The still not sure what to build build thread

[Brushwood69]

So I have posted asking for ideas but time and circumstances has over taken me!
I normally race an Audi TT with 340bhp

but recently during an event the new hybrid turbo blew and I'm having it replaced. However I compete in the ASWMC Hillclimb & sprint rounds and had a sprint at Treloy nr Newquay. I had only bought my Clio the week before on a whim and was going to sell on but without a car I press ganged the Clio into service!

few weeks later I then had to press gang it again in a Hillclimb nr St Austell. A very short hill but very tricky especially when the track is wet and greasy as it was and me used to the comfort of 4WD!

I swapped the steering wheel for a spare OMP one and I think I messed the steering angle sensor. Does that cup have that? and if it does how do I reset it? The result quite a few lock ups on the stock T1Rs!

So this build thread will or should document choices, failures, crashes and successes. I think it will be a gradual transformation from road going sprint/hillclimb car through sports libre to rally car.

So I need to put a cage in but which one?
Safety Devices, Custom Cages or OMP it has to be MSA
Diff, M Sport, Gripper or Quaife?
Wheel size 15 or 16?
Tyres will be Maxsport RB5 for now. Engine will be stock. Then suspension and braking.

Hoping for advise, ideas and a lively discussion.

 

[shiftspark]

15" for tyres as it will help with gearing. Gripper with lower FD as a plate diff is miles better then a quaife.

 

[Brushwood69]

What about M Sport from pure?

 

[shiftspark]

No idea on the M Sport but Pure know what their doing.

 

[Ads29]

Following with intereat as I'm hoping to progress to hillclimbing/sprinting next year.

I went for a safety devices cage from Mark Fish, took advantage of one of the group buys, option 4 with the extra mount points on b pillars and tunnel, can always send some photos if you like

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[Brushwood69]

can always send some photos if you like

Yes get them posted up here for all to see if you can. TA

 

[Ads29]

Ok so most of these are from when we installed the cage, hence cable ties holding various pieces in place

If you look closely you can see the centre pick up point on the tunnel in what was the rear footwell

Again extra pick ups on b pillars

And finally door x bars too

As mentioned earlier this started off as a 6 point bolt in Safety Devices R017 (I think) roll cage, and has had extra b pillar brackets and a tunnel brace fitted, so now is 9 point.

These extra brackets are designed and fitted from factory and are an optional extra.

I ordered it through one of Mark Fish's group buys and I couldn't be more impressed with the service and quality of the cage, yes there cheaper cages out there but personally I rate safety devices highly so opted for this

Hopefully it's of some help

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[Brushwood69]

I looked at that one but was confused by the statement on the website "Please note this roll cage is for track day use only." any Ideas? I need an MSA approved cage

 

[Ads29]

It's definetely MSA spec, I've got a feeling it's FIA too, I'll have a look when I get home and grab a photo of the I.D. plate on the cage

 

[JB21]

M factory diff, seems pretty reasonable price wise.

 

[JamesBryan]

Gripper diff if it's for competition use.

I'm getting the Quaife for road and a couple of track days a year.

Had a look at the MFactory but im still unsure.

 

[Ads29]

As I thought mate FIA approved as well as MSA

 

[Jenesaisqoui]

So I have posted asking for ideas but time and circumstances has over taken me!
I normally race an Audi TT with 340bhp

but recently during an event the new hybrid turbo blew and I'm having it replaced. However I compete in the ASWMC Hillclimb & sprint rounds and had a sprint at Treloy nr Newquay. I had only bought my Clio the week before on a whim and was going to sell on but without a car I press ganged the Clio into service!

few weeks later I then had to press gang it again in a Hillclimb nr St Austell. A very short hill but very tricky especially when the track is wet and greasy as it was and me used to the comfort of 4WD!

I swapped the steering wheel for a spare OMP one and I think I messed the steering angle sensor. Does that cup have that? and if it does how do I reset it? The result quite a few lock ups on the stock T1Rs!

So this build thread will or should document choices, failures, crashes and successes. I think it will be a gradual transformation from road going sprint/hillclimb car through sports libre to rally car.

So I need to put a cage in but which one?
Safety Devices, Custom Cages or OMP it has to be MSA
Diff, M Sport, Gripper or Quaife?
Wheel size 15 or 16?
Tyres will be Maxsport RB5 for now. Engine will be stock. Then suspension and braking.

Hoping for advise, ideas and a lively discussion.

Saw this advertised locally on Gumtree a few weeks back, also happened to see you coming down the A30 the other evening. You decided to keep it?

 

[Brushwood69]

Saw this advertised locally on Gumtree a few weeks back, also happened to see you coming down the A30 the other evening. You decided to keep it?

Yours for the right price still!

 

[Brushwood69]

As I thought mate FIA approved as well as MSAView attachment 166674

Great news as this was the one I was looking at without having to hack the dash apart

 

[Jenesaisqoui]

Yours for the right price still!

Looks lovely, but I already have one in that exact spec. Wouldn't mind the wheels though

 

[Brushwood69]

Just found this image I took at the Somerset Stages a couple of years ago! Dont see that many Clio's out rallying so seeing so many on here either done or about to be done is great.
Dont know anything about the day does anyone?

 

[Kyle beresford]

Is this the one I've seen on the a30 near summercourt in the morning (I'm in the 182 trophy)?

 

[Brushwood69]

@Kyle beresford which car do you mean the Rally car or mine?

