I think the problem is that we would have bought the RS2 inlet but the guy isnt answering emails on the website so it looks like its not happening. And i hardly think we bought cheap! It looked a good product from the pictures and you can see a lot of work has gone into it with the cnc machining. I still think it well made apart from the obvious flaws that have been pointed out. Iam sure the first person who bought an rs2 for over a grand had to take a leap of faith. But if everone played it safe nobody would develop these products and nothing would be made for our cars. K am just going to fit it now and hopefully it will give me some improvements if not so be it.IMO, if you bought this with no proven results, claims, promises etc. It's a bit unfair to be chasing for your money back. You all took the risk and it didn't pay off, if you wanted tried/tested you should've paid the extra and waited for a 2nd hand rs2 to come up for sale. Seems to be you all wanted the cheap(er) version if it was just as good but not happy to accept that the gamble didn't pay off & you've been left with something not as good as the original (even at a cheaper price!)
I can't imagine K-Tec would entertain a refund if the induction kit didn't return 10-12bhp as claimed!
Yes, it's a lot of money, but for a £200 saving on a £1000 item, was it really worth a risk? Whenever I'm spending upwards of £500 on anything I make sure I'm buying the best thing I can for my money, I'd rather have an expensive version of something that works than a cheaper version that doesn't.... Buy cheap, buy twice!
Wolstanton mate@Hatto where in stoke are you? Wouldn't mind a look at yours :smile:
I think the points Oggy were making was that the RS2 was comprehensively tried and tested within the UK on a number of cars before being offered on the market. It was a proven product.I think the problem is that we would have bought the RS2 inlet but the guy isnt answering emails on the website so it looks like its not happening. And i hardly think we bought cheap! It looked a good product from the pictures and you can see a lot of work has gone into it with the cnc machining. I still think it well made apart from the obvious flaws that have been pointed out. Iam sure the first person who bought an rs2 for over a grand had to take a leap of faith. But if everone played it safe nobody would develop these products and nothing would be made for our cars. K am just going to fit it now and hopefully it will give me some improvements if not so be it.
why?Would be nice if the maker and seller cliosportap would respond,but i guess he wont.