 

[Kyle beresford]

Your racing blue 182

 

[Brushwood69]

OK, So it's going to be a rally car! I'ts booked into ARM motorsport in Cornwall to get a full MSA cage welded in. A question to put to the experts on here is what do you do with the Alarm & the motion sensors? Do these need to be coded out? any ideas what to do with this little lot?

 

[Brushwood69]

A bit of an update to strip this thing down and a couple of questions!
There is a black box thing by the handbrake and one by the drivers door which I assume are the lat/long abs sensors Yes/No?
The silver box/module behind the gearshift I'm assuming is the Airbag control module OK to remove Yes/No?

This is the pile of crap you get when stripping the interior

This is the start of the project properly

I will update more once the cage is in!

 

[Ads29]

Airbag module will be fine to come out, although the warningblamp and the serv lamp will be on permanently.

I assume the others you've mentioned will be to do with abs/esp. I don't have these so I can't say whether or no they can be removed unfortunately

 

[20vKarlos]

I shall keep an eye on this!

Don't forget that the MSA approval on cages has changed recently so make sure you get a cage that has the new A pillar design :up:

 

[Brushwood69]

Don't forget that the MSA approval on cages has changed recently so make sure you get a cage that has the new A pillar design

Cheers mate yes the new cage is a full custom cages one that meets the new regs and comes with the certificate for the log book.

Airbag module will be fine to come out, although the warning lamp and the serv lamp will be on permanently

Cheers just what I thought but always best to check. I have the RSturner to turn off airbag stuff as I'm running an omp wheel etc.

Can the ABS/TC be turned off in the ecu/mapped out? What do people do with ABS on track day cars on here?

 

[Ads29]

I've kept my abs for now, only really noticed it trying to kick in on a very wet day at Combe, I do have plans to remove it completely and run a bias valve but I've got other priorities first

 

[Brushwood69]

Started stripping out the sound deadening what a S**T job but glad I'm doing it. I decided to document each area.
First patch is the bit in the boot 773g

Second bit

Behind each seat 604g so 1.208kg

The bits in each rear side section 318g for both sides
I also started the roof and that is a crap job will update with the weights as and when!

 

[Brushwood69]

A small update. The custom cages cage has gone in along with some extra gussets and the car is now without flex!

Couldn't get to open doors to get better pics this time as a gearbox on a pallet was in the way. Flocked dash going back in this week then the plexi glass and the foamex door cards front and rear. Then Seats/Harness and extinguishers etc.

 

[Brushwood69]

Some more bits aquired and going in the car soon. RRS 3" 6 point harnesses and RRS dished steering wheel. Carbon rear wiper blanking plate and some tow and door straps as the door cards will be fitted and require a method of grabbing.

 

[martin w]

i have the same harnesses lol

 

[MarkT]

Subscribed. Like this build!

 

[MarkT]

Also, what are the maxsport RB 5 tyres like? I had some a long time ago and they were good, but they were remolds. Is it still the case and would they be worth a punt as a trackday tyre?

 

[m177ens]

Following with interest.
Differential wise, I would go for a Quaife. A Gripper differential will lose pre-load over time and will need servicing.

 

[Brushwood69]

@MarkT the RB5s are still remoulds but they are a very good tyre but i use a soft compound which would wear out far too quick on track so you would need look at the harder compounds and they are very noisey! One negative is wet weather you need to get then cut for wet weather as they move around on standing water and offer little or no traction. @m177ens I'm probably going mfactory via @puremotorsport as I'm only 30miles from Nick.

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[MarkT]

I remember they were bloody noisy at speed, but god they had some grip! My real concern was the fact they're remoulds. I'd take wets and drys on a trackday.

 

[Brushwood69]

A small update on the rally car build in a bit but was away at the weekend at the 3 counties stage rally at Smeatharpe in Devon. Way too hot for rallying but still a great day with everything competing from a Fiesta R5+ down to a Rover 216S!. We had issues with a rad fan wired in wrong and blowing heat into the engine bay and we believe over heated some sort of seal on the new dog box causing an oil leak from gearbox onto clutch and game over!

So to my car. More progress on the side. After a seat fitting we could agree on the locations for extinguishers etc. Poly windows all in. Diff & Gearbox ordered from Nick @pure-motorsport due here at end of month fingers crossed. So just cartek kill switch, fuelsampling kit and mudguards and I think we are very close.

 

[GrahamV182]

Looks very good. Love the cage. Has the TT gone to a new home yet?

What size wheels are you going for? 17 inch?
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[Brushwood69]

Hi @GrahamV182 yes the TT has gone and then most of money has to gone to Nick @pure-motorsport !! (well a lot!) ordered new box and diff along with sump guard and race shifter. Once this lot is on I will focus on engine. Hoping to get car out for Portreath sprint in modified or that weird class where they put stuff nobody is sure about as it wont be fully rally by then.

 

[GrahamV182]

It would fit nicely into modified production rather than 'sports libre' . Don't forget you need a HANS device for Mod Prod or Libre. Let me know if you want to borrow one ... I have a Schroth medium in storage.

What wheels and tyres will you have on for Portreath?

 

[Brushwood69]

Agreed about modified but not light enough I don't think compared to a friends 205 and not powerful enough to get anywhere near Dougie Bennetts mental 600bhp sylva! Thanks for the offer of the HANS but have one for co-driving this

and this

And to wheels I have these Team Dynamics but still not sure on tyres ??? need to last 100miles for TSH rally but also be soft enough for a sprint/hillclimb so may need 2 sets + wets but a spare set (ouch gets expensive).